Nanny state's deadly bigotry over e-cigarettes

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RCHagy74

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By the way I would think the "successful suicidal actions" would count as a successful quit.

Someone, somewhere on the forums wrote that the "successful suicidal actions" were probably counted under 'deaths from smoking'.

Really, why do we need the government to do all this protection stuff?

That is why we have trial lawyers and group settlements!

Oh, wait... let me think on that and get back to you all.
 

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In the recent case of the Ebola outbreak, a highly experimental drug, with limited testing regarding efficacy and side effects, was approved for use, based on the "results can't be worse than by not administering it" reasoning. I'm wondering why when it comes to smoking and vaping, a completely different principle ("abundant caution") is invoked.
 

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In the recent case of the Ebola outbreak, a highly experimental drug, with limited testing regarding efficacy and side effects, was approved for use, based on the "results can't be worse than by not administering it" reasoning. I'm wondering why when it comes to smoking and vaping, a completely different principle ("abundant caution") is invoked.

Money...

I am old and cynically jaded though.
 

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In the recent case of the Ebola outbreak, a highly experimental drug, with limited testing regarding efficacy and side effects, was approved for use, based on the "results can't be worse than by not administering it" reasoning. I'm wondering why when it comes to smoking and vaping, a completely different principle ("abundant caution") is invoked.

Ebola victims were not demonized by the government first.
 

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If I may be blunt , at the core of it all is the " progressive/ liberal" who always knows what is best for the masses , their end game is always Controll ........a friend of mine refers to liberals as Fascists wearing a " Barney " suit ..... if I've offended anyone , I do not apologise in advance :)

Is there a way to "like" this a million times? So well stated. Certain members of this forum should be forever more known as "Barney's".
 

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We're close. :) Although, while there are some people who may fall for the PR, because they care for their children, there are more parents who also buy into the idea that IF you say you're 'for the children', or 'for clean air' or 'for natural food', 'for the poor/middle class/little guy', etc. etc. that it somehow, despite your actions, makes you a better person.

So even with those people receiving the PR, the hidden intent is the same as those delivering the PR - control over others, and sometimes with the idea that they, themselves can skate any regulations that may apply to them. But sadly for them, unless they are very well connected, the only ones that can actually avoid them, are the people who enact them. It's why Charley Rangel can avoid paying taxes (Chairman of that committee at the time) and how Elizabeth Dole (DOT head at the time) didn't wear a seatbelt in her limousine after pushing for all others to wear them.

That all changes (sometimes) when it is those people whose 'ox is gored' as is the case here with many individuals who have supported regulations and the politicians who enact them, but become 'activists' for ecigarettes. They can't believe their news sources are against ecigs!! and can't believe the news sources they hate are pro-ecigs. :lol: Still, for most, that won't change them, they'll still use the 'for the children' line when needed - just not as it applies to ecigs. However, some eyes have been opened by this, and once one sees, it is really hard not to see after that. ;)

Very accurate, especially the bolded part.
 

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Ebola victims were not demonized by the government first.

I do remember being attacked for daring to travel? Getting out of their homes? having the audacity to live in an apartment?

PS I just remembered how HIV victims were treated too. It appears that any time a minority is in difficulty, it HAS to be demonized first. My guess is that one of the reasons behind this is to operate a shift of responsibility ("it was all their fault"). Plus making place for "cruel and unusual" treatment of said minority. (-30 Celsius open "smoking shelter" anyone?)
 
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caramel;15302302:I do remember being attacked for daring to travel? Getting out of their homes? having the audacity to live in an apartment?

Yes, that was 'after' the fact though. There's a difference.

PS I just remembered how HIV victims were treated too. It appears that any time a minority is in difficulty, it HAS to be demonized first. My guess is that one of the reasons behind this is to operate a shift of responsibility ("it was all their fault"). Plus making place for "cruel and unusual" treatment of said minority. (-30 Celsius open "smoking shelter" anyone?)

While some of that was true with HIV patients, the FDA 'fast tracked' for the first time, drugs used to treat HIV - although it took a while. Heart, cancer, stroke, Alzheimer's, and others are not so fortunate to get fast tracked even though those illnesses effect much larger segments of the populations - ie. more 'majority' illnesses are not fast tracked.
 
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