Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

[Jerms]

OK, I am starting to get a little bit ...... here.

Other than Jerms I haven;t seen anyone really give a flying fart about the discontinuation of the Ahlusion - Aromatic line.

The thought of living without Maple Burley is more than I can bear.

Is somebody on this??? Is Wlad going to issue an official statement? Do Jerms and I need to go to the mattresses???

You the man BJ!

 

[Brobdingnagian]

Nobody has heard why. Why should we? Since when does a business have to justify the selection of products they offer? If you're unhappy with their decision, vote with your wallet. Your statement that they're "flipping a large majority of their online customers he bird" is beyond foolish. If they eliminated Blueberry Vanilla Cake it would cause far more unrest. The aros, with their artistic blending of various CO2-extracted tobacco strains and partner flavors, are probably just not bringing in enough money to justify the labor involved. And as A+ expands, I'm guessing Wlad may not have time to do those extractions and blending, and he may not want to turn it over to anyone else.

These are just my guesses. I haven't asked Wlad about it. Ahlusion is my favorite vendor. The aros were a small part of why. But you can stay out of my shoes and in your own. Give your business to whomever you like, and take it away from them when you choose. The rest of us will do likewise, for reasons we choose, according to our own standards. Nobody else -- including actual Ahlusion customers -- is complaining that the vendor owes us an explanation. Why is it again you think you deserve one?

It was originally a post that mentioned that people were taking the removal of the aromatics very quietly that got me all riled up.

You can pretty much disregard everything else I said.

If DD is like London, I've got that covered.

I was not trying to piss everyone off, but it does look like I successfully did that, at least.

The below; in response to BJ- that was another one of my reasons; I knew he really enjoyed Maple Burley.

I feel bad for you. Maple Burley is, in my estimation, utterly unique. The way the tobacco and delicate maple sugar are blended to turn into a unified thing isn't really something anyone else is going to duplicate -- even if they did have access to the spectacular maple flavoring. My best suggestion would be to experiment with mixing Maple Dream with some other burley-heavy juices from NET.com (well...maybe), GeJ or QNJ -- or some of those home brews.

This pretty much sums my previous post up, as to "why?" I wanted an explanation.

It wasn't for myself.

My alternate suggestion would be to use Maple Eh? mixed with RBFS's perique latakia, but I've got a very disturbed sense of taste that might actually enjoy such an amalgamation. We're definitely going to need to see more vendors offer straight or burley-heavy blends (I've mentioned this several times, but I was a big fan of Bugler before I quit analogs) before we see more variety amongst the NET spectrum.

This means there may be some ways to make a juice that tastes similar, but isn't quite the same as a previous favorite.

Maple Eh?; Extra tobacco extract, blend with Acadian Gold, and give it a shot.

I have no idea what this will taste like, so start low on the Maple Eh? to AG ratio.

I will still stand by HHV's "Strawberry Shortcake", however. I wouldn't mix it with tobacco. Well, maybe a golden Cav.

I retract my previous statement because I have no idea what their (Ahlusion's) non-net juices taste like and do not wish to be inflammatory.

I am, however, in agreement that the FDA will likely target E-juice vendors.

Hopefully we will not see raids on vendors for "safety concerns" like what happened with the Rawsome Raids (yes, they raided them multiple times.).

Here's a more comedic perspective.

(EDIT: PREVIOUS link did not work correctly. FIXED)

But yes, I am concerned about the same happening with e-liquids.

What happens if flavors are somehow banned from being imported to individuals through some cuckoo act or legislative action?

 

[Jerms]

Well, 3 out of 4 ain't bad.. (I'm going to get beat up one of these days for dissing VB!)

That's about enough out of you chucklehead.

 

[Jerms]

Welcome. Fifty percent off the already reasonably priced GeJ NETs was a great time to try them.

Tonight I found the setup to make my Blondie extraction really shine. 28 g Nichrome, 10 wraps on 1/16" drill bit, duals in a Phoenix v5. Came in at .57 Ω and wicked with Koh Gen Do cotton. Vapes cooler than it sounds and it's really bringing out all the nuances of this complex flavor.

You done with rayon or are you using both CC and KGD?

 

[Jerms]

I'm with you, just spent the evening trying out the 7 GeJ juices I just received. The one that really rubbed me the wrong way was Vita Bella. Really not my thing, but I already know who will be receiving this bottle, as palates that will enjoy this kind of vape will go bonkers over it IMO. Not a huge fan of the Analog Tobacco or the Wild Turkey - again, personal taste preference. I have found that flavors that try to emulate analogs are generally not my thing, and I believe both of these fall in this category.

Natural Perique sucker punched me, kicked me in the groin, and then laughed at me as I lay on the ground crying. My palate is very sensitive, so keep this in mind as you read my impressions... but to me, that is a very potent, very powerful flavor. Children's book edition: the draw is a pipe, the aftertaste is cigar. Fantastic.

The other one that is a real standout is the Organic #1. I could not put my device down, I think I emptied out the whole Origen in one go - and, as drippers go, that's a lot of vaping. I think this is the "sweetest" of the flavors I ordered, and the smoothest.

Patriot and Acadian Gold are also becoming permanent fixtures for me.

Umm, no, no NO. You do NOT dismiss VB after just one session with a fresh bottle! Ridiculous, unfathomable.... INCONCEIVABLE! Give it some time to steep and some repeated sessions. If any juice can change someone's mind in time it's Vita.

Glad you're really digging a few of them. You're getting me even more excited to try the Organic that's coming my way!

 

[Big Juicy]

So I ordered Waffles and Root Beer from BWB. My first retail purchase in a long time. I always felt good giving money to BWB as i respect them a great deal, so no worries. I am also going to try the Maple Tobacco. Right now I am hoping that, or Maple Wild Wood, can scratch that itch. MWW will be ordered soon. I also decided to once and for all try Casablanca. Despite it popularity and remaining BWB best seller, the reaction among La Cosa NETstra has been meh at best, and negative at worst. It is a player on the market and well respected overall so screw it, I owe it a sampling out of respect if nothing else.

So, anyone know is Casablanca or Maple Tobacco are NET, TA, synthetic, swamp gas...?

 

[Jerms]

I don't understand it either and I am frankly shocked ahlusion is pulling all the aros and the response in here has been, well fairly subdued and almost diplomatic.

Perhaps the aros aren't the biggest money spinner out of all the lines, maybe they require a touch extra care than other lines, but to pull the whole line when you know some of your repeat customers love to stick a couple of bottles in their cart along with the other purchases is akin to pulling a gourmet range of muffins some of your most discerning and regular customers have with their regular morning coffee.

Is that good customer service? Would a small publicity campaign to subscribed users or on ECF, or an opportunity for the customers to provide general feedback about pulling the line be a more customer focussed approach?

Perhaps there is a good reason for it. I am a bit behind the times but in my limited perception of the situation it would be like Starbucks removing coffee from their menu and expanding their hot chocolate range or MacDonalds removing burgers from their menu and offering a wider variety of salads.

It doesn't affect me personally as ahlusion do not deliver to Australia and any ahlusion aros I've received have been pure chance, but I know the aros are a crowd favorite in this forum, and part of the staple discussion throughout, or at least were for a time. Devil Dog and Bluegrass Burley were never far from discussion.


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We may be in the minority opinion on this, but I agree with your views here.

 

[Jerms]

Looking forward to your impressions on this one Jerms. It's a strange bird!

Here's some more impressions on Tobacco Haze..

This juice really exceeds my expectations of what a good TA juice can taste like. Not sure what the other flavor involved in this is, but I'm finding it extremely enjoyable. Guess I am a fan of commercial TA.. maybe knocks down my NET cred a notch but it is what it is and I like what I like.

One thing about it though; while I dig the flavor it's pretty far from what I consider a true tobacco flavor, even if it is derived from real leaves. I can see how some would consider it a source of replicating the smoking experience, but real-deal tobacco flavor it is not. It's so.. fuzzy. I can easily see now what part TA plays in Smooth & Mild, even if just a touch is used there, and I realize that the TA fuzziness in that juice is a big reason I like it so much. Tobacco Haze really amps up that part, but my guess is it's still lighter on the TA than many other TA options.

I really look forward to trying more of M&P's tobaccos, they just got bumped to the top of my list for next orders!

 

[Big Juicy]

We may be in the minority opinion on this, but I agree with your views here.

Since this discussion has legs...

I am kind of in the middle. On one hand, I agree that a vendor doesn't owe anyone any explanation...on the other hand I think it is only good customer service to reach out to your loyal followers, even if (especially if?) one's business has grown to the point that those loyal followers are a minority. I am not sure I feel slighted, or that this thread that has so vehemently promoted A+ and Wlad have been slighted, but I do know if it was ME in the captain's chair I would have reached out to us even if the decision was final. It's just the right or at least COOL thing to do. I know I personally have referred literally DOZENS of customers to Ahlusion...and with posts sitting in cyberspace indefinitely and often browsed, but not always replied to the number of people is more accurately in the 100's. A retailer should always assume this, should always assume that you have no idea the weight or amount of efforts by your customers to promote your product and always assume you don't know the influence or power of your followers. Respect the consumer and assume they are responsible for more of your business than you think or can accurately quantify. It is the safe bet. Wlad doesn't owe any of us squat in the philosophical sense if he doesn't feel he does. That is on him and it is his call. I can tell you without hesitation, however, that he owes hundreds of orders and thousands of dollars to some of us who have without compensation or reservation referred him business. So yeah, reaching out IMHO would have been the right thing to do...or at least the % move.

My final comment, more ethereal, is this. Maybe it is just me, but when I was first introduced to Ahlusion it was SPECIFICALLY for NET, and they were referred to me as a giant in that particular niche field. I always felt, and again maybe it was just my experience, that what truly set this vendor apart, and what largely defined them, was their Aromatic line (which like these juices or not has no direct rival and is one of a kind) and their naturally extracted tea line (which countless juice and tea experts declare is arguably the best NETea line on the market). For me the Aromatics largely defined Ahlusion, and if they should die a part of what was once Ahlusion will, for me, die with them.

All that said, I am not so soured that I am pulling business. They remain a trusted, dependable, class vendor from their site to their packaging to their turnaround time to their quality of liquids. CWW and Smooth Criminal are indispensable in my rotation and the only two retail juices I vape daily. Heaven forbid these ever get phased out...because that would be the end for them with Uncle BJ.

 

[Jerms]

Ok, damn the torpedoes. I am going to throw it out there.

I am considering this on topic, as I truly want the opinion of La Cosa NETstra on this. Plus, nobody knows my tastes better than you freaks.

What is the best French toast or waffle juice out there for an NET junkie? Also, how about root beer or Sasparilla?

Ahl's Sassy is pretty damn good. I also had a Root Beer Cream (RB float) that they specially made for someone, so I'm guessing if you wrote them about making a root beer vape they'll make it for ya. Honestly though, I haven't had RB or sassy from any other vendor so I can't say how others compare, just that I really liked them.

Waffles.. french toast..... not a clue.

 

[Jerms]

Best Waffle that I've come across is from TastyVapor.us. Not only are their regular waffle offerings amazing, but if you go into their Customize Your Own options, you can literally create your own Waffle juice by selecting different nic and flavour options. Here's a sample:

Alright, TV added to my list for future order. Might as well find out what my opinion of a waffle vape is. I'm also going to write down "ask Dusty what else to get" for if I ever get to them.

 

[Jerms]

I've been a big fan of TV's Tobacco for awhile. Although I don't hit it every day, it has found its way into my rotation at least once a week. While a touch sweet, it is a no-nonsense NET with pretty big tobacco presence. I'm not sure what to compare it to. Although I haven't had GeJ's Analog in awhile, I remember it being sort of similar.

If Wlad recommends it, that's saying something, coming from a heavy-hitter competitor vendor like him. Even though it's TV's only NET (aside from the menthol version of it), they certainly got it right. I also like TV's Earl Grey for a no-nonsense tea vape.

Ohhh Earl Grey I'll add too!

(Sorry I didn't multi-quote guys, I'm almost done lol).

 

[Brobdingnagian]

So I ordered Waffles and Root Beer from BWB. My first retail purchase in a long time. I always felt good giving money to BWB as i respect them a great deal, so no worries. I am also going to try the Maple Tobacco. Right now I am hoping that, or Maple Wild Wood, can scratch that itch. MWW will be ordered soon. I also decided to once and for all try Casablanca. Despite it popularity and remaining BWB best seller, the reaction among La Cosa NETstra has been meh at best, and negative at worst. It is a player on the market and well respected overall so screw it, I owe it a sampling out of respect if nothing else.

So, anyone know is Casablanca or Maple Tobacco are NET, TA, synthetic, swamp gas...?

I don't really know about Casa, because there's been a lot of speculation around what, exactly, Casa might be.

However, I didn't not like it. It was a drier kinda "tobacco-esque with cocoa somewhere in the background, maybe"

I think I enjoyed it more than their RY4, which for some reason, I got a "spiced sweet tea" flavor. Like spiced chai. I can't explain why.

Then again, I eat habaneros and indian peppers in almost every meal. That might explain why my taste buds are so screwed up.

Also, are all of these waffle and such vendors using non-diacetyl and/or non-diketone flavorings?

I'm starting to get hungry for Belgian waffles, now. I blame all of you.

Now I have to order something waffle and cake-based with my next order from....well, wherever I order from.

...Just to change the pace? No, that's an excuse. I haven't vaped a non-net in a while. A couple of my tanks could use a break. Plus, waffles, pie, and cake sound really good to me right now.

I blame it on the Milky Way Midnight Darks I had last night. Stupid 3 for $2 specials...

OFF TOPIC:

While I was AFK for a moment, I got a call from a man claiming he was from Microsoft Technical Support and he tried to tell me he was using my computer. I just told him I was running a packet sniffer and had his MAC & IP, and he responded with something offensive about my mother. I called him something nasty in Indian and then told him to have a nice day.

Next time they call (They do about once every 30 days), I'm just going to let him explain his spiel, and then say:

"We thank you for your cooperation. This is Agent (so and so) with the NSA. We've been looking for you."


...even though I don't think I'm allowed to do that...

Maybe I'll change it up and invent an agency that doesn't exist.

I'd prefer being able to report them to IC3; but they're calling behind a spoofed number

 

[jefsview]

Here's some more impressions on Tobacco Haze..

This juice really exceeds my expectations of what a good TA juice can taste like. Not sure what the other flavor involved in this is, but I'm finding it extremely enjoyable. Guess I am a fan of commercial TA.. maybe knocks down my NET cred a notch but it is what it is and I like what I like.

One thing about it though; while I dig the flavor it's pretty far from what I consider a true tobacco flavor, even if it is derived from real leaves. I can see how some would consider it a source of replicating the smoking experience, but real-deal tobacco flavor it is not. It's so.. fuzzy. I can easily see now what part TA plays in Smooth & Mild, even if just a touch is used there, and I realize that the TA fuzziness in that juice is a big reason I like it so much. Tobacco Haze really amps up that part, but my guess is it's still lighter on the TA than many other TA options.

I really look forward to trying more of M&P's tobaccos, they just got bumped to the top of my list for next orders!

I don't think your NET "cred" will slip

I've enjoyed 3 out of 4 of their tobaccos so far, but still need to try that Tobacco Haze. I haven't as yet, due to the liquid having a nutty aroma to it, while the others were more pleasing. But it did take about 4 months to even sample those others. I'm glad that you're enjoying the Haze. Guess I'll give it a go on my day off tomorrow

 

[Jerms]

So, anyone know is Casablanca or Maple Tobacco are NET, TA, synthetic, swamp gas...?

Casablanca is made from assjuice. They won't say if it's synthetic assjuice or naturally extracted assjuice though.

(previous Ahl post)

Very well said BJ!

K, finally caught up, I missed some good stuff!

Happy to see a little Ahl drama. Honestly. Better then the cricket noices from when the change was announced. Who cares if people's posts and statement regarding it may be a little illogical or overstated, the loss of an important NET line deserves some emotional reactions in my view.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Jerms, try Bud's Blend, TNT Tobacco and...yeah, try those (from M&P). LOL

 

[Jerms]

Jerms, try Bud's Blend, TNT Tobacco and...yeah, try those (from M&P). LOL

Thanks! Added to the list. I think I'm going to get a bunch of their baccos, the prices look good. I didn't realize they also had a NET (TNT).

 

[Mr.Mann]

Thanks! Added to the list. I think I'm going to get a bunch of their baccos, the prices look good. I didn't realize they also had a NET (TNT).

They have not added an NET yet, but they have some great TA/TE liquids (if you catch my drift).

 

[Brobdingnagian]

Casablanca is made from assjuice. They won't say if it's synthetic assjuice or naturally extracted assjuice though.

Very well said BJ!

Agreed. I really wanted to see how he felt about it. In a way, this reinforces my decision to try some of the Wild Woods out, even though I have plenty (Well, I can never have enough) Cavendish PT's (don't have any cav-based blends, really) sitting around.

I know you're not a huge fan of Black Cavendish, Jerms, but have you tried some of MvJ's offerings?

I would recommend the Captain Black Royal, just...without the X-X-extract level. It's not bad at this percentage, it's just more subtle and smooth with just regular extra extract levels. Their Captain Black Gold is also pretty smooth and tasty.

Happy to see a little Ahl drama. Honestly. Better then the cricket noices from when the change was announced. Who cares if people's posts and statement regarding it may be a little illogical or overstated, the loss of an important NET line deserves some emotional reactions in my view.

(emphasis mine)

That's me; Illogically logical and overstated ...some highly incalculable percentage of the time.

I had honestly never tasted a tobacco like that in Vurley. To see it go is a sad thing. Mine seems to have either dissipated or merged with the vanilla character of the blend entirely. Can't explain that. However, now I just want to save it to vape years from now and go, "Ah, so this is what I remember it tasting like. Smells good, too!".

I did miss out on the GeJ sale (they don't take IOU's and their coupons expire; had to take money to the bank to order anything) which would have allowed me to stock up on some favs and re-order some of the ones I tried first, but I'll survive.

I'm really trying to find something that nails down Acadian Gold's flavor profile.....to extract.

I figure if I'm going to screw up the filtration process, that's on me, but at least I'll start with a decent tobacco to extract from.

I just need something like THAT tobacco, and a good golden Cavendish, and I think I'll be happy for a while.

100% PGA is not available for sale in FL, not sure of other state laws (There's a lot of stuff that isn't available for sale in FL, though) regarding PGA, but I have no qualms about doing a hybrid heat/cold maceration. Heat it up, let it cool. Heat it again, let it cool. It'd be more like infusing herbs into a tea than extracting tobacco, but same principle, right?


EDIT:

And then I look right and notice this:



8-o

Quick, someone post something large that'll get us to the next page!

Oh, man....you're going to volunteer me, aren't you?

 

[BaccyFiend]

So, anyone know is Casablanca or Maple Tobacco are NET, TA, synthetic, swamp gas...?

I can't say for sure, but from what I remember, I would guess Casablanca is not a NET. There seemed to be a lot of synthetic flavorings in there. However, I would wager that Maple Tobacco is a NET. That one and a couple others (Adirondack, for one) are very similar in style to some of HHV's dry hay style NETs (Huntsman, Dark Horse, Gaia, Maple Eh?, etc).