Name this PV?? Does this PV exist?? Recommendation Please!!

[zoiDman]

I’ve tried Many different cartos and these are by far the Best that I have seen.

FIVE (5) Joye 510 compatible e-Cigarette blank cartomizers (Manufactured by Boge)

Very Easy to fill and a Nice Warm Smooth hitter. Just make sure you get the Blank ones. I tried the pre-filled thinking I was getting a better deal. The juice in the pre-filled ones was Nasty. I'm talking Old Gym Soxs boiled in yesterday's coffee bad.

 

[zoiDman]

BTW - What type of flavors where you thinking about trying?

A PV is only as good as the juice you put in it. For a good one-stop-shop you might consider this site.

Tasty Vapor Nicotine Liquids - 1 oz.

I would suggest going with 24mg @ 30% VG for someone trying to quit.

 

[reachedmylimit]

BTW - What type of flavors where you thinking about trying?

A PV is only as good as the juice you put in it. For a good one-stop-shop you might consider this site.

Tasty Vapor Nicotine Liquids - 1 oz.

I would suggest going with 24mg @ 30% VG for someone trying to quit.

I want to start with tobacco flavor and Tea - but not Sweet or coffee. I hate Sweet tastes ! Recommends?

I do think 30 VG sounds like a good option.

Thank you for your input!!
D.

 

[zoiDman]

This is where I can't help you. I love Sweet Flavors and never found a tobacco that I thought was any good. Many people have raved about Backwoods Brew.

But then again, if you look hard enough, you can find people that rave about anything.

 

[VprNomi]

Sounds to me like you might like an Ego-T (tank system). I've never used one myself but I read a lot about different models here on ECF and this was the first one that I thought of when reading your post. It's relatively small (only slightly bigger than the thinner, cigarette-sized models), has a flat tip (whistle type) mouthpiece I believe, and seems to have the advantages of cartos as far as holding a lot of liquid at once without the user constantly having to drip more in but without some of the disadvantages of carto filling/batting. I think the connection is 510 (not compatible with 808 without an adapter), which is relatively common and easy to find accessories for.

I can't recommend tobacco flavors as I prefer sweet.

Good luck!

Hello Everyone!
I am a long time lurker; 1st post!!

I perform Scientific Research for a living, but in my chosen fields of expertise and Vaping is not in my field. This is totally new to me and I have ZERO practical experience so choosing a PV is quite difficult. I have now done soo much research, I am completely confused. Pictures and words can be very deceiving as to: size, weight, draw, power, etc. , so I do not feel qualified to analyze. I know when to go to the EXPERTS!!

I am asking for your help, Based upon criteria; What would be the best PV Starter Kit for me?:
Note: I am now smoking over a pack a day (very expensive and quite harmful to my health). High stress.

1) I would like something Not too bulky. (I am petite and female) And well made.
2) High Volume Fluid containment, so I do not have to change or refill constantly -Cart and atty, Cartos, Ce2-4, Low vs High, Mega, xl -WHAT?
3) NO COLD AIR - I tried an ecig type thing a few years ago and it was cool air - Hated it!
4) I think I would prefer a small whistle type mouth piece - soft if possible and will produce optimal output. Is this a good option??
5) Which mouth pieces fit with what? Can an 808 fit a 510? Does an 808 extra long last longer than a 510 mega?
6) Best Flavor and Vender - Tobacco and Teas only for a start, I HATE SWEET Flavors.

7) ADDITIONALLY; I know I want a Pass Through also, It DOES NOT have to comply with travel PV. This will be my primary, as I am in the Lab, Class or Office the majority of my week.

We have a $200.00 limit - Help me find my PV!

Please help, and all suggestions are appreciated!!
D.

 

[VprNomi]

I totally disagree!!!!

As a more/capri smoker (which my mother is/was - and prefers the Blucig, which is waaaaaaaay too weak for most of here making recommendations), particular someone who doesn't smoke more than a pack a day, I definitely suggest that you start with a lower nic level & work up if need be.

I was a heavy (2ppd) Marlboro red smoker and I can't even handle more than 12mg nic. I don't think you're going to like 16 or higher. I ordered too high a nic level the first time and it was so harsh I couldn't use it at all. I say better to go too low the first time, using it & getting used to it (even if you have to continue smoking a few cigs here & there) than go too high & not be able to use it at all (smoking exactly as much as you were before in the meantime). Cutting it will weaken the flavor as well as the nic level.

Smarter to order a higher nic content and cut it if it's too strong, than order too weak and find out it's not enough. The first juices I ordered were a 16mg. I'm vaping 24 - 36mg now.

 

[SubGothius]

One problem with whistle tips, especially for button-operated manual batteries, is the matter of making sure the tip is oriented properly when you raise the PV to your lips. I thought I'd prefer flat tips with my eGo and got a pack of carts in that style, but in practice it's just become an ongoing annoyance. Fortunately, I also happened to pick up a Delrin drip tip (these are typically available in black and a range of translucent colors), which I've liked much better, as it fits the shape of my lips better than a standard cylindrical cart tip without any orientation concerns; apparently these tips also work fine in place of the soft endcap included in the Boge Cartomizers.

Rather than messing about with cutting/diluting/mixing juice, at least while starting out, I'd suggest starting with premixed juices at ~18-24mg strength, then if you want to ease off your nic dosage later, you can just order the next-lower strength next time (or even together with your first order), maybe blend two strengths of the same flavor 1:1 to get a transitional level.

I've also rather liked the Dekang "Black Tea" flavor I got with my first eGo from LiteCig, kinda Earl Grey-ish in flavor; I think this may be what Rob at Good Prophets was carrying that randomness mentioned here. Some experienced vapers claim to find the Dekang range a bit bland/boring compared to other suppliers, but IMO this may be because Dekang used to dominate the juice market until very recently, so their version of popular flavors may just seem "old hat" to vapors who've been around a while; perhaps as befits a mass-market product, they may not be particularly outstanding but nothing wrong with them, either. Anyway, see here for some other discussion of tea flavors I found:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...king-real-good-earl-gray-black-tea-juice.html


FreedomSmokeUSA seems to have a rather diverse range of flavors including some rather unusual/nonsweet ones I've been meaning to try. Nhaler has a Mint Black Tea flavor in their Nhaler/Xhaler range, and also a Green Tea flavor in their "Lung Juice" line that includes other purportedly beneficial herbal extracts, which you may find of interest.

As regards PG vs. VG, I'm a bit leery about VG myself. It starts to decompose at about the same temp where it boils (vaporizes) and as a breakdown byproduct can produce acrolein, a known carcinogen (which, granted, is also present at orders of magnitude greater amounts in most commercial cigarette smoke); however, considering the temps required for acrolein production specifically, this may be more of a concern with vaping pure-VG juice and/or vaping with high-voltage mods or LR attomizers, maybe little concern with standard-voltage PVs and standard-resistance (non-LR) attys running low-VG juice blends. This decomposition of VG also produces a much more bulky "deposit" on atomizers that can render them useless sooner than vaping a pure PG-based juice. Just search the forum for "acrolein" to find what some science-minded forum denizens have done to research and experiment with this subject. I gather the primary effect of VG is to soften throat hit and add body/thickness to the vapor at the expense of some flavor, so if you actually want a good smoky "sting" and strong flavor from your vapor and don't care so much about how thick your vapor feels or appears, just go for juices using straight PG, which has a clearer track record of inhalation safety from fog generators, asthma inhalers, etc.

 

[Valentine Michael Smith]

VprNomi,

I was a 1.5 ppd Camel Wides smoker and 18mg is not strong enough for me. Interesting that you can't do over 12mg. You must be very sensitive to nic. Or maybe I'm just not? Both?

Cheers,
VMS

 

[tigerlily]

I was a 2 pad smoker of lights. I began vaping at 18mg, which I think was too high considering that once I started vaping I was vaping constantly. I have since switched to 12 mg which I think is just about right. I cringe to think of starting out at 24 mg, but BlondieLocs does have a point about being able to cut the higher nic juice. Just be sure to plan for that possibility. Order some lower or even zero nic juice in the same flavor to cut it with if necessary.

 

[zoiDman]

As you can see, people have a widely different reaction to various level of nicotine in e-Juice.

For a person who is about to go "Cold Turkey" from analogs, I would always suggest that they choose a Higher versus a Lower nicotine level to start. You can easily cut the Nicotine level down by diluting it with VG which is readily available at most drug stores.

But if you start with a low mg and you find yourself curled up in a ball chanting, "I will Not smoke a Cigarette. I will NOT smoke a cigarette. I WILL NOT SMOKE A CIGARETTE!", because your juice doesn't cut it, well, waiting a week for new juice to arrive just isn't an option.

A small reduction in taste, from a diluted juice, is a small price to pay if you can make it thru the first 2 weeks. Because I'm not going to kid you Sunshine, it can be rough.

 

[throatkick]

In my rather short time here but 25 years of maniacal smoking, I have found that the PV will make an immense difference in TH and taste. The egos are very good all-around devices for all the reasons mentioned above but they are by no means the TH or flavor kings.

I find it important to mention that I can easily vape 18 with a LEO or 5v box mod but vaped 36 with the ego. This is because my whole thing is TH. So if TH and flavor are not the main reason you smoked, then the ego is a fabulous device. As an example, we can use vapor production. I thought the ego did very well in that regard. A lot of people really enjoy that.
Another shining quality of the ego is flexibility and availability of parts and innovation.

So, I would do what Tiger recommended above. Get some 36 and some lower (say 6- 12) nic juice of the same flavor. Start at 36 and then cut or dilute it down. Why buy zero unless you want to keep the math simple?

Long story short, I hope you and other new people read this because the biggest problem I faced was doubt. I bought a Leo and was happy but some people where putting it down. I bought an ego and read a bunch of stuff about how it sucks.
What do you think happens when you have quit for 5 days and you read about how inferior your PV is? Take a wild guess!!

All the best!

 

[SubGothius]

The strength to start at really depends on the analog habit you're coming from in terms of both rate and per-cig strength (many "lights" were still full-strength nic, others not so much), and whether you even want to reduce nic usage vs. just enjoying the heck out of it via a safer delivery method than smoking actual tobacco. To mitigate nicotine withdrawal, a pack-plus daily smoker should start stronger than someone who only had a half-pack or less daily, a pack/day full-strength smoker should start stronger than a pack/day low-nic smoker, etc.

EDIT: just saw throatkick's reply above mine, some very valid points to consider there as well.

 

[wv2win]

I totally disagree!!!!

As a more/capri smoker (which my mother is/was - and prefers the Blucig, which is waaaaaaaay too weak for most of here making recommendations), particular someone who doesn't smoke more than a pack a day, I definitely suggest that you start with a lower nic level & work up if need be.

I was a heavy (2ppd) Marlboro red smoker and I can't even handle more than 12mg nic. I don't think you're going to like 16 or higher. I ordered too high a nic level the first time and it was so harsh I couldn't use it at all. I say better to go too low the first time, using it & getting used to it (even if you have to continue smoking a few cigs here & there) than go too high & not be able to use it at all (smoking exactly as much as you were before in the meantime). Cutting it will weaken the flavor as well as the nic level.

I TOTALLY disagree with starting too low. It's just a receipe for frustration and continuing to smoke. There are easy ways to lower you nic strength as I outlined but you CANNOT make it stronger. Get the 24mg nicotine strength and something lower to cut it with if you find it is too high, which you probably won't. Remember, nicotine strength is also part of the throat hit equation, as well. And don't let anyone tell you that you can get great TH from adding something like PGA - that's just plain not true.

And for every one example like this one above, you will find 100 that are exactly the opposite.

And the point made by throatkick is a good one. The eGo type PV's are better than the little mini analog size PV's but they are not close to being on par with a good 5 volt or variable volt PV.

 

[DrZEUS]

whats the difference between the Riva and Ego?

 

[SubGothius]

whats the difference between the Riva and Ego?

They're just two slightly different versions of a Joye 510-compatible fat battery, made by different manufacturers; I think Joye launched the eGo first, and then the Riva kinda copycatted it in concept, but it's not exactly a knockoff per se since it's not trying to pass itself off as a "genuine" Joye eGo. Some even see the Riva as an improvement or just prefer its gold metal trim, or soft-touch button, or slightly larger battery capacity than the std. eGo.

 

[throatkick]

I TOTALLY disagree with starting too low. It's just a receipe for frustration and continuing to smoke. There are easy ways to lower you nic strength as I outlined but you CANNOT make it stronger. Get the 24mg nicotine strength and something lower to cut it with if you find it is too high, which you probably won't. Remember, nicotine strength is also part of the throat hit equation, as well.

Yes. You want an abundance of everything. Trouble of any kind can be a distraction that creates the "doubt". You want to make sure you have nic, flavors, carts, batts, attys - whatever- galore! Then, once you are happy and have your system down pat, you start to experiment (try to improve) . You then have the luxury of time etc.

The one drawback to this is that you have to order in advance all the time. Not knowing what you like exactly may cause over-ordering of one thing and under-ordering of another.

So get enough of something decent in the beginning and fine-tune along the way. Who knows? With a bit of luck you may find the perfect thing right off the bat!

And don't let anyone tell you that you can get great TH from adding something like PGA - that's just plain not true.

While everyone is different, for me, few statements are more true. To me that isn't TH. It isn't smooth or filling. It is like a combination of burning, ripping and I just ate a jalapeno pepper type thing.

 

[reachedmylimit]

I totally disagree!!!!

As a more/capri smoker (which my mother is/was - and prefers the Blucig, which is waaaaaaaay too weak for most of here making recommendations), particular someone who doesn't smoke more than a pack a day, I definitely suggest that you start with a lower nic level & work up if need be.

I was a heavy (2ppd) Marlboro red smoker and I can't even handle more than 12mg nic. I don't think you're going to like 16 or higher. I ordered too high a nic level the first time and it was so harsh I couldn't use it at all. I say better to go too low the first time, using it & getting used to it (even if you have to continue smoking a few cigs here & there) than go too high & not be able to use it at all (smoking exactly as much as you were before in the meantime). Cutting it will weaken the flavor as well as the nic level.

This was my fear, too high nic. Any liquids I purchase I will also purchase a 0 nic to mix.

Thank you for your concern, it is very appreciated!!
D.

 

[reachedmylimit]

One problem with whistle tips, especially for button-operated manual batteries, is the matter of making sure the tip is oriented properly when you raise the PV to your lips. I thought I'd prefer flat tips with my eGo and got a pack of carts in that style, but in practice it's just become an ongoing annoyance. Fortunately, I also happened to pick up a Delrin drip tip (these are typically available in black and a range of translucent colors), which I've liked much better, as it fits the shape of my lips better than a standard cylindrical cart tip without any orientation concerns; apparently these tips also work fine in place of the soft endcap included in the Boge Cartomizers.

Excellent point....Are the Drip Tips Soft??

Rather than messing about with cutting/diluting/mixing juice, at least while starting out, I'd suggest starting with premixed juices at ~18-24mg strength, then if you want to ease off your nic dosage later, you can just order the next-lower strength next time (or even together with your first order), maybe blend two strengths of the same flavor 1:1 to get a transitional level.

I've also rather liked the Dekang "Black Tea" flavor I got with my first eGo from LiteCig, kinda Earl Grey-ish in flavor; I think this may be what Rob at Good Prophets was carrying that randomness mentioned here. Some experienced vapers claim to find the Dekang range a bit bland/boring compared to other suppliers, but IMO this may be because Dekang used to dominate the juice market until very recently, so their version of popular flavors may just seem "old hat" to vapors who've been around a while; perhaps as befits a mass-market product, they may not be particularly outstanding but nothing wrong with them, either. Anyway, see here for some other discussion of tea flavors I found:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...king-real-good-earl-gray-black-tea-juice.html

THANK YOU FOR THE TEA THREAD!!

FreedomSmokeUSA seems to have a rather diverse range of flavors including some rather unusual/nonsweet ones I've been meaning to try. Nhaler has a Mint Black Tea flavor in their Nhaler/Xhaler range, and also a Green Tea flavor in their "Lung Juice" line that includes other purportedly beneficial herbal extracts, which you may find of interest.

As regards PG vs. VG, I'm a bit leery about VG myself. It starts to decompose at about the same temp where it boils (vaporizes) and as a breakdown byproduct can produce acrolein, a known carcinogen (which, granted, is also present at orders of magnitude greater amounts in most commercial cigarette smoke); however, considering the temps required for acrolein production specifically, this may be more of a concern with vaping pure-VG juice and/or vaping with high-voltage mods or LR attomizers, maybe little concern with standard-voltage PVs and standard-resistance (non-LR) attys running low-VG juice blends. This decomposition of VG also produces a much more bulky "deposit" on atomizers that can render them useless sooner than vaping a pure PG-based juice. Just search the forum for "acrolein" to find what some science-minded forum denizens have done to research and experiment with this subject. I gather the primary effect of VG is to soften throat hit and add body/thickness to the vapor at the expense of some flavor, so if you actually want a good smoky "sting" and strong flavor from your vapor and don't care so much about how thick your vapor feels or appears, just go for juices using straight PG, which has a clearer track record of inhalation safety from fog generators, asthma inhalers, etc.

Thank you for the info, we are looking for studies done at CDC and not done by BIG TOBACCO to verify and study effects. Heck we may even get a Grant to study effects!!

Thank you! Highly insightful post!
D,

 

[NCC]

I totally disagree!!!!

As a more/capri smoker (which my mother is/was - and prefers the Blucig, which is waaaaaaaay too weak for most of here making recommendations), particular someone who doesn't smoke more than a pack a day, I definitely suggest that you start with a lower nic level & work up if need be.

I was a heavy (2ppd) Marlboro red smoker and I can't even handle more than 12mg nic. I don't think you're going to like 16 or higher. I ordered too high a nic level the first time and it was so harsh I couldn't use it at all. I say better to go too low the first time, using it & getting used to it (even if you have to continue smoking a few cigs here & there) than go too high & not be able to use it at all (smoking exactly as much as you were before in the meantime). Cutting it will weaken the flavor as well as the nic level.

The problem with your logic(?) is that it is based on your personal experience. The thing is, the appropriate nicotine level isn't that simple, it isn't a lock step relationship, it depends on many factors. I smoked relatively mild (1mg/cigarette) More Red 120s. I vape 30-36mg juice all day long. It depends on the device in use, the actual vaping style of the individual, and (I suspect) body chemistry. Too many people start out too low on the nicotine scale and experience withdrawal as a result. It is much easier to reduce if one is able to mix. If that isn't a viable option, the next best thing is to initially buy a range of concentrations in smallish samples to determine what works for you.

 

[reachedmylimit]

As you can see, people have a widely different reaction to various level of nicotine in e-Juice.

For a person who is about to go "Cold Turkey" from analogs, I would always suggest that they choose a Higher versus a Lower nicotine level to start. You can easily cut the Nicotine level down by diluting it with VG which is readily available at most drug stores.

But if you start with a low mg and you find yourself curled up in a ball chanting, "I will Not smoke a Cigarette. I will NOT smoke a cigarette. I WILL NOT SMOKE A CIGARETTE!", because your juice doesn't cut it, well, waiting a week for new juice to arrive just isn't an option.
A small reduction in taste, from a diluted juice, is a small price to pay if you can make it thru the first 2 weeks. Because I'm not going to kid you Sunshine, it can be rough.

LOLLOLOLOL!!! I love this, because that is so me!! I know it will be rough, I will remove all sharp objects from my immediate area!!

I will do the prior suggestion of multi level Nicotine liquids and blank juice to cut if I need it!!

Thank you for your help and concern, I truly want this to work!!
D.