Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

[love coffee]

I, personally, really like Ethervapes but I am by far not nearly as experienced with NETs as most of you.

I've tried quite a few of EtherVapes NETs and I'd recommend them for A-tier! They have some GREAT NETs and among some of the cleanest I've ever vaped.

Just my , but I like to give credit where credit is due!

Edited to add: OOPS - late to the party, and just saw that EV was already "promoted"!

 

[Dusty_D]

I've tried quite a few of EtherVapes NETs and I'd recommend them for A-tier! They have some GREAT NETs and among some of the cleanest I've ever vaped.

Just my , but I like to give credit where credit is due!

Edited to add: OOPS - late to the party, and just saw that EV was already "promoted"!

Thank you for sharing the love..

 

[Dusty_D]

I have this sampler pack from Nirvana Vapor that I bought.. I forget when, during a sale. Haven't tried them yet, so today I dripped the one tobacco that's included; Ohm, which is a honey artibacco.

Like most synthetic honey tobaccos it tastes like cat piss, and leaves the stinky smell in the air of a homeless man who's wet himself several times since the last change of underwear. Urine for a golden shower of notes here. If you can look pass the pissy honey (which I can, I've vaped my share of pissy honey vapes) there's some interesting things going on.

I bet there's a decent arti underneath the tangy piss. Seems very 'premium', whatever that means. I'm sure the non-baccos in the sampler will fair better, the exotic recipes like spiced coconut milk and pomegranate boba tea with lychee jelly. Ohm though won't be reached for unless I'm feeling freaky and/or kinky.

There was a company giving away free 30ml bottles of juice at the last Vape convention here in Toronto. Of all the juices, I could have picked, what did I pick?! Yup.. Honey tobacco.

Cat Piss or Racoon Piss.. the jury is out on that one, but it went straight into the bin after those first few hits!

 

[y cherry y]

Thanks much for the info. I can see there's no reason for me to try them again lol. I have Patel's The Edge and Easy Times and I use rebuildable drippers with KGD cotton or CelluCotton rayon.

I can almost guarantee you'll find something to like about W2V's Signature Blends such as London Blend, Paris, and Louisiana Blend. They are gunky, too gunky for many here, but not nearly at the level as WalkerT. Very dark, potent, high impact tobaccos with no other additives.

You're saying Walker is gunkier than Paris?! That seems nearly impossible.

 

[billherbst]

You're saying Walker is gunkier than Paris?! That seems nearly impossible.

From what I've read, apparently there's a picture of a Walker's NET in the dictionary next to the word "gunky."

 

[Smocian257]

There was a company giving away free 30ml bottles of juice at the last Vape convention here in Toronto. Of all the juices, I could have picked, what did I pick?! Yup.. Honey Tobacco.

Cat Piss or Racoon Piss.. the jury is out on that one, but it went straight into the bin after those first few hits!

For a non NET "sweet" tobacco , i'd go uncle junks "john wayne" if memory serves its a liqour / tobacco flavor. Honeyesque with no cat piss. Expensive though.

 

[MikeNice81]

Mike, straight VG juices will be much sweeter, I usually run 50/50 or 25/75 on mine since refining my Home Extracts. The T3, while a good tank, could bring the sweetness forward, I'd suggest trying them using an atomizer, disposable or rebuildable, and see if some of the Tobacco steps forward.

I might try dripping them on the 510s you sent. Diluting them really isn't an option. I do know that in a month or two there will be some MVJ nets going in to the PIF thread. This may be one of the biggest yet.

 

[Dusty_D]

For a non NET "sweet" tobacco , i'd go uncle junks "john wayne" if memory serves its a liqour / tobacco flavor. Honeyesque with no cat piss. Expensive though.

Thanks for the recommendation. I can't promise that I'll make a concerted effort to acquire another honeyesque tobacco, but if I happen to come across it, I promise I'll give it a shot.

 

[MikeNice81]

There was a company giving away free 30ml bottles of juice at the last Vape convention here in Toronto. Of all the juices, I could have picked, what did I pick?! Yup.. Honey Tobacco.

Cat Piss or Racoon Piss.. the jury is out on that one, but it went straight into the bin after those first few hits!

I went to a gathering not to long ago and ended up with 7ml of Honeysuckle arti-bacco. Never again. It tasted like a raccoon ...... on a rose petal and wrapped it around perfume soaked tobacco. My friend said the room note reminded him of, "that dollar store body spray that strippers use."

 

[Jerms]

You're saying Walker is gunkier than Paris?! That seems nearly impossible.

You know that "atty refresher" that W2V sells? Well, Paris could be used as atty refresher in between vapes of WalkerT.

 

[Dusty_D]

You know that "atty refresher" that W2V sells? Well, Paris could be used as atty refresher in between vapes of WalkerT.

Shut your face!!!

Do not post the link to wherever that evil can be found..

Nope! Don't want to see it, don't want to know of it..

 

[Jerms]

KillRY4 by River Bottom Fog Sauce (RBFS) available online at www.vapingwatch.com

The Juice: Site description, "A mixture of mainly burley and Cavendish with a sprinkling of Virginia, it is cased with flavorings closely mirroring an RY4."

The Hardware: Mech with Atomic dripper, 1ohm micro coil of 28ga Kanthal, Koh Gen Do wick.

Ratings are from 1-5 depending on where a juice falls in an attributes spectrum. Only the last rating, "overall", is based on 5 being the best. (For sweetness 1 equals very dry and 5 equals very sweet. For tobacco impact 1 equals very mild tobacco and 5 equals very aggressive and/or complex.)

Sweetness: 4.5. The site says "Without a doubt the sweetest Fog Sauce in the line-up." They speak the truth, this is a very sweet vape. Thankfully, the sweetness that comes from the flavorings the tobacco is cased with is fully natural tasting, none of the artificial sweet notes often found in very sweet vapes that can make those sickenly. It's not a rich sweetness found in some NET RY4s that have a strong caramel presence. Instead, it's more like a sweet pastry and I even get a sort of ethyl maltol cotton candy hint.

Tobacco Impact: 2. Even while being heavily cased, the flavor of the tobacco does come through and plays an important role. It's a nice Burley and Virginia that makes this a dessert tobacco instead of just dessert.

Vapability: 4.5. I find KillRY4 much more vapable than many other juices that are this sweet. Partly because it's not a candy or artificial sweetness, and also because for me it just plain tastes very good. I reach for it often, and don't get tired of it during long sessions. There's a complexity to the flavor, offering many different notes that fade in and out, that keeps me interested during active tasting. I also grab for it when just wanting something sweet and tasty.

Flavor Accuracy: 3.5. The site does a very good job at describing this NET. There's just one glaring issue for me; it's sold as an RY4 but for me isn't exactly one. RY4 is tobacco, vanilla, and caramel. I'm not getting caramel or vanilla, I get tobacco with a pastry sweetness. Oddly enough, classic RY4s have unified flavor of the three elements that at times comes through here, so in a certain way it works as one, but it's really more of a dessert tobacco to me.

Overall: 4. I've been enjoying KillRY4 a lot, it's one of the best dessert tobaccos I've had. I've used the term 'dessert' a lot in this review and I really mean it, if you don't have a sweet tooth this probably won't work. I do have a sweet tooth, and KillRY4 more than satisfied it.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

jerms, very nice review. thank you.

 

[y cherry y]

You know that "atty refresher" that W2V sells? Well, Paris could be used as atty refresher in between vapes of WalkerT.

Sounds like it's out of my wheelhouse. I gave up on atties with Paris and began applying it directly to the soles of my feet.

 

[fouroulou]

You're saying Walker is gunkier than Paris?! That seems nearly impossible.

As soon as my Paris gets here I will be happy to post a comparison. But what you all have against gunk anyway?

 

[billherbst]

Nice KillR Y4 review, Jerms!

Here's mine, posted to the RY4 thread back on June 10, 2014, with an update at the bottom;

RY4 Review: KillR Y4 from River Bottom Fog Sauce through VapingWatch

Specs: The 30ml bottle of River Bottom Fog Sauce KillR Y4 sent to me for free by Brian through VapingWatch contains a medium-caramel-colored liquid with a slight but pleasing nose mixed at 16mg nic in either a 60/40 or 40/60 PG/VG base (I can’t remember which). I didn’t steep the juice very long because RBFS juices are supposed to be steeped for three weeks before sale. Testing was done in my old-school way, by dripping the liquid into a standard JoyeTech 2.2 ohm 510 atomizer powered by a VAMO v3 set to 9 watts RMS. I also loaded the juice into a CE2 Ultimate Clearomizer, which is now antiquated technology, but still the JDS I use to test-compare RY4s head-to-head, since about 80 of my 160 RY4s are loaded into those particular clearos.

From the VapingWatch product page description:

“A mixture of mainly burley and Cavendish with a sprinkling of Virginia, [KillR Y4] is cased with flavorings closely mirroring an RY4. Without a doubt the sweetest Fog Sauce in the line-up. Both the taste and the aroma are in that sweet spot of pastry, cotton candy, maple syrup and molasses, making it easy to recommend this as a perfect dessert vape. KillrY4 would be perfect for someone looking to try Naturally Extracted Tobacco for the 1st time.”

I presume that Brian put together his own tobacco blend and infused the other flavorings. But maybe not. If a commercial blend was used, I’d sure like to know what it is, although asking would be impolite.

KillR Y4 is a NET-based RY4, which is to say an RY4 that uses natural tobacco extract flavoring rather than synthetic, lab-based tobacco flavor. That makes it, by definition, a Custom (rather than Classic) RY4, whose main competition comes from four other NET-based Custom retail RY4s---VapeRite VR4, GoodEJuice GJ4, MountainOakVapors Full Virginia Flake RY4, and QuickNicJuice ouR whY qu4tro. I’d include Rogue RY4 from MyVapeJuice as the fifth, but Diane doesn’t seem to offer Rogue RY4 any more. Other NET-based retail Custom RY4s are available, but the four I listed are deservedly the most popular and well-known.

[Note: I’m not including Want2Vape RY4, since I have the DIY version made from w2v’s all-in-one flavoring, and I’m also not including RY4s that use Tobacco Absolute in the group (Mom&PopVaporShop RY4 and RY4v2, Moondrop RY42, and others), because TA has its own eccentric flavor profile, and TA-based RY4s taste decidedly different than NET-based RY4s.]

The tobacco element of Classic RY4s is effectively “hidden”---neutral synthetic tobacco provides a base flavor, which is then merged with caramel, vanilla, and sometimes other flavors, into a single unified taste. Custom RY4s separate the flavors and highlight their individual tastes. NET-based RY4s add the additional element of authentic tobacco flavor, which often leads. GeJ GJ4 makes tobacco the star, backed by assistance from caramel and vanilla that are present but not quite center-stage. GJ4 is clearly the most tobacco-dominant of the top-tier NET group (and the least RY4-like), followed by MOV FVF RY4, which is better balanced, then QnJ ouR whY qu4tro, which is both balanced and assertive in all its flavors. RBFS KillR Y4 has the least tobacco presence of any NET-based RY4 I’ve vaped. Oh, it’s there, but it’s not strong. KillR Y4 reminds me of RBFS Pirate’s Drunken Sweet Tooth, except with even more sweetness of a type that---as the description states---“mirrors an RY4.”

On my first draw of KillR Y4, my brain whispered three words: “Sweet, very sweet.” Is it dessert sweet? Yes, definitely. Pastry? Maple syrup? Molasses? I can’t discern any particular kind of sweetness, except that the sweet flavors---whatever they happen to be---are soft, expansive, and close enough to caramel-vanilla to qualify this juice as an RY4. In overall flavor profile, I’d put KillR Y4 midway between the rich caramel of VapeRite VR4 and the even-tempered tobacco/caramel/vanilla of QuickNic ouR whY qu4tro.

Would KillR Y4 be better with a stronger tobacco presence? For me, the answer is yes, but I understand that a change in the balance can alter a juice like this in unexpected ways. Perhaps Brian’s stated target audience of “someone looking to try Naturally Extracted Tobacco for the 1st time” is a savvy marketing decision.

Will NET veterans or those who love unadorned tobacco flavors enjoy KillR Y4? Perhaps, but only for about five minutes. In addition, RY4 aficionados who lean away from sweet, dessert-style RY4s can look elsewhere. Move on. Nothing here to see.

For dessert RY4 lovers who want a natural tobacco presence that doesn’t overwhelm or compete with the sweetness, KillR Y4 could be the answer to their prayers. Also, anyone who likes sweet juices in general would be well advised to give KillR Y4 a try.

I’m interested to see how time affects KillR Y4. Will steeping diminish the sweetness somewhat? Will it bring the tobacco forward more? VR4 and ouR whY qu4tro are best fresh. Both are serious reverse-steepers, as they lose over time some of what makes them special. In VR4’s case the caramel gets funky, and ouR whY qu4tro loses much of its almost effervescent sparkle, punch, and some of its vapor production. By contrast, GeJ GJ4 and MOV FVF RY4 both hold their own with great stability over time. They’re every bit as good after a year as they were on Day One. We’ll see how well KillR Y4 holds up to long-term steeping.

Update: I just grabbed my CE2 clearo of KillR Y4 and vaped it for awhile. I find it very much like what I remember from June. The tobacco is stronger, but not by much, and the sweetness hasn't diminished. The juice didn't lose any brightness because it wasn't particularly bright to begin with. It's closer now to MOV Full Virginia Flake RY4 and further away from QnJ ouR whY qu4tro. In the final analysis, I agree with Jerms: RBFS KillR Y4 just squeaks in under the wire as an RY4 (in part because of its name), but it's more accuratel a sweet dessert tobacco blend.

At this point, my favorite of the NET-based RY4s is GoodEJuice GJ4---Jerms recently gifted me with a new sample bottle of GJ4 , and freshness made all the difference over my two-year-old version---followed by MountainOakVapors FVF RY4 and IndigoVapors Naturally RY.

 

[Vicman]

Nice reviews for KillerY4 Jerms and Bill. My order from RBFS came in and that was included; been dying to try that, Count Caramel, and Poet and Scholar. These reviews have only made me want to try it more. However, the day my order came in I was the unfortunate recipient of my nephews chest/head cold he had on Thanksgiving. Since that day I have not been able to taste anything and my vaping has been down to next to nothing. Not sure if it is just irony or Karma that let me get in on a once in a lifetime type of sale and then told me I would have to wait to partake in it.

 

[checkum]

Nice reviews for KillerY4 Jerms and Bill. My order from RBFS came in and that was included; been dying to try that, Count Caramel, and Poet and Scholar. These reviews have only made me want to try it more. However, the day my order came in I was the unfortunate recipient of my nephews chest/head cold he had on Thanksgiving. Since that day I have not been able to taste anything and my vaping has been down to next to nothing. Not sure if it is just irony or Karma that let me get in on a once in a lifetime type of sale and then told me I would have to wait to partake in it.

From past experience, all the RBFS's extracts I have ever ordered, tasted MUCH better after an extended steep of 3 to 12 weeks and more. Just keep testing them periodically to find your sweet spot.

 

[AnthonyB]

Shut your face!!!

Do not post the link to wherever that evil can be found..

Nope! Don't want to see it, don't want to know of it..

I mixed Walkers Cohiba Havana at 30% with unflavored PG. It still has much flavor as any cigar extract out there.

The secret is in mixing it with PG. The extracts, which the vendor Ken Walker, recommends are vaped as they are with no mixing, are extracted in 100% VG.

The trick is in mixing them in flavorless PG. It opens up the flavor profile and reduces gunking.


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[Jerms]

Bill, I like how you describe the sweet flavors of KillRY4 being soft and expansive in a way similar to caramel-vanilla. I agree, and that's how the juice somehow feels like RY4 while lacking obvious caramel and vanilla notes. Unlike Gold Rising from Ahl that calls itself RY4 but gets it's sweetness purely from a tangy honey flavor that's not at all reminiscent to an RY4.

Some of the RY4s I've had in the 'classic' genre don't have obvious caramel and vanilla notes since the way those flavors plus the tobacco combine creates a unified flavor of sweet artibacco, a phenomenon you've often described. But if I look close for them, the caramel and vanilla are found. KillRY4 offers the same style of sweetness, but when I look for caramel and vanilla I don't find them. Instead it brings to mind things such as pastry, cake with icing, cotton candy, and other sweetly delicious desserts.

The way the sweet flavors sort of mimic the sweetness in classic RY4s, I can accept the maker categorizing it as RY4. It's actually impressive to me how close it is while lacking 2 out 3 ingredients in the holy trinity. Personally though, if I'm craving an RY4 it doesn't scratch that itch for me like the Volt and GeJ versions I have on hand do. When I want dessert though, which has been often lately, KillRY4 is certainly killer!