Nasty anti-e cig editorial in LA Times

[Jherek]

Smoking out e-cigarettes



Smoking out e-cigarettes -- latimes.com

"Should the courts rule against the FDA, Congress will have to step in. With the ever-expanding peddling of nicotine in the United States, the public needs federal oversight of attempts to advance an addictive drug."

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Note that this editorial, pathetic and full of lies as it is, is also unsigned. I never much liked the LA Times, but it's really gone down hill since they got Bob Scheer to quit.

 

[LuckySevens4U]

Why are cigarettes legal and for sale then? Why is nicotine gum and lozenges and patches for sale over the counter and legal then? I don't get it.

 

[PlanetScribbles]

the long-term effects of breathing nicotine and propylene glycol haven't been determined -- not to mention diethylene glycol, an ingredient in antifreeze that the FDA has found in many e-cigarettes

A LIE. Plain and simple lies. We have a rag like this in the UK, called The Sun.
I use it to mop up vomit when the dog regurgitates it's lunch. At 20p, it's cheaper than kitchen towel lol

 

[Deschain]

the public needs federal oversight...


Yes, those stupid, stupid public people...how would they ever manage without government and the media telling them what is best for them...


.

 

[TheIllustratedMan]

Now now... *some* oversight is a good thing. For instance, to prevent companies from *intentionally* using diethylene glycol. Or to stop them adding extra, unnecessary ingredients to make these things as addictive as possible. Or to make sure that the liquid that you're using wasn't just mixed up in someone's basement with 150 mg/ml nicotine and sold as 0 nic.

And so on.

 

[raddiver]

Grrr,
What a one-sided opinion. And Of course there is no way to comment on the article, to balance it out.

 

[justrubl]

What really pi$$e$ me off is that what is in analog smoke is never mentioned.

Formaldehyde in Cigarette Smoke - Formaldehyde Information

Formaldehyde is a by-product of the combustion process of tobacco smoking. According to an article in the American Journal of Public Health entitled, "Irritants in Cigarette Smoke Plumes," formaldehyde in sidestream cigarette smoke is evident in concentrations of up to three times occupational limits. Formaldehyde is responsible for some of the nose, throat and eye irritation smokers experience when breathing in cigarette smoke.

 

[PlanetScribbles]

The LA Times should be utterly ashamed at putting out such bile and vitriol. You should get your facts right before publishing mistruths. A trace amount of diethylene glycol was found by the FDA in *one* solitary sample from an undisclosed source. Far less than the amounts that you would find in poisonous tobacco and cigarettes that are completely sanctioned by the FDA and available over the counter to children all over the US. What happenned to factual and relevent reporting in the media?

I was going to post this but I was forced to give them personal details to register. I don't want to give my details to a bunch of lying gob****es like them. Vapers have not one hope against this conserted establishment effort to get rid of PVs, unless we fight BS articles like this.
If they are going to publish stuff I really wish they would get their facts straight
This gutter reporting is really starting to annoy me now!

 

[TropicalBob]

1. It's not an article. Articles should be fair and balanced. It's an editorial. Editorials advance a position and support it. Editorials are opinion.

2. No matter whether these are ultimately ruled drugs/drug delivery devices or tobacco products, the FDA will regulate them. Either way, the FDA has final authority. It's just that the drug route is more involved at the moment. But either route could be a dead end, thanks to the recent legislation from Congress and signed into law. Any new product like these has massive, almost insurmountable, hurdles to get over.

3. These do need regulation. The out-of-control sale of products containing nicotine is not a supportable position. Surely no one can advocate that.

4. Editorial writers can base parts of an opinion on incorrect facts. That's the case here with the reference to diethylene glycol in many e-cigs. But rest assured that those advocating this opinion are not mindless idiots, pawns for Big Tobacco or Big Pharma, or dolts who write without thinking. This reflects an opinion many will hold and is the agreed-upon conclusion of an editorial board of highly intelligent people. We can hope that an organization like CASAA becomes a clearinghouse for facts on which future editorials are based, so incorrect allegations aren't printed or spoken as truth.

 

[dperino]

tried responding to the editorial but it appears i was unsuccessful at posting. their site seems kinda "buggy" or i'm doing something wrong. there are some points to tb's argument that i certainly agree with. however, fear not the mighty bureaucracies or the fourth estate. let em' know there's more to this argument then what they want people to know. so please, if one can successfully post a counter opinion do so.

 

[kinabaloo]

3. These do need regulation. The out-of-control sale of products containing nicotine is not a supportable position. Surely no one can advocate that.

Has 'out-of-control' sales done anything but good so far?

What is it wiith some people that wish to give the government control over every aspect of their lives, and others!

CASAA was supposed to be an organisation to protect the right to vape. Perhaps it should have simply offered a seat to the FDA.

 

[dperino]

What is it wiith some people that wish to give the government control over every aspect of their lives, and others!

certainly a valid question for the masses to chew, or in this case vape on.

CASAA was supposed to be an organisation to protect the right to vape. Perhaps it should have simply offered a seat to the FDA.

while i certainly don't agree with acquiescing to what is taking place, nor would i ever roll over because it's the government, or it's a newpaper or someone has a ton more resources then little old me, i must say that tb is entitled to his views. i don't think it fair to take what tb says as being the voice of casaa. but then again, time will tell.

 

[kristin]

I tried to comment, as well. It seemed to take it, but didn;t show up. Maybe they are screening posts.

Diethylene glycol was not found in "many e-cgarettes." It was found in trace amounts of 1% in ONE cartridge of ONE brand. Please re-read the FDA report.

It is worth mentioning that DEG is found in much greater amounts in actual tobacco cigarettes, so if 1% was even in all e-cigarettes it would be an improvement over smoking. The whole point of e-cigarettes is to be less harmful than real cigarettes & without the tar, ammonia, arsenic & other toxic chemicals found only in the smoke, e-cigarettes appear to be just that - less toxic.

They also ARE more effective than NRTs like the patch and gum, because those products require the consumer to quit altogether after a short time. This usually results in relapse & only a 7% success rate. With the e-cigarette, they can continue to use it as long as needed, while eliminating many of the harmful side effects of tobacco smoke. Using e-cigarettes instead of smoking = not smoking.

Regarding children and non-smokers becoming addicted, there are a non-nicotine liquids readily available to use with the devices. Why would anyone who doesn't already smoke choose to use the nicotine cartridges when non-addictive, 0-nicotine liquid is readily available? After using e-cigarettes, tobacco smoke tastes extremely foul. The idea one would move from a pleasant, non-addictive, flavored liquid to tobacco smoking is extremely misguided.

 

[dperino]

kristin. after registering i had to go to my email for a confirmation link. i then could post. hope this helps.

edit: went back to the site and found my response has yet to post. don't know how much time they take to do so, so will have to monitor their wonderful rag. keep up the good fight!

 

[jmdjax]

If you scroll down to the bottom of the article you can place a commit. May be some of the will get to the ..... that wrote this.

 

[Catman51]

I wrote a comment to them telling them how wrong they are!
I hope mine shows up, or it's very unfair to not allow comments

 

[Catman51]

The comments are finallly up, right after I wrote to them asking if they didn't allow comments!

 

[Snarkyone]

Hmm I wonder if I should go register and give them fools the FULL SNARK MODE treatment over this hugely misinformed and utterly incorrect editorial. People are such sheep anymore it makes me want to puke. I swear to god I wish I lived back in the 1800's when the country wasn't full of ashholes trying to control your life. It's a shame the government has gotten too big to change it. I am all for a second American Revolution, the system we have now is corrupted beyond saving and it's a joke. Thieves in suits is all they are.

 

[CHUCKLEHEAD]

Look at front page of USA today!!!!!!

 

[RIMP]

I don't see my comment yet But boy howdy, did I leave one8-o

RIMP