I had that problem with my magma when I was using chimney coils. Now that I use horizontal coils. I can just remove the tip and drip. Aim directly between the positive post and negative post. While dripping slowly. Also try putting your fingers over the air holes. While dripping. Keep the fingers there. At the same time take a pull on the drip tip. This should clear any juice from the air holes and stop leaking.
Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux
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R. Oullette must think he is blending tobacco for smoking rather than for vaping.
Yes, I'm well aware that smoking and vaping are very different experiences. Some elements of the smoking experience do not translate at all to vaping. Burning characteristics from cool to hot are meaningless to vapers, as are moisture of the blend and how the cut packs in a bowl. On the other hand, the basic flavor character of different kinds of tobacco seems to apply in both worlds. Differences in taste may be more about the delivery system---smoke from burning versus the ultra-fine mist from vaporizing---than the source tobacco. I mean, when we talk about Virginia's bright sweetness, the nuttiness of Burley, smokiness of Latakia, or spice of Perique, those qualities do seem to apply from one medium to the other.
Literally many hundreds of years have been devoted to refining the business and art of tobacco growing, processing, and blending---all of it exclusively for smoking. By contrast, vaping is a newborn wrapped in swaddling clothes. No flavorings of any kind yet exist that were created specifically for vaping. We're porting everything from different platforms (food and smoking), learning what works and what doesn't.
I did read many reviews from pipe smokers about Steamroller. The usual diversity of opinion applied: a few people loved it, a few hated it, but the overall sentiment was not especially positive, and for much the same reasons as my complaints: too many ingredients, not enough harmony, a vanilla flavor casing that obscured the tobacco, and a general bluntness rather than refinement.
Just recently some discussion occurred on the thread about the differences between purely personal reactions to a juice (i.e., liking it or not) and the more general perception of quality. I feel confident that my "review" of Steamroller as an NET extract was more about its unsuitability as a tobacco flavor than merely my own personal reaction of not liking it. Knowing that opinions vary, I'd still bet that most of my compatriots on this thread would share my judgment about Steamroller.
boomer,
I've pretty much settled on a range of 14-20% with my pipe tobacco extracts. The particular sample bottle of Steamroller I mixed used 20% extract. I don't think a lower percentage of extract would improve it, however. The extraction itself is fine---a deep caramel transparency that is well-filtered. I fear it's just not a blend that works well as an NET.
My post was meant as a general addendum for the community at large. I wasn't questioning your taste buds. From my experience you seem to understand the difference quite well.
Yes, I got that. My response was intended to add more, not challenge what you wrote.
If we were sitting in a bar or restaurant having this discussion, body language, verbal tone, and other nuances would make it clear if any offense were being taken. With just the written word, however, that's sometimes less than obvious.
No harm, no foul. It's all just us shootin' the breeze.
I had a conversation once with Wlad about Smooth Criminal's components that told me either something or nothing about SC, and left me feeling like I had tried to pin down a master chef about a recipe. It was a long time ago, but as I remember went like this:
Me: So, what is in Smooth Criminal?
W: Just tobacco.
Me: JUST tobacco?!
W: Basically.
Me: Basically?
W: Essentially.
Me: Essentially?
W: Yes.
Unlike most of you, I guess, I can vape SC all day for days on end. I don't -- because there are other flavors I also love -- but I could relatively painlessly become an ADV guy with this juice. Essentially.
Anyone have a link to the original Natural Tobacco thread? I did a search for "natural tobacco" and got 3118 threads! Went through a few pages before I decided to just ask. Thought I had it bookmarked/subscribed but I guess I removed it when this one opened. Trying to do some research ....
There is a common spice flavor in Smooth Criminal and MOVs Chai Tea Latte. I don't know which spice or combination of spices it is, but it's there. It's also in the Mystic Chai Spiced Tea mix that my wife gets at Sam's Club and that has a list of ingredients on the label including cinnamon, clove, cardamon, anise, ginger, and vanilla extract from Madagascar. Well aged Smooth Criminal is good but can't hold my interest long.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-liquid-discussion/274904-natural-tobaccos.html
We usually link the previous thread in the first post of the new one.
Scrap the Anise and Vanilla and you've got the recipe for an Indian Masala (Spiced) Chai.
Can't say that I got that from SC. I'll have to revisit it to confirm.
Vaping Sutliff Burley Delight 212 tonight, which I heat extracted last year. This is still the closest I have gotten to W2V Louisville, having some of the taste but not the intensity. If anyone has any suggestions for a blend more like Louisville, I'd love to extract it!
That drink mix tastes like a spiced hot chocolate with the spices replacing the chocolate. Nice winter, before bed drink.
Jerms cursed me previously for mentioning the spice connection I get in SC! If you have MOV's Chai Tea Latte, try em back to back and you'll see what I'm talking about.
No Chai Tea Latte. The only juices I've ordered from MOV are their NET's and I made the mistake of ordering their Silver Label Arti's last year, which was a mistake as I did not much care for them. Similar to HHV, I don't really know what else they have on their menu beyond the tobaccos because I've really not looked at any of the other offerings.
MVJ's Sutliff Blue Danube. Another lightly flavoured juice, even after 2 months of steep time. I can't say that I dislike the lighter flavour because it does let me use it in the KFL's, but there are times when I wish it was a bit bumped up.
Blue Danube could use some bumping up in flavour. It presents itself as a mild, nutty, slightly sweet tobacco. The Burley and Virginias come through clearly but I had to turn up the heat to get them to represent themselves. I'm not getting much else out of it from a casings perspective.
Simple and clean burning.
Blue Danube could use some bumping up in flavour. It presents itself as a mild, nutty, slightly sweet tobacco. The Burley and Virginias come through clearly but I had to turn up the heat to get them to represent themselves. I'm not getting much else out of it from a casings perspective.
Simple and clean burning.
After some research and a lot of tasting I think I have uncovered which Sangria I am vaping. 
Sutliff says theirs is a burley/cavendish with citrus and vintage wine. I don't really get any citrus from the vape. However, Milan says theirs has Virginia in with the b/c blend and hints of spice and cherry. I definitely get a hint of virginia body and sweetness. I also get the hint of spice from time to time. So, I'm casting my vote for MFT's Sangria being the Milan version. It only took about 30ml to get 75% certain.
Sutliff says theirs is a burley/cavendish with citrus and vintage wine. I don't really get any citrus from the vape. However, Milan says theirs has Virginia in with the b/c blend and hints of spice and cherry. I definitely get a hint of virginia body and sweetness. I also get the hint of spice from time to time. So, I'm casting my vote for MFT's Sangria being the Milan version. It only took about 30ml to get 75% certain.
I hear ya! I can count all the non-tobacco juices I've ordered on one hand. I'm sure some of the good NET vendors have some good non-tobacco offerings but you couldn't prove it by me!No Chai Tea Latte. The only juices I've ordered from MOV are their NET's and I made the mistake of ordering their Silver Label Arti's last year, which was a mistake as I did not much care for them. Similar to HHV, I don't really know what else they have on their menu beyond the tobaccos because I've really not looked at any of the other offerings.
How about non-Net tobaccos? There were some vendors at VapeCan (the big meet we had recently in Toronto) that had some "Tobacco" flavoured juices. One of them was giving away free bottles, so I grabbed a Black Honey Tobacco from them, brought it home and loaded it up in a KFL. PHEEEWWWWW!! crazy floral with a seriously sour room note which could have only been the honey.
It took me 2 days of having the windows open and the fan going in my Den before I was able to walk in there and not smell it. This was from 5 minutes of vaping it.
The flavour has permeated the KFL and even the inside of the pipe stem I was using. Nasty.. just plan nasty!
How about non-Net tobaccos? There were some vendors at VapeCan (the big meet we had recently in Toronto) that had some "Tobacco" flavoured juices. One of them was giving away free bottles, so I grabbed a Black Honey Tobacco from them, brought it home and loaded it up in a KFL. PHEEEWWWWW!! crazy floral with a seriously sour room note which could have only been the honey.
It took me 2 days of having the windows open and the fan going in my Den before I was able to walk in there and not smell it. This was from 5 minutes of vaping it.
The flavour has permeated the KFL and even the inside of the pipe stem I was using. Nasty.. just plan nasty!
That is one of the reasons I switched to nothing but nets. My wife was constantly complaining about the room note from every synthetic I tried. Even Mister-E-Liquid's Copper Head annoyed her. There have only been two nets that she found disagreeable. One was Boomer's Obsidian. She swore it made her clothes smell like a burnt tire.
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