Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

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Blacks_n_Jacks

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You freaking KNOW stuff is getting real when Blacks_n_Jacks sets aside the "like" button and has to chime in.

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He he, I'm a a lurker at heart, but this exchange is too funny to me. Firephly's strongest juice for her = your juice. Golden.

As for Trabuco, I'm interested in trying them because of all these viewpoints. I'll bide my time, though, and arrive fashionably late to the NET party, LOL. Still have myvapejuice on my radar.
 

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Trying out MFT's Acid Cold Infusion. It is another well made juice. I am just too hooked on his Sangria to really appreciate it. It comes across with a nice mild cigar flavor and the notes of tea are in there. I don't get any peach cobbler, but I never got that in the original either. It is a good juice for those days when you need something mild and relaxing but not overly subtle.

MFT is probably the most slept on extractor here. This guy is bringing top notch stuff to the table. His sangria just knocked it so far out of the park for me, nothing else has been able to hit the spot. Even my MVJ 5 Vegas Cask Strength, Gurkha Legend 2001, and Dunhill Early morning have left me feeling like :shrug:

Sweet, glad to see someone extract an ACID that's not Kuba or Blondie. Cold Infusion is an amazing flavor-infused cigar in Drew Estate's ACID line, both the cigar and W2V's extraction of it. Have you had the W2V version Mike? I'm guessing it's very similar to MFT's. One of my favorite cigar vapes.
 

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Now my reviews are being questioned?? OVER THE TOP?!?!?!

Has the world gone INSANE?!?!

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I'd say more... hyper-active lol.
 

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Now, please keep in mind I haven't tried this blend, so a portion of this post is going to be based on speculation and my personal opinions;

With 50% FCB, the burley should have dominated the blend if you mixed the stuff in at 15%.

Perhaps this is a QC issue?

Or maybe a reformulation based on feedback from people about how it was bland led to a heavy-handed extract or flavoring increase?

Not really sure on this one. Haven't tried the stuff, but I'm of the opinion that NETs with synthetic tobacco/ flavorings should be called "Hybrid NETs" rather than "NETs".

There's a big difference in flavor from a cased/cured/fermented natural tobacco extract by itself, and one that collides with synthetic flavoring that simply overpowers the tobacco.

Now, don't get me wrong, I have tried a couple synthetic flavors of tobacco that I didn't mind (enjoyed a couple of them), but if you can't taste the tobacco (even after adding more tobacco) there's something a little wrong, there.

Due to the low nic levels, I probably won't order their stuff, but that's just me.

After seeing this, I am a bit concerned.

Juicy, your recommendations haven't steered me wrong thus far- though there are some juices I enjoy that you abhor, I tend to lean to the "full-force-tobacco" range. That is to say, I can vape Balkan as an ADV with no problems and no complaints.

Not that I don't like a flavored blend like VB from time to time, it's just....well, since I stopped being a menthol person, I started to enjoy the taste of tobacco more than the flavorings that accompanied it. Vurley reverse-steeping confirmed this for me, and one person commented that it smelled like "wet cardboard". To me, it tastes & smells like straight-up vanilla, and this was when I was down to about half a bottle.

Taste is very subjective. As an example; some people enjoy ales, others IPAs, yet some will only drink lagers, porters, or stouts.

Me? I'll drink all of them unless they don't taste like beer (unless the experience is an enjoyable balance between the beer and whatever flavor is used). It is for this reason that the only IPA I enjoy is Newcastle's Winter IPA.

Perhaps the same applies for you and Portula?

Again, the only other thing I can think of is that it's a QC issue of some sort.

But if only 15% dominated 75% of a FCB-dominant blend.... something's up.

Sounds like it's the polar opposite of well-steeped VB from the way you describe it.

Just my :2c:.

Fresh out of the mail VB was tame compared to this wild vanilla stallion.

Despite what some think, don;t mistake my passion for narcissism or the sense that i am right all the time. Much the contrary. I have a pretty good palate, but I know I have some blind spots. There is a chance I am sensitive to vanilla. For instance, I don;t like Vurley at all. At least I taste the TOBACCO in it, but I cant really stomach how that signature Wlad tobacco plays with the vanilla. VWW was ok, but in no way making my rotation. I do not care for vanilla custard vapes or vanilla lattes...including some damn fine DIY that FearTX did that by all means were excellent. So it might be a vanilla thing for me. That would be weird, as I really like vanilla and am that rare bird that even prefer vanilla milkshakes and drinks vanilla cokes...but maybe in vanilla VAPES something is messing with me.
 
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Sweet, glad to see someone extract an ACID that's not Kuba or Blondie. Cold Infusion is an amazing flavor-infused cigar in Drew Estate's ACID line, both the cigar and W2V's extraction of it. Have you had the W2V version Mike? I'm guessing it's very similar to MFT's. One of my favorite cigar vapes.

Nah, I haven't tried W2V's version. The legendary gunk factor has kept me away. MFT's Sangria was close to netcom in flavor intensity and lasted for 5ml on a kanger head with just a wash through and air dry. I can't do that with netcom and really doubt W2V could replicate that performance.
 

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Nah, I haven't tried W2V's version. The legendary gunk factor has kept me away. MFT's Sangria was close to netcom in flavor intensity and lasted for 5ml on a kanger head with just a wash through and air dry. I can't do that with netcom and really doubt W2V could replicate that performance.

I am on the fence between NETCOM H+ Yellow Mane and RBFS Dagwood's wife. Jerms, which do you prefer and why?
 

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It's just that you bring such passion and effusiveness to your reviews, that at times they are a bit overwhelming.. does that sound better?! Perhaps you missed the part where I said "I've always respected your tobacco reviews".. :glare:


This by the way.. yeah, over the top!

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Nah, I haven't tried W2V's version. The legendary gunk factor has kept me away. MFT's Sangria was close to netcom in flavor intensity and lasted for 5ml on a kanger head with just a wash through and air dry. I can't do that with netcom and really doubt W2V could replicate that performance.

W2V's legendary gunk factor really only applies to a handful of their juices. Mainly, everything in the signature line and Red Pirate from the premium line. The rest are closer to the standard gunkability of macerated NET.
 

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I am on the fence between NETCOM H+ Yellow Mane and RBFS Dagwood's wife. Jerms, which do you prefer and why?

Ignoring price and just going by flavor and performance.. Dagwood's is far better to me than W2V's and NETcom's Blondies. Blondie, like other ACIDs, are flavors on top of flavors on top of flavors. Dagwood's brings a clarity and separation to those flavor notes that the others don't achieve. It's extremely clean on coils too, almost synthetic clean.
 

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You crazy muthas have no driven me to dip into another Trabuco juice. i will drip Capo right now. I can already tell you the nose alone on this is strong...

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If you want the tobacco in the foreground my money is you're gonna hate this one, and if you don't want to smell the room up you're gonna hate it even more! lol
 

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All this talk about Trabuco Portola made me think, "Wait a minute. Haven't I got some of that?" I checked my database first and then my swap file, and sure enough, Mr.Mann sent me a 5ml bottle of Portola that I got two weeks ago, back on May 19th. My notes say that I tried it and didn't like it much. I rejected it so quickly---two or three hits was all it took---that I soon forgot about it.

I rummaged through my small-bottle retail NETs drawer, and there it was. I got it out and atty-dripped some. My reaction today? Same as before. Not my cup of tea. Not by a long shot. Now, unlike BJ, I didn't find it insanely awful with three exclamation marks, but, unlike firephly, I didn't find it bland, either. I found it just plain weird. And not weird good, but weird in a way my taste buds and brain instinctively rejected.

Trabuco's description states: "A blend of Burley and Virginia tobaccos with a subtle vanilla finish. A true aromatic pipe tobacco flavor." Oh yeah? Well, I know how Burley and Virginia taste, both alone and blended together, and Portola doesn't make the cut. I do get tobacco from it, but it's as if there's a melange of other flavors---not cloyingly sweet, but definitely syrupy---that drown the tobacco. I taste the vanilla at the finish, but this darkly-flavored syrupy stuff is right in the main body of the vape. Makes me wonder what solvents the Trabuco guys used for the extraction process. It's almost like some sort of brandy or grenadine.

I take it that the retail pipe tobacco marketplace contains some popular aromatics of questionable quality that are so heavily cased with candy-like flavorings that they qualify as TINOs (Tobacco-In-Name-Only). In researching pipe tobacco blends to buy for extraction, I read tons of user reviews to steer clear of those. Portola is what I imagine them to taste like when extracted as flavoring.
 
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