I've switched to 100% RDA's for any NET, the Kayfun is such a chore to rebuild in comparison to a dripper and coils for clearomizers are expensive. I use the same premade coils from fast tech, I highly recommend these they are very small and made of thin wire but they really pump out the flavor in a dripper (I use the brass monkey just because it is so easy to build.) I still use my clearos for long work days but with fruit juices, by lunch time I am craving a hit of net off the dripper.
Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux
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I've switched to 100% RDA's for any NET, the Kayfun is such a chore to rebuild in comparison to a dripper and coils for clearomizers are expensive. I use the same premade coils from fast tech, I highly recommend these they are very small and made of thin wire but they really pump out the flavor in a dripper (I use the brass monkey just because it is so easy to build.) I still use my clearos for long work days but with fruit juices, by lunch time I am craving a hit of net off the dripper.
Bill hit the nail on the head IMO. Sweetness of a juice does not necessarily indicate the presence of sugar. I got some confirmation of my suspicions about sugars in tobacco casings from a vendor post. Sugar molecules are much smaller than one micron so you could repeatedly filter through one micron media and still have a result that will gunk coils. Makes sense to me but what the hell do I know, I'm a carpenter not a chemist!
Nice description of Petner's Pipe. I wasn't that impressed either when I tried it, but I put it off to maybe needing more steeping. To me it had an almost artificial taste to it, even though I know that it's a naturally extracted cigar. It even had a funny pinkish color to it on my cotton while vaping. I'll give it another go in a day or two to see if the taste improved.
After all of these discussions I think there are just a lot of variables in the picture; amount of sugar from NET, amount of particulates, the maceration techniques, PG/VG ratio, type of coil used, wattage while vaping and even the wick material to name a few. That being said I'll be experimenting for some time and report back my findings.
Bill hit the nail on the head IMO. Sweetness of a juice does not necessarily indicate the presence of sugar. I got some confirmation of my suspicions about sugars in tobacco casings from a vendor post. Sugar molecules are much smaller than one micron so you could repeatedly filter through one micron media and still have a result that will gunk coils. Makes sense to me but what the hell do I know, I'm a carpenter not a chemist!
Sugar dissolves, we can't filter out anything that dissolves, only particulate that stay in suspension. When you think about it unless you shred your tobacco there shouldn't be much micron sized tobacco in the extract. I know there is but that is from the shredder when they process the tobacco. Maybe a good thing to do is wash the tobacco with a solvent in which the flavors aren't very soluble, like VG. Do that before the extraction and it may was away the tobacco "dust."
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I wouldn't say ether vaps is less strong than net.com, they have maybe less refinement but are still a fantastic vap. I really like elipse and confederate. I also ordered nomad to try. My experience with net.com is limited but all I've tried is like the crem dala crème of nets, hopefully his business will pull thru. I don't like Ahl at all its like comparing apples and oranges and don't consider their processs really produces an authentic tobacco experience but we all have different taste buds..
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Bill hit the nail on the head IMO. Sweetness of a juice does not necessarily indicate the presence of sugar. I got some confirmation of my suspicions about sugars in tobacco casings from a vendor post. Sugar molecules are much smaller than one micron so you could repeatedly filter through one micron media and still have a result that will gunk coils. Makes sense to me but what the hell do I know, I'm a carpenter not a chemist!
Yeah, yeah, you may be a carpenter, but you sure can also build some ultra fine extractions!
I often wondered, to myself, why shoot for the stars when able to leap tall buildings in a single bound is good enough?
Check out the extractor's juices on this site, that have been doing this a while. Your answer will be crystal clear. Even if the liquid isn't.
Apologies to the vendor/author, but I don't find his analysis useful, leave alone conclusive.
The main reason that a mixture of gasoline and water will ignite and burn is the alcohol in the gasoline. the more alcohol, the easier to ignite and the longer the burn. This can be tested by doing the following:
Control Base: pure water (100ml)
Solution #1: pure water with 10ml of pure alcohol
Solution #2: pure water with 30ml of pure alcohol
Solution #3: pure water with 90ml of pure alcohol
If you test the 4 solutions above, you will find that the more alcohol, the easier the solution ignites and the longer the burn.
Therefor, alcohol is the main catalyst for ignition and burn. Gasoline plays a smaller role. You can test this by replacing the water with gasoline and adding the varying amounts of alcohol. You will find the results are negligible.
The main reason that a mixture of gasoline and water will ignite and burn is the alcohol in the gasoline. the more alcohol, the easier to ignite and the longer the burn. This can be tested by doing the following:
Control Base: pure water (100ml)
Solution #1: pure water with 10ml of pure alcohol
Solution #2: pure water with 30ml of pure alcohol
Solution #3: pure water with 90ml of pure alcohol
If you test the 4 solutions above, you will find that the more alcohol, the easier the solution ignites and the longer the burn.
Therefor, alcohol is the main catalyst for ignition and burn. Gasoline plays a smaller role. You can test this by replacing the water with gasoline and adding the varying amounts of alcohol. You will find the results are negligible.
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Checked Moonshine Brew Website. I thought Clay's little corked bottles were unique, but I gotta say Moonshine's jugs are the bee's knees.
Vaping Petner's Pipe again all morning, very satisfying pipe tobacco. If someone's worried that a raisin and rum tobacco vape might be too odd, I don't think they'll find an issue with the flavor, but if someone wants a strong raisin and rum experience they will probably be disappointed. Me, I happen to like this quite a bit.
I think I'll give KillrY4 a session later today when I get home.
I think I'll give KillrY4 a session later today when I get home.
The Two-Tank Test
The test is simple. Take one Aspire Nautilus Mini and vape two tankfuls - about 4ml - through one coil.
Subjectively evaluate the juice for vapor, throat hit, and flavor.
Objectively observe coil life.
Why evaluate juice in an Aspire Mini BVC? Because it appears to be the current best-of-breed clearomizer. It is one step up from entry-level rigs, and one step below RDA's and RBA's. The Bottom Vertical Coil (BVC) head is very transparent, i.e., the ceramic wicking material does not color juice flavor at all, at least to my palate. The Mini BVC is a darned good middle-of-the-road setup. Its convenience and ease-of-use, combined with its flavor transparency make it a standout.
Smokie says the standard loadout of Smug Juice is 70VG/30PG. This shows in the initial shake of the bottle. The very small bubbles produced stay stuck at the top as the juice runs back down the bottle sides more slowly than the usual PG-dominant mix.
About Cuban Perfecto: Sumg Juice says: "You used to have to travel south of the border to taste the flavor of a real Cuban cigar. Now you can get that luxurious taste right here at home with our Cuban Perfecto. The extract is made from 100% Cuban seed tobacco leaves that are aged to perfection.."
So what is Cuban seed tobacco? According to Cigar Advisor, "..when a manufacturer refers to “Cuban seed,” they are most often referring to “heirloom” seeds selected from tobacco plants originally grown from native Cuban seeds." Other sources indicate "Cuban seed" is hybridized from Habano, Corojo, and Criollo varieties.
The juice is a mid-range amber color, darker than SJ's HUMP. I detected little to no aroma from the raw juice itself in my standard 18mg strength.
Vapor: Good to very good, in line with what one would expect from a 70VG/30PG blend.
Throat Hit: Solid. Very good.
Flavor: Smooth. Ephemeral to the point of nonexistence in the Mini tank with air flow set fully open. I took the air flow down a notch. Only then did I start to get recognizable flavor notes. My first thought was, "This is Managua Light", i.e. very reminiscent of Want2Vape's "vision of a dark, oily Corojo-wrapped maduro, lightly toasted." The best I can say is that perhaps Cuban Perfecto needs steep time. I'll try it again in a week or two and see if it improves. But fresh out of the bottle, there's not much to write home about. I ran my ZNA from 8 to 17 watts in one-watt steps, thinking somewhere in that range the flavor would find a place to pop. It didn't.
The Coil: The Aspire Bottom Vertical Coil (BVC) survived one tank, and died quickly in the second as I was taking down the airflow in the search for flavor. Cuban Perfecto gets mid-grade marks for performance. It is probably best in an RDA or RBA.
Notes: Make sure you give more time than normal for the blend to bed into the wicking material to avoid initial dry hits.
The Verdict: Cuban Perfecto is a loser for me. 4/10. I may revise the score when I try this juice after a 7-14 day steep.
The test is simple. Take one Aspire Nautilus Mini and vape two tankfuls - about 4ml - through one coil.
Subjectively evaluate the juice for vapor, throat hit, and flavor.
Objectively observe coil life.
Why evaluate juice in an Aspire Mini BVC? Because it appears to be the current best-of-breed clearomizer. It is one step up from entry-level rigs, and one step below RDA's and RBA's. The Bottom Vertical Coil (BVC) head is very transparent, i.e., the ceramic wicking material does not color juice flavor at all, at least to my palate. The Mini BVC is a darned good middle-of-the-road setup. Its convenience and ease-of-use, combined with its flavor transparency make it a standout.
Smokie says the standard loadout of Smug Juice is 70VG/30PG. This shows in the initial shake of the bottle. The very small bubbles produced stay stuck at the top as the juice runs back down the bottle sides more slowly than the usual PG-dominant mix.
About Cuban Perfecto: Sumg Juice says: "You used to have to travel south of the border to taste the flavor of a real Cuban cigar. Now you can get that luxurious taste right here at home with our Cuban Perfecto. The extract is made from 100% Cuban seed tobacco leaves that are aged to perfection.."
So what is Cuban seed tobacco? According to Cigar Advisor, "..when a manufacturer refers to “Cuban seed,” they are most often referring to “heirloom” seeds selected from tobacco plants originally grown from native Cuban seeds." Other sources indicate "Cuban seed" is hybridized from Habano, Corojo, and Criollo varieties.
The juice is a mid-range amber color, darker than SJ's HUMP. I detected little to no aroma from the raw juice itself in my standard 18mg strength.
Vapor: Good to very good, in line with what one would expect from a 70VG/30PG blend.
Throat Hit: Solid. Very good.
Flavor: Smooth. Ephemeral to the point of nonexistence in the Mini tank with air flow set fully open. I took the air flow down a notch. Only then did I start to get recognizable flavor notes. My first thought was, "This is Managua Light", i.e. very reminiscent of Want2Vape's "vision of a dark, oily Corojo-wrapped maduro, lightly toasted." The best I can say is that perhaps Cuban Perfecto needs steep time. I'll try it again in a week or two and see if it improves. But fresh out of the bottle, there's not much to write home about. I ran my ZNA from 8 to 17 watts in one-watt steps, thinking somewhere in that range the flavor would find a place to pop. It didn't.
The Coil: The Aspire Bottom Vertical Coil (BVC) survived one tank, and died quickly in the second as I was taking down the airflow in the search for flavor. Cuban Perfecto gets mid-grade marks for performance. It is probably best in an RDA or RBA.
Notes: Make sure you give more time than normal for the blend to bed into the wicking material to avoid initial dry hits.
The Verdict: Cuban Perfecto is a loser for me. 4/10. I may revise the score when I try this juice after a 7-14 day steep.
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I havent tried the others to compare and thus couldnt answer... However, I would recommend adding Confederate to your order if you like Perique (and even if you dont).. It is in my top 3, along with Top Leaf and Nomad.
Great I was going to say too late I ordered but they emailed me if I wanted another flav to sample for free
so Confederate it is
This is a copy and paste of a review I posted on the EV forum:
My reviews are not eloquent as many of you nor have I have been a pipe/cigar smoker however here are my thoughts about EV Confederate. From EV’s website: "Virginia tobaccos spiced with Louisiana Perique and to smooth it out a hint of Black Cavendish. This is a more robust and stronger flavored Tobacco. It is Southern style Tobacco at its best.” I’ve had Virginia and Black Cavendish tobaccos and I was most curious to try Perique so I asked Vash for a small sample. Instead he sent 12 mls – thanks Vash – with his comment that he felt I would like it. Right he was. The Virginia is not overly sweet (I don’t care for very sweet eliquids) and was perfect. The one tobacco that I did not recognize I knew was the Perique being this is the first for me. It was nothing that I expected although I was not quite sure what to expect and found it to be easy to vape. The combination of the various tobaccos and a little smokiness with a iittle sweetness makes Confederate an ADV for me. This is not an in-your-face NET and instead has enough flavor intensity in a nice way so as not to be so subtle. I will definitely reorder this the next time I place an order. Good job EV!
My reviews are not eloquent as many of you nor have I have been a pipe/cigar smoker however here are my thoughts about EV Confederate. From EV’s website: "Virginia tobaccos spiced with Louisiana Perique and to smooth it out a hint of Black Cavendish. This is a more robust and stronger flavored Tobacco. It is Southern style Tobacco at its best.” I’ve had Virginia and Black Cavendish tobaccos and I was most curious to try Perique so I asked Vash for a small sample. Instead he sent 12 mls – thanks Vash – with his comment that he felt I would like it. Right he was. The Virginia is not overly sweet (I don’t care for very sweet eliquids) and was perfect. The one tobacco that I did not recognize I knew was the Perique being this is the first for me. It was nothing that I expected although I was not quite sure what to expect and found it to be easy to vape. The combination of the various tobaccos and a little smokiness with a iittle sweetness makes Confederate an ADV for me. This is not an in-your-face NET and instead has enough flavor intensity in a nice way so as not to be so subtle. I will definitely reorder this the next time I place an order. Good job EV!
I'm not into sweet stuff. Dark Horse,Huntsman,Gaia and Legend were recommended to me
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