Name this PV?? Does this PV exist?? Recommendation Please!!

[ScottinSoCal]

The only thing I'd add to all this is that photos can be deceiving when you're looking at e-cigs. I recently got both a ProVari and a GLV2 Mini - they're both custom built units, one variable voltage, so I can dial the power up or down to get more heat and vapor, or less, the other fixed voltage, but more than an eGo. From the pictures I imagined something about the size of a pipe bomb that I would never be able to get past airport security. When I got them, I was surprised to find how small and light they are. The GLV2 Mini went to my sister. It looks and feels nothing like a cigarette, and she likes that. I ordered it in a deep blue/purple color, she carries it with her everywhere, and she can go two days on a single charge. It's about the size of a Bic lighter. My sister is a 5'2" blond who wears a size 2, and she couldn't be happier with it. My ProVari is a little longer, but no bigger around. It's a more industrial look (machined stainless steel) but also comparatively light and easy to carry. It has more features, but she wants simple and fun and I want gadgets and fun. With all the choices out there, we both win.

 

[reachedmylimit]

For what it's worth (very little I suspect), for 35 years I smoked More Reds, 120s the same physical size as your Capris. But, I'm not female. Nonetheless, I carried five different PVs to work one day and held them in my hand for several female co-workers to see. They unanimously chose the eGo as the best looking device in the group, which included several smaller devices.

Nice to see you're getting a lot of responses. Folks here at ECF are eager to help, great bunch. It's good you found your way here before you bought some kind of junk.

EDIT: I should add this. Very soon after I switched away from cigarettes I came to relish the fact that my PVs did NOT resemble cigarettes. Combined with the fact that present battery technology doesn't permit satisfactory performance to any but the lightest smokers in a cigarette replica. Form follows function, and you just need a battery which is larger than half a cigarette to do the job.

Thank you for the response!!

Great data sampling!! You seem to have answered most of my wants and needs.
So many have suggested 510 and eGo, it must be a fits all type of model.

What type of cartos - How good are the Boge and do you recommend the Low?

Thanks so much.
D.

 

[Nightseer]

Some people (me for one) take the rubber stopper out of cartos and use drip tips-or dummy cartridges. It makes the carto a LOT longer though......

You are great with the reply!!

See, that 808 thing was confusing to me. I thought I saw some that appeared to have whistle top. But it must have been something else!!

Appreciate your efforts!! Thank you.
D.

 

[reachedmylimit]

Just a thought - you say you hate sweet flavors but keep this in mind. The tongue can only sense sweet, sour, bitter, salty and umami which has something to do with MSG. Out of all of those, sweet or sweet/sour are the flavors that are most found in ejuices. Without one of those 5 tastes, your tongue won't taste much of anything and the aroma will be all you have. Cigarettes bathe you in their odor but you have to actually remember to let your nose get a whiff of vapor. I found more and more that I appreciated a bit of sweet in a juice so my tongue has something interesting too. I started by occasionally adding a bit of a nice non-icecreamy vanilla (Backwoods Brew Vanilla Bean) or some chocolate or so FreedomSmokeUSA oRYental 4 (sweet caramelly vanilla tobacco) to my non-sweet tobaccos, just to vary the flavor and make it more complex. I started doing that more and more and now I am vaping Vanilla Bean all day, with some chocolate and some oRYental for variety.

Most cigarettes have sugar or honey and cocoa in them. I've checked all the ones I have ever smoked and they all do. So maybe that is why those flavors are satisfying.

Great insight!! I appreciate the suggestions and I will look into the vendors. I thought of Tea because I drink it all day and like a bitter base that I do not get sick of with high usage!!

Do you recommend vg over pg, I am sensitive to chemicals (probably because I am around them all day) But what is more Toxic than what I constantly inhale all day in analogs!!

I am calling Colleagues at other Universities to ask about the Ingestion/Inhalation factors and if there have been any studies completed concerning Toxicity.

Great help, Thank you.
D.

 

[reachedmylimit]

Some people (me for one) take the rubber stopper out of cartos and use drip tips-or dummy cartridges. It makes the carto a LOT longer though......

Does this method effect inhalation - Does it increase power needed to draw on unit??

How would one do this on a eGo? Can I get a 901 soft whistle tip and place it in the top of the carto??

Thanks,
D.

 

[wv2win]

The only atomizer that has a whistle tip is the same atomizer I use which is the 801. It is the atomizer I prefer, BUT only with a stronger battery. On the weak, slim batteries, it feels like what you did not like which is "airy and cool". I only use them on 5 volt or variable volt PV's which provides really nice, warm vapor. But since you are new and "think" you prefer something smaller (you will probably change your mind about this once you have vaped for a while and really want better performance) then I would recommend the VGO-801 which does have a bigger battery than the small PV's but is still no larger than a cigar. Here is a link to one supplier:

BreezEsmokes - Premium Electronic Cigarettes

I would strongly suggest based on how you smoke to start out with 24mg nicotine strength liquid and buy at least one extra atomizer and 5 blank carts to refill with liquid you think you will like. If you really want superior performance that better duplicates the "inhaled feel" of a cigarette, then eventually you will want to look at the 5 volt or variable volt (VV) PV's such as the GLV2 from Great Lakes Vapor or the VV Darwin from nhaler.com.

Good Luck

 

[DocDave]

Pick up both PG and VG in 18mg and 24 mg is a common starting place. I buy mine from blue mist and order extra flavor so that I can cut it down. I use the (eJuice me up) calculator, a free download works great.

 

[reachedmylimit]

Your criteria is somewhat similar to what mine was when I first started vaping a year and a half ago, and still is...................



................... All that being said, IF you can handle a slightly larger PV, I think your best bet will be the eGo XL or eGo-T Tank system with 650 mAh batteries. It is, as someone else mentioned, about the size of a Sharpie and has considerably longer battery life, with drastically less need for refilling or modding carts. It is also a whistle tip, like you mentioned you preferred.

ETA: The whistle tip isn't "soft", but it's not as hard as the whistle tip you'd find on a cigarillo.

You can get a P/T for either PV.

HTH, and as always YMMV!

Thank you for the info...........I thought Whistle tips were of softer/rubber substance to feel more like an analog!!!
D.

 

[BlondieLocs]

Great insight!! I appreciate the suggestions and I will look into the vendors. I thought of Tea because I drink it all day and like a bitter base that I do not get sick of with high usage!!

Do you recommend vg over pg, I am sensitive to chemicals (probably because I am around them all day) But what is more Toxic than what I constantly inhale all day in analogs!!

I am calling Colleagues at other Universities to ask about the Ingestion/Inhalation factors and if there have been any studies completed concerning Toxicity.

Great help, Thank you.
D.

There are studies about this listed in this thread: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-propylene-glycol-toxicity-all-one-place.html

ETA: FWIW... I've only had ONE cold in the year and a half since I've been vaping.

 

[wv2win]

Thank you for the info...........I thought Whistle tips were of softer/rubber substance to feel more like an analog!!!
D.

There are both soft and hard whistle tips. I only prefer the soft ones. They are getting harder to find, however. The two suppliers I know carry them are Ikenvape and Heaven Gifts.

 

[reachedmylimit]

The only atomizer that has a whistle tip is the same atomizer I use which is the 801. It is the atomizer I prefer, BUT only with a stronger battery. On the weak, slim batteries, it feels like what you did not like which is "airy and cool". I only use them on 5 volt or variable volt PV's which provides really nice, warm vapor. But since you are new and "think" you prefer something smaller (you will probably change your mind about this once you have vaped for a while and really want better performance) then I would recommend the VGO-801 which does have a bigger battery than the small PV's but is still no larger than a cigar. Here is a link to one supplier:

BreezEsmokes - Premium Electronic Cigarettes

I would strongly suggest based on how you smoke to start out with 24mg nicotine strength liquid and buy at least one extra atomizer and 5 blank carts to refill with liquid you think you will like. If you really want superior performance that better duplicates the "inhaled feel" of a cigarette, then eventually you will want to look at the 5 volt or variable volt (VV) PV's such as the GLV2 from Great Lakes Vapor or the VV Darwin from nhaler.com.

Good Luck

Thank you for the Nicotine recommendation......But........The analogs I smoke are LIGHTS and I leave them burning often, under the MEGA FAN in lab. I may drag 5-8 draws off any given analog. (We have been and are doing observation and data gathering).

You suggested atty and Cart over Carto. (Keeping a tally on recomends) Always have spares - good advise

If I purchased a High (24mg) How do I cut liquid to reduce if necessary!! Which Vendor recommend??

Thank you,
D.

 

[BlondieLocs]

If I purchased a High (24mg) How do I cut liquid to reduce if necessary!! Which Vendor recommend??

You can cut liquid with PG. VG, PEG, distilled water or alcohol. Here's a write up about the former 3: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...able-glycerin-vg-polyethylene-glycol-peg.html

ETA: You're probably better off doing this... Smarter to order a higher nic content and cut it if it's too strong, than order too weak and find out it's not enough. The first juices I ordered were a 16mg. I'm vaping 24 - 36mg now.

 

[wv2win]

Thank you for the Nicotine recommendation......But........The analogs I smoke are LIGHTS and I leave them burning often, under the MEGA FAN in lab. I may drag 5-8 draws off any given analog. (We have been and are doing observation and data gathering).

You suggested atty and Cart over Carto. (Keeping a tally on recomends) Always have spares - good advise

If I purchased a High (24mg) How do I cut liquid to reduce if necessary!! Which Vendor recommend??

Thank you,
D.

First, I use both atomizers and cartomizers and do not use carts any more. But new users tend to start out with carts. I only "drip" right onto the atomizer heating coil (2-3 drops at a time) when using an atomizer. It tends to give better throat hit and flavor and is less of a hassle than refilling carts.

On the nicotine level, what I would do is get a few flavors in 24mg and 18mg liquid and one of the same flavor in say 11mg or even 0mg. Then if you find the nic. stength too high, you can "cut" it with the lower level nic liquid to whatever level works for you. Keep in mind that vaping is far less efficient in getting nicotine into your system that smoking. So even though you are a "light" cigarette smoker, in most cases you will need at least 24mg to make the transition. They are many veteran vapers who still use 36mg liquid.

The thing to understand about vaping, is that most new users really want (even thougth they don't understand this) the "inhaled feel" of an analog (cig) much more than the "looks" of an analog. To get that, you need warmer vapor and higher nicotine strength which are the two things that provide 98% of the throat hit (inhaled feel) from a PV (personal vaporizer). The only way you get warmer vapor is to have better (larger) batteries. Ideally, that means a 5 volt or variable volt (VV) PV. But being new, you probably don't want to go that route, yet, although in the long run, the majority end up with a larger battery device.

So I would recommend what I mentioned before which is either an eGo or Riva 510 PV or an VGO 801. For the eGo I would recommend you look at: E Liquid - E Liquid 5ML - PG - Tobaccos . If you order from them, make sure you click on the 20% off button in the upper left hand corner of their home page to get the discount. They also have a wide variety of e-liquids and they also have them in the smaller 5ml bottles so you can try many different flavors at less cost. I really like their "Home Counties" tobacco flavor because it is a very smooth, not over powering tobacco flavor. Another favorite of many is the RY4 which is a tobacco with undertones of carmel and vanilla.

The supplier with probably the largest selection of PV models is nhaler.com. And Drew (owner) provides outstanding customer service.

 

[reachedmylimit]

........................ Purchased an eGo-T with PT as my first 'real' pv. Wow. Simply great and I'm probably spoiled for now. That being said, last night I ran up to Good Prophets (which is local to me but a lot of ecf order online from) and I picked up a 510 w/ manual battery kit as a backup. It came with 2 batteries, 2 attys, usb charging dongle, wall adapter and five pre-filled carts - not a bad little kit for the money. Nice vapor once the atty is worked in and decent flavor - however compared to the tank, well, you can't compare - it's a different animal.. like comparing a motorcycle to a limousine, both get you to the destination but the voyage isn't the same. The 510 battery lasted me a little over an hour and a half, the carts are refillable and you can use a cartomizer on it as is or as a drip tip. Either way, I have a little shy of $100 invested in both systems combined and feel as though I'm prepared should a mishap befall one; I'll at least be able to make it a few days until I can drive up and replace whatever I need. .............

............As for juices - I really like Rob's USA-Mix but I add MintyChocolate to mine - however I just picked up his Black Tea and have been vaping it all night - Wow! It's got the flavor of darjeeling (floral, mild muscatel), a very light ceylon black (citrus) and just a tinge of something that reminds me of bergamot (think Earl Grey), so light it could just be in my imagination. Yeah, I used to own a coffee shop/ tea house, could ya tell? Anyway, I would recommend it but everyone has their own interpretation of flavors. Good luck though on the search - you'll find something that works, just give it time.

-J

OH YEAH!! Where would I find this "Rob" with the Tea Juice??!??? I spent a year abroad and became a Tea and Ciggy addict. All of the wonders of TEA - I love it, except the overly smokey ones, feels as if i am drinking a Ham!! Not a highlight to my day!!
TEA is soooo not appreciated in America, everyone here is a Coffee .....!! LOL!! My whole family drinks coffee in gallons - I love the smell - HATE the taste!!

510 and eGos are getting the majority of Recomends!!

Oh well, But thank you for the TEA info..
D.

 

[BlondieLocs]

Great data sampling!! You seem to have answered most of my wants and needs.
So many have suggested 510 and eGo, it must be a fits all type of model.

If you're leaning towards the eGo and 510 combinations, I just did a comparison here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...my-thoughts-ego-mega-xl-ego-t-510s-m601s.html

I'm warning you, though - it's a LONG read! (I'm guessing you might appreciate that with your research background. )

 

[Calypso]

Hi Reachedmylimit, As an analyst myself I did research for about two months before making a choice. Now that you have read all of the posts for this thread just make a choice and go for it. I'm sure you have heard the saying that at some point in time you have to shoot the analyist and make a decision. You should be happy with an Ego or Riva. The PT is a must for those who work on PCs all day. Good luck and have some fun.

 

[zoiDman]

All new e-Cig vapers seem to follow the same natural progression…

They buy something “small” that looks like a real cigarette. They get furious with the short battery life and small e-Juice capacity. They buy a somewhat larger PV which is only a half measure. Perhaps even a third. They end up buying an eGo sized PV and end up with a box of miscellaneous items which don’t interchange with what they currently use.

Although this is Great for the people selling hardware, it is somewhat annoying and pricey.

My suggestion, as one who has been down this road, Blu-RN4081-KR808-Joye 510-eGo-Riva, is to buy a eGo or Riva Starter kit as well as 2 Joye 510 batteries and a USB Ego Pass thru. Since all the batteries have an 510 connector, all of it is interchangeable with what ever atty or cartos you decide to use. You might find that the USB pass thru is your preferred device at home, the eGo/Riva for on the go and the 510 is what you carry to work.

And when you move to using the eGo/Riva most of the time, which most 510 users end up doing, you would have the 510 batteries as backups.

 

[reachedmylimit]

Hi Reachedmylimit, As an analyst myself I did research for about two months before making a choice. Now that you have read all of the posts for this thread just make a choice and go for it. I'm sure you have heard the saying that at some point in time you have to shoot the analyist and make a decision. You should be happy with an Ego or Riva. The PT is a must for those who work on PCs all day. Good luck and have some fun.

[LOL!! That is why I continue my search for a Kevlar Lab Coat!!!

I know, I know make a decision!! Why is it so much easier to choose when it is not personal. ( But as this has progressed, There are now 4 others ready to make the Switch. 5 Scientists divided by 1 optimal decision = Kaos) Too much data collection has forgotten the main objective:

I want to make the optimal/best choice so that I will be satisfied enough to quit analogs.

The eGo sounds to be a good start with all responses giving us good info and where to get soft whistle tips!!

Liberty Flights, Nhaler, Robs Tea, Bluemist, 510 with converter, PT needs, mg suggestions, cartos - See we are paying attention!!

Thanks, I'll let you know what I do!!
D.

 

[zoiDman]

Take your time...

Better to do a little reading and searching on the ECF than to spend $125 on a box of stuff that you end up replacing in 2 months.

Here is a good site to compare prices and to check out photos.

Electronic Cigarette - Starter Kits - Riva 510

Just remeber to click on the 20% icon in the upper L/H part of the page to see the "real" prices.

 

[reachedmylimit]

All new e-Cig vapers seem to follow the same natural progression…

They buy something “small” that looks like a real cigarette. They get furious with the short battery life and small e-Juice capacity. They buy a somewhat larger PV which is only a half measure. Perhaps even a third. They end up buying an eGo sized PV and end up with a box of miscellaneous items which don’t interchange with what they currently use.

Although this is Great for the people selling hardware, it is somewhat annoying and pricey.

My suggestion, as one who has been down this road, Blu-RN4081-KR808-Joye 510-eGo-Riva, is to buy a eGo or Riva Starter kit as well as 2 Joye 510 batteries and a USB Ego Pass thru. Since all the batteries have an 510 connector, all of it is interchangeable with what ever atty or cartos you decide to use. You might find that the USB pass thru is your preferred device at home, the eGo/Riva for on the go and the 510 is what you carry to work. And when you move to using the eGo/Riva most of the time, which most 510 users end up doing, you would have the 510 batteries as backups.

Ding!Ding!Ding!! I think we have a winner!!! This is what my conclusion was a week ago but I wanted experienced EHalers to let me know if it was good practical/working/hands on advice advice!!

My conclusions have been confirmed by numerous respondents!

eGo with all the accessories ! Except I also want to try soft whistle tips, I think someone answered how to take top off and insert.

Order extra Cartos and plenty of flavors in different mg with blank solution.

How are the BOGE cartos - What is best Carto?? I want a Warm feel.

Thank you everyone!! Keep suggestions up on what to do once I get the darn thing home!!!
D.