For those looking for a dark, spiced rum flavored NET, Capistrano might be the one for ya. I found it to have a very authentic dark rum flavor. Mann, have you tried it yet?
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For those looking for a dark, spiced rum flavored NET, Capistrano might be the one for ya. I found it to have a very authentic dark rum flavor. Mann, have you tried it yet?
I remember he didn't like it as much as he did the Portula. I love Capistrano, but for me the rum is mild in it, the flavors all blend in a way where none of them stand out over the others and it smells incredible. I loved the Blackstar most, the Portula I liked less-but a person who wants a more strong pipe tobacco might like that one.
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I have held back from reviewing the Trabuco juices. They seem like good guys but...well...I don't know. Portola was nothing like i expected...like AT ALL. I will tell you what it reminds me...Prime vaping Nostaligia with extra extract...plus vanilla. It is overpowering. They say they designed these juices to drip, and dripping this about killed me...I can't even stomach this stuff on a BDC. To give you a sense of just how strong the vanilla is (and dont mean that in a vanilla lover's, GOOD kind of way) I frankenjuiced it at 15% Portola, 35% Flue Cured Virginia, 50% Fire Cured Burley and it still was just WAY to cloying and synthy and, I don;t know what. I added 20 drops each of John's Burley and his Virginia and even then I can;t wash the taste of portola out of my ebaron. Maybe Mann can help me describe this juice...it is almost offensive.
It pains me to write this, but I owe y'all my best and that includes being honest. I have held off this for a long time because I really liked the dude I met, I love the old OC concept, their packaging is excellent......., they are down the street from me on top of all that. I don't know on what planet this stuff is vapeable, let alone dripable, but it ain't my planet. To put it another way, this couldn't be any further to the other end of the NET spectrum from Bill's most noble and authentic extractions. It blows past HHV into the dak outer reaches of the NET flavor spectrum. The room note alone, and again I do not mean this pleasantly, after just two puffs my office smelled for 8 hours.
These are not NET's for the tobacco enthusiast and they are made by guys who have all but chosen to be out of touch with that consumer segment. They have no idea who the top NET vendor players are out there, the guy I met with didn't know ANY of them if you can believe that. One of the coolest, nicest cats ever, but no clue about the Ahlusions and HHV's of the world. They apparently have no connection at all to the main online community outlets. I watched Ray's interview...these are so cal juices made by so cal vapers for so cal vapers. They are proudly announcing these juices are heavy impact for cloud chasers. Just not my scene, homie.
I will say this, in addition to very cool people they offer a cool brand and great packaging. Also, at 5-10% it would be a potentially awesome topping to a frankenjuice...5-10%. I am just traumatized from my first few vapes and just the smell of it is more then I can bear, so I am not even opening the bottles of Capo and Blackstar I have here. I dont want to burn any more prized single varietals trying to make these work.
Keep you eyes open. If you really want to try them...and hey, why not...I will put mine on the NET PIF/Trade thread soon.
It pains me to write this, but I owe y'all my best and that includes being honest. I have held off this for a long time because I really liked the dude I met, I love the old OC concept, their packaging is excellent......., they are down the street from me on top of all that. I don't know on what planet this stuff is vapeable, let alone dripable, but it ain't my planet. To put it another way, this couldn't be any further to the other end of the NET spectrum from Bill's most noble and authentic extractions. It blows past HHV into the dak outer reaches of the NET flavor spectrum. The room note alone, and again I do not mean this pleasantly, after just two puffs my office smelled for 8 hours.
These are not NET's for the tobacco enthusiast and they are made by guys who have all but chosen to be out of touch with that consumer segment. They have no idea who the top NET vendor players are out there, the guy I met with didn't know ANY of them if you can believe that. One of the coolest, nicest cats ever, but no clue about the Ahlusions and HHV's of the world. They apparently have no connection at all to the main online community outlets. I watched Ray's interview...these are so cal juices made by so cal vapers for so cal vapers. They are proudly announcing these juices are heavy impact for cloud chasers. Just not my scene, homie.
I will say this, in addition to very cool people they offer a cool brand and great packaging. Also, at 5-10% it would be a potentially awesome topping to a frankenjuice...5-10%. I am just traumatized from my first few vapes and just the smell of it is more then I can bear, so I am not even opening the bottles of Capo and Blackstar I have here. I dont want to burn any more prized single varietals trying to make these work.
Keep you eyes open. If you really want to try them...and hey, why not...I will put mine on the NET PIF/Trade thread soon.
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wow that's crazy, i only got a mild hint of vanilla from portula! Vanilla wildwood from Ahlusion was a really strong vanilla though (but i liked it). To me their stuff is really clean and clear tasting which i really like, as opposed to muddled, but i'll keep my eye on that PIF thread
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I have held back from reviewing the Trabuco juices. They seem like good guys but...well...I don't know. Portola was nothing like i expected...like AT ALL. I will tell you what it reminds me...Prime Vaping Nostaligia with extra extract...plus vanilla. It is overpowering. They say they designed these juices to drip, and dripping this about killed me...I can't even stomach this stuff on a BDC. To give you a sense of just how strong the vanilla is (and dont mean that in a vanilla lover's, GOOD kind of way) I frankenjuiced it at 15% Portola, 35% Flue Cured Virginia, 50% Fire Cured Burley and it still was just WAY to cloying and synthy and, I don;t know what. I added 20 drops each of John's Burley and his Virginia and even then I can;t wash the taste of portola out of my ebaron. Maybe Mann can help me describe this juice...it is almost offensive.
It pains me to write this, but I owe y'all my best and that includes being honest. I have held off this for a long time because I really liked the dude I met, I love the old OC concept, their packaging is excellent......., they are down the street from me on top of all that. I don't know on what planet this stuff is vapeable, let alone dripable, but it ain't my planet. To put it another way, this couldn't be any further to the other end of the NET spectrum from Bill's most noble and authentic extractions. It blows past HHV into the dak outer reaches of the NET flavor spectrum. The room note alone, and again I do not mean this pleasantly, after just two puffs my office smelled for 8 hours.
These are not NET's for the tobacco enthusiast and they are made by guys who have all but chosen to be out of touch with that consumer segment. They have no idea who the top NET vendor players are out there, the guy I met with didn't know ANY of them if you can believe that. One of the coolest, nicest cats ever, but no clue about the Ahlusions and HHV's of the world. They apparently have no connection at all to the main online community outlets. I watched Ray's interview...these are so cal juices made by so cal vapers for so cal vapers. They are proudly announcing these juices are heavy impact for cloud chasers. Just not my scene, homie.
I will say this, in addition to very cool people they offer a cool brand and great packaging. Also, at 5-10% it would be a potentially awesome topping to a frankenjuice...5-10%. I am just traumatized from my first few vapes and just the smell of it is more then I can bear, so I am not even opening the bottles of Capo and Blackstar I have here. I dont want to burn any more prized single varietals trying to make these work.
Keep you eyes open. If you really want to try them...and hey, why not...I will put mine on the NET PIF/Trade thread soon.
It's funny how different our reactions are to Portula. I actually found it pretty bland, and my setup is made for amplifying flavor. It did have a strong room note though that I enjoyed.
Blackstar was the only one I liked, and I liked it a lot.
Another way I could put this reminds me of a quote I will tweak from the movie Bull Durham, "They make NET like they _ _ _ _...all over the place." I hope that services a huge consumer base and that these guys make it, I really do. I just...I......well, they say they were pipe smokers...but I have no idea what they were smoking because I honestly feel this product shows no respect for TOBACCO at all. It's just another ingredient in this nuclear flavor blast as a means to blow mushroom clouds. It is treated with no respect, no gentleness, no love. So on some level, this is truly just MY opinion here and this stuff to someone else might be nectar. But you take a guy like Bill. A guy who has studied tobacco because he LOVES tobacco...and when you taste his juices you can taste and FEEL that respect and love and stewardship. That juice speaks to you as closely as its orginal harvesers and blenders HOPED it would speak to you, in so much as is within Bill's power to bring that forth. The Trabuco Portola was just a bull in a china shop. If I was Trabuco I wouldn't label it as an NET just as I wouldn't label Zima as malt liquor. Trabuco certainly expands the NET field and that is not necessarily a bad thing, but I personally think it give "naturally extracted tobacco" a bad name as it in no way resembles and accurate extraction of tobacco.
Bland??? Did you dip 100 grit marinated in ghost peppers in your youth. That stuff is radioactive!
wow that's crazy, i only got a mild hint of vanilla from portula! Vanilla wildwood from Ahlusion was a really strong vanilla though (but i liked it). To me their stuff is really clean and clear tasting which i really like, as opposed to muddled, but i'll keep my eye on that PIF thread
WT_??? Am I going INSANE???
Mann...chime in here. Anyone else?! My whole rep is on the line here. Ok, maybe not, but you guys are still blowing my minds.
I am telling you, at 15% of an NET frankenjuice that included 50% STRONG Fire Cured Burley the suff still dominated the blend!
I am so intimidated by it I wont try another drop, nor any other of their juices...for it took SO long to get the taste out of my tank!!
Lol, i vaped mine in a protank with stock heads, might make a difference...also i'm a less experienced NET vaper than most of you...and i love spicy food..
I think the strongest NET i've had so far flavor-wise was net.com's blackberry burley (felt like i'd smoked a cigar for some time after but then i did ask for the extra strength option).
Good grief.
First off, that is Uncle BJ's Blackberry Burley...coincidentally...*I* designed that liquid! LOL!!! Should have ran that order by somebody because it was designed to showcase the burley and to BITE. I can't imagine that stuff with extra flavor! As it is it is ALMOST too much blackberry for me. The fire cured taste cuts through the berry in that.
I eat probably more spicy food than anyone I know too. Thai once a week, Indian often, you name it. And I order my stuff HOT too. Extra hot sometimes. As hot as I can get without undermining the flavor of the product itself and the chef's intention.
I guess I should clarify...in terms of STRENGTH I am not talking the strength of the flavor so much as the strength of all things NOT tobacco coming forth.
To me Portola holds hardly any resemblance to tobacco at all, in any way...and in no way reads like a naturally extracted tobacco. I like my tobacco to taste like tobacco. If not, it better be something extraordinary that seduces me in spite of myself (I am talking to YOU Smooth Criminal and Caramel Wild Wood...Vita Bella, you are only 2 months old, so your opinion doesnt matter)
I wanted to like trabuco so bad. I can;t even go hang out over there. The SMELL of that stuff is haunting me.
I'm no longer surprised at vastly different reactions to juice. Same thing with food, some find something vile and another finds it pleasant.
The NETs you find vile, like Dragon's Fire and Portula, some others find delicious. I find Highbrow RY4 vile, and others find delicious. I imagine for every juice that a bunch of people have tried there will be some who find it horrible and some who find it amazing, with most falling in between the extremes.
Nobody's reactions are wrong or incorrect, it just shows how differently people perceive things through their senses.
Oh, the irony.
You freaking KNOW stuff is getting real when Blacks_n_Jacks sets aside the "like" button and has to chime in.
!!!
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Different batch of extract? Freshly mixed? Trying to help BJ.. I've always respected your tobacco reviews even if they are sometimes over the top. I can't imagine you being polar opposite to what Jerms and Firephly experienced.
That sample of Dragon's Fire that Bronze so graciously sent to me was nasty, vile stuff. I still can't believe people vape that stuff.
i dug up Mann's impression:
Vita Bella? Never heard of 'em.
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Trying out MFT's Acid Cold Infusion. It is another well made juice. I am just too hooked on his Sangria to really appreciate it. It comes across with a nice mild cigar flavor and the notes of tea are in there. I don't get any peach cobbler, but I never got that in the original either. It is a good juice for those days when you need something mild and relaxing but not overly subtle.
MFT is probably the most slept on extractor here. This guy is bringing top notch stuff to the table. His sangria just knocked it so far out of the park for me, nothing else has been able to hit the spot. Even my MVJ 5 Vegas Cask Strength, Gurkha Legend 2001, and Dunhill Early morning have left me feeling like :shrug:
MFT is probably the most slept on extractor here. This guy is bringing top notch stuff to the table. His sangria just knocked it so far out of the park for me, nothing else has been able to hit the spot. Even my MVJ 5 Vegas Cask Strength, Gurkha Legend 2001, and Dunhill Early morning have left me feeling like :shrug:
So many people absolutely love that juice (it won the first NETty Awards), and many like me find it underwhelming, but your one of the very few I've heard it described as nasty and vile. Maybe there's something about some juices that you're sensitive to?
Now my reviews are being questioned?? OVER THE TOP?!?!?!
Has the world gone INSANE?!?!
I want my mommy.
Has the world gone INSANE?!?!
I want my mommy.
Now, please keep in mind I haven't tried this blend, so a portion of this post is going to be based on speculation and my personal opinions;
With 50% FCB, the burley should have dominated the blend if you mixed the stuff in at 15%.
Perhaps this is a QC issue?
Or maybe a reformulation based on feedback from people about how it was bland led to a heavy-handed extract or flavoring increase?
Not really sure on this one. Haven't tried the stuff, but I'm of the opinion that NETs with synthetic tobacco/ flavorings should be called "Hybrid NETs" rather than "NETs".
There's a big difference in flavor from a cased/cured/fermented natural tobacco extract by itself, and one that collides with synthetic flavoring that simply overpowers the tobacco.
Now, don't get me wrong, I have tried a couple synthetic flavors of tobacco that I didn't mind (enjoyed a couple of them), but if you can't taste the tobacco (even after adding more tobacco) there's something a little wrong, there.
Due to the low nic levels, I probably won't order their stuff, but that's just me.
After seeing this, I am a bit concerned.
Juicy, your recommendations haven't steered me wrong thus far- though there are some juices I enjoy that you abhor, I tend to lean to the "full-force-tobacco" range. That is to say, I can vape Balkan as an ADV with no problems and no complaints.
Not that I don't like a flavored blend like VB from time to time, it's just....well, since I stopped being a menthol person, I started to enjoy the taste of tobacco more than the flavorings that accompanied it. Vurley reverse-steeping confirmed this for me, and one person commented that it smelled like "wet cardboard". To me, it tastes & smells like straight-up vanilla, and this was when I was down to about half a bottle.
Taste is very subjective. As an example; some people enjoy ales, others IPAs, yet some will only drink lagers, porters, or stouts.
Me? I'll drink all of them unless they don't taste like beer (unless the experience is an enjoyable balance between the beer and whatever flavor is used). It is for this reason that the only IPA I enjoy is Newcastle's Winter IPA.
Perhaps the same applies for you and Portola?
Again, the only other thing I can think of is that it's a QC issue of some sort.
But if only 15% dominated 75% of a FCB-dominant blend.... something's up.
Sounds like it's the polar opposite of well-steeped VB from the way you describe it.
Just my
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