Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

[AnthonyB]

Actually Bill,

I have it on authority that some people would have liked to see that question answered in the thread. I think viewers would be interested in your response given the rave reviews your liquids have received.

Anthony,

I've responded to your questions in a PM. Discussing relatively technical issues of tobacco extraction is a subject that treads a fine line here between general interest and a minority sub-specialty, so in this instance I chose to not risk hijacking the thread by posting my response publicly.

 

[MikeNice81]

Sangria is about 3.5ml down and still vaping very well. It isn't MVJ clean, but it is light years ahead of netcom. I would say it is in the HHV neighborhood. I'm still getting a good toasty black cavendish taste with a hint of burley and a bit of virginia. It appears that my T3D tank was the flavor issue and not the head. I switched it over to my Mini PT3 and a good chunk of the flavor came back.

At this point in the vaping cycle netcom would being clogging and dumping in my Kanger heads. A rinse of the head would leave me with darker water and possibly something the color of cigarette ash. With MFT's liquid I'm still thinking, "this is what a tobacco vape should taste like."

 

[rdsok]

Actually Bill,

I have it on authority that some people would have liked to see that question answered in the thread. I think viewers would be interested in your response given the rave reviews your liquids have received.

Certainly.... but getting nondisclosure agreements signed is much easier done in a PM than a thread....

 

[regal55]

Not really. Totally different beasts.

I once compared H1N1 to a HALO tobacco, especially their later ones like Voodoo and Southern Classic: a complex mix of light tobacco and myriad other flavors that coalesce into a chimera of a liquid depending on vaping technique, temperature, steep time, etc. But the tobacco sort of gets lost in the mix.

HHV, on the other hand: it is what it is but done exceptionally well. Solid, flavorful, but tobacco nonetheless.

H1N1 lost me with the predominant peanut flavor, otherwise I would enjoy it more. I look forward to trying Radioactive, their other NET offering... someday.

The only thing they would have in common is H1N1 could be called a dessert tobacco, like a few of HHV's NETs, but as stated, HHV's NETs have more tobacco presence than H1N1.

People are worried about high jacking the thread while we have too many posts in e-cigarette-forum speak. How is a relative newby supposed to decipher all these acronyms?

 

[Mr.Mann]

People are worried about high jacking the thread while we have too many posts in e-cigarette-forum speak. How is a relative newby supposed to decipher all these acronyms?

Dude, you seem to be stuck on this "hi jacking" bit. H1N1 is the name of a liquid, and HHV is damned near synomous now with Heather's Heavenly Vapes. A newbie is supposed to do do what anyone with a search engine does: search/read. Quick and painless.

DVap, the original creator of WTA, invited you to talk about the other topics elsewhere. He is awesome, so take him up on his offer and you will also see how quickly that conversation will be inappropriate for this thread (I will even start the thread as the discussion is at least one that others may want to read about). Sorry to come off like this, but that horse being kicked is dead already.

You can always comment on his blogs about these topics:

NETs Versus WTA
WTA - What it is & What it isn't
Soaking tobacco for nicotine and flavor - A chemists' perspective

 

[Mr.Mann]

Anyway, regal55, if you are interested in getting a custom flavor (citrus tobacco), Bryan at Highbrow Vapor will make a liquid for you regarding your specs (or at least close to). I don't know if you will like it, but it could be a good reference point.

 

[Blacks_n_Jacks]

Not really. Totally different beasts.

I once compared H1N1 to a HALO tobacco, especially their later ones like Voodoo and Southern Classic: a complex mix of light tobacco and myriad other flavors that coalesce into a chimera of a liquid depending on vaping technique, temperature, steep time, etc. But the tobacco sort of gets lost in the mix.

HHV, on the other hand: it is what it is but done exceptionally well. Solid, flavorful, but tobacco nonetheless.

H1N1 lost me with the predominant peanut flavor, otherwise I would enjoy it more. I look forward to trying Radioactive, their other NET offering... someday.

The only thing they would have in common is H1N1 could be called a dessert tobacco, like a few of HHV's NETs, but as stated, HHV's NETs have more tobacco presence than H1N1.

Yes, the peanuts. I knew I forgot another notch in its profile.

I'm not sure how or if you think I was taking a shot at HHV, but I wasn't. I would pay for ten bottles of Serendipity and Legend before vaping a gifted H1N1.

I've never had Halo liquids and thus can't compare them with HHV liquids or The Virus. But I agree about the tobacco getting "lost in the sauce."

 

[Dusty_D]

Yes, the peanuts. I knew I forgot another notch in its profile.

I'm not sure how or if you think I was taking a shot at HHV, but I wasn't. I would pay for ten bottles of Serendipity and Legend before vaping a gifted H1N1.

I've never had Halo liquids and thus can't compare them with HHV liquids or The Virus. But I agree about the tobacco getting "lost in the sauce."

Unless you plan on going with Tribeca, don't bother wasting your time with most other Halo tobaccos. Mmmmm Tribeca!! I need to load up a tank one of these days. I miss it!

 

[jefsview]

People are worried about high jacking the thread while we have too many posts in e-cigarette-forum speak. How is a relative newby supposed to decipher all these acronyms?

The only acronym was "HHV" which is Heather's Heavenly Vapes, which was noted in the Quote used in my post. H1N1 is the original name of the eliquid before the recent change to "The Virus."

 

[jefsview]

Yes, the peanuts. I knew I forgot another notch in its profile.

I'm not sure how or if you think I was taking a shot at HHV, but I wasn't. I would pay for ten bottles of Serendipity and Legend before vaping a gifted H1N1.

I've never had Halo liquids and thus can't compare them with HHV liquids or The Virus. But I agree about the tobacco getting "lost in the sauce."

No, I didn't think you were taking a shot. H1N1 from Nicoticket (The Virus) is a dessert tobacco, but it is complex and shifting. I could say it's more like Smooth Criminal (SC), but I've never tasted SC -- which is from Ahlusion. I have used HALO artibaccos (synthetic tobaccos flavors) so that is where I draw my comparisons from.

HHV (Heather's Heavenly Vapes) gets knocked sometimes for being light on the tobacco aspect -- but compared to Halo or Nicoticket, HHV has a strong, robust impact

 

[MikeNice81]

People are worried about high jacking the thread while we have too many posts in e-cigarette-forum speak. How is a relative newby supposed to decipher all these acronyms?

You open up the first page of this thread in a separate tab and refer back to it as needed. That is what I did. Yes jargon can make it hard, but writing every post to the lowest level would probably bog down the thread and make it boring.

How about a better suggestion? Stop complaining until you've actually got a few more posts under your belt. Ask a question if you have it, read up to get some knowledge, and take an appropriate approach to being constructive. This is the second or third time you've felt it necessary to ..... about how things are done in this thread or set down rules to some one with way more time invested here. Stop. It is a quick way to wear out your welcome and make people stop helping you.

 

[boomerdude]

Well I can't imagine why folks would use ECF speak in the ECF forum.Sometimes a poster's style of writing may rub people the wrong way and they take what is written to be pedantic or get steamed because the poster is new to the hobby and finds searching threads for information aggravating. Try to remember, it's not our fault your new. All of us slogged through the learning curve. I play a game with myself trying to figure out E-cig speak. If I can't figure it out, usually reading back a bit will clear things up. Or one can ask.

People are worried about high jacking the thread while we have too many posts in e-cigarette-forum speak. How is a relative newby supposed to decipher all these acronyms?

 

[Dustmight]

Well I can't imagine why folks would use ECF speak in the ECF forum.Sometimes a poster's style of writing may rub people the wrong way and they take what is written to be pedantic or get steamed because the poster is new to the hobby and finds searching threads for information aggravating. Try to remember, it's not our fault your new. All of us slogged through the learning curve. I play a game with myself trying to figure out E-cig speak. If I can't figure it out, usually reading back a bit will clear things up. Or one can ask.

OMFG, like how sometimes you're really in the mood for SC from A+, after you've tried a ton of hits and misses from HHV. When I don't want to deal with gunking NETs like W2V or some of my home brews I usually reach for MVJ or MOV's FVF RY4.

 

[jefsview]

OMFG, like how sometimes you're really in the mood for SC from A+, after you've tried a ton of hits and misses from HHV. When I don't want to deal with gunking NETs like W2V or some of my home brews I usually reach for MVJ or MOV's FVF RY4.

 

[Mr.Mann]

If anyone here has ever wanted to try Pure Smoke from want2vape, now would be a good time to check it out.

What a wonderful holiday weekend complete with parades and marching bands. We hope you all had a great holiday as well.

So recently we asked what flavor of the week YOU wanted to see on sale and PURE Smoke came up repeatedly.

So here it is by popular demand

PURE Smoke
FOTW 20% off.

We've blended one of our top selling tobacco extracts with our PURE flavor and created PURE “Smoke” for those who want a clean tobacco vape.

This is a 50/50 PG/VG Blend.

He asked what flavor should he have on sale and I suggested Pure Smoke, so here it is! Check him out on his sub-forum.

p.s. I don't know what the hell FOTW means! LOL

 

[Jerms]

Been vaping Bill's extraction of Carlos Torano Exodus 1959 cigar since last night. Like the Rocky Patel, it tastes like something in the W2V premium line, authentic and flavorful. As I've mentioned, I'm unskilled at picking out and describing the notes that are commonly used when describing a cigar's flavor, so with cigar NETs I leave the flowery descriptions to the pros.

It's more of a typical, everyday cigar flavor for me than the Rocky Patel. Less wow and more everyman. I enjoy vaping it, but someone who's better able to pick out cigar nuance would get more out of it than me. I switched over to the Patel maduro a couple times and I find that one more interesting and appealing to my personal tastes. Both these I can easily get a full day before needing to do some coil maintenance, which is awesome for a full flavored NET.

 

[Big Juicy]

Jerms,

This batch of macerations---my first four cigars---spent three days in a 130° water bath. THREE DAYS! That's my longest heat-assisted steep ever, by a full day. I sampled the Rocky Patel after the first day, and the flavor just wasn't there yet. I sampled it again after Day Two, and the flavor was better, but I was going for the gusto with this batch. If we use a scale with Want2Vape cigar NETs on the heavily-flavored/gunk-o-rama end and MyVapeJuice cigar NETs on the lite-flavored/squeaky-clean end, I wanted these four to be closer to W2V than MVJ. So, back they went into their water bath for a third day. By the time the "cook" had finished, the four liquids had turned very dark colors, so I triple-filtered them.

My own experience with these four cigar NETs has been surprising. While I was immensely pleased at how flavorful they are---they don't hint at their cigarness; instead, they step right up and proclaim loudly "I'm a CIGAR!!!", and each of the four has a distinct and separate flavor profile---I worried that they might rival W2V in speed of wick/coil assassination. I made juices from all four and---as a test---loaded them up into bottom-coil evod-style clearos, making sure to vape each one at least some every day. I kept waiting for the flavor to diminish, but it didn't. After two weeks, I took apart the EVOD heads and examined the coils and wicks. Boy, you could have knocked me over with a feather! All four coils/wicks were still in relatively good shape. Not perfect, mind you---these are, after all, pretty dark NETs mixed with a high percentage of extract. So yes, the coils did have a little carbon build-up and the silica wicks were darkened where they passed through the coils, but a quick dry-burn restored both coils and wicks to like-new status. Two more weeks has passed since, and I don't perceive any flavor loss or diminishing vapor. Wow.

I was all set to accept the compromise of richer flavor for dirtier performance. The idea that these could be as flavorful as they are and still give relatively clean performance is both unexpected and thrilling to me!

But then, as with everything else, my experience is anecdotal and probably inclined toward unconscious bias, since I'm the proud papa of these four cigar NETs. I don't know if you'll get similar results. You're probably using an RDA/RBA, so let us know how they fare. I'll keep my fingers crossed, but it won't hurt my feelings if you report back that they're moderately gunky. Even that would be acceptable to me, given their superb respective flavors (your mileage may vary on that, too, of course). Anyway, if yours turn out to be as relatively clean as mine seem to be, I'll dance a jig.

I also sent sample bottles of all four cigar NETs to Johni, Dustmight, and Big Juicy, so perhaps they'll report in at some point about the flavors and performance.

I simply have not gotten round to sampling these...yet. I am trying to be fair to the people who have sent me samples. Also, I am a bit crochety about ONLY using my cigar mod to vape cigar juices and it is in the shop. All I can say is that of the 50 or so new juices I got this month I am most excited about these 4.

Oh...and i cannot tear myself away from Magnum Opus

 

[Jerms]

If anyone here has ever wanted to try Pure Smoke from want2vape, now would be a good time to check it out.



He asked what flavor should he have on sale and I suggested Pure Smoke, so here it is! Check him out on his sub-forum.

p.s. I don't know what the hell FOTW means! LOL

For only this week maybe?

Anyone who's had Malty from BackWoodsBrew and wonder.. what would Malty Tobacco taste like.. this is it! PURE Smoke tastes like it's loaded with ethyl maltol sweetner, for that BWB Malty flavor (but a lot stronger than that overly subtle juice) alongside and authentic and a little crass/nasty (crasty?) tobacco flavor. Love it or hate it, PURE Smoke is anything but boring or unoriginal. I thought it was the bees knees and the witches britches.

 

[Mr.Mann]

For only this week maybe?

Anyone who's had Malty from BackWoodsBrew and wonder.. what would Malty Tobacco taste like.. this is it! PURE Smoke tastes like it's loaded with ethyl maltol sweetner, for that BWB Malty flavor (but a lot stronger than that overly subtle juice) alongside and authentic and a little crass/nasty (crasty?) tobacco flavor. Love it or hate it, PURE Smoke is anything but boring or unoriginal. I thought it was the bees knees and the witches britches.

Yeah, it is hard to remain neutral with Pure Smoke, but it's a trip to vape.

Vaping that liquid will also let you know that w2v extracts can stretch quite a ways without becoming weak. I really dig it, but it is very much crasty (in a good way)! LOL

 

[Jerms]

Yeah, it is hard to remain neutral with Pure Smoke, but it's a trip to vape.

Vaping that liquid will also let you know that w2v extracts can stretch quite a ways without becoming weak. I really dig it, but it is very much crasty (in a good way)! LOL

I was so attracted to the way that somewhat dirty tobacco flavor combined with that cotton candy sweet flavor. Right away when I tried it I thought, man I love this, but will anyone else? It's one of those that if someone says they find it nasty, I can totally see why, but for me it just works.