I tried a couple of packs of English Ovals back in the day. They were expensive, even at 1970's prices. A good, strong tobacco mix but too strong for me. I went back to Marlboro's and then switched to Carlton's.
Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux
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It's called Flash. I have some around here somewhere. It's made by Flavor Art I think. Used it once or twice and it wasn't what I expected. It burned the tongue slightly and dried my throat immediately. Haven't used it since.
I also vaguely remember a vendor having a product that could be added to juices that would raise the TH. There was some speculation that it had a peppery base that simulated the effect of Nic in a regular juice. What bearing this has on the current conversation, I'm not sure, but hopefully some of it makes sense.
Over in the DIY Forum you can get the link for the ejuice me up calculator. It's free and it's very handy for making calculations. It has room for seven flavors and a pull down menu for calculating nicotine liquids and flavor ratios. It also has quite a few recipes already in it's data base.
Thanks Bill,
That's the nic thread I was referring to. My eyes glazed after a couple of pages, so I gave up.
I'll check that vendor out. I like to use 60mg because the math is easy for my wee mind, so that should even be much less than the 100.
What are you talking about? With all the Americans wandering around downtown Toronto, you'll feel right at home.
I couldn't see their faces -- they all had cameras in front of them! LOL.
p.s. When I travel somewhere, I go to where the locals hang.
This recent bottle of Ether Eclipse just isn't doing it for me, Seems to be a lot of batch to batch variation. I switched RBFS Caven Fever and after steeping a couple weeks this is really good stuff.
But DIY is still where its at for me. You know what your getting. My second water bath extraction was H&H blueberry Cavendish and it vapes better than I could ever imagine. I reach for it over about anything. Funny thing about it is the subtle bluebeery tastes different on different mods. I don't understand how at the same voltage/wattage the provari tastes so much better than than the SVD & VTR. I know the Provari's PMW runs at 800 ish kHz but the VTR is close to that at 700 something. I think the provari must have been designed and engineered by someone who vapes and found a great spot.
But DIY is still where its at for me. You know what your getting. My second water bath extraction was H&H blueberry Cavendish and it vapes better than I could ever imagine. I reach for it over about anything. Funny thing about it is the subtle bluebeery tastes different on different mods. I don't understand how at the same voltage/wattage the provari tastes so much better than than the SVD & VTR. I know the Provari's PMW runs at 800 ish kHz but the VTR is close to that at 700 something. I think the provari must have been designed and engineered by someone who vapes and found a great spot.
This must be one of the sweetest emails and attached pictures I've ever had.
From Brian at River Bottom Fog Sauce
"Here's a pic of your RBFS sundae with an MM cherry on top! Everyone you ordered plus a couple or eight. I will package them up, like astronauts heading to Mars ASAP, and get a final price for you. I will also bottle up a couple extracts I am currently experimenting with, and send them along also."
Brian has taken care of me for that period I was absent during the initial send-outs.
From Brian at River Bottom Fog Sauce
"Here's a pic of your RBFS sundae with an MM cherry on top! Everyone you ordered plus a couple or eight. I will package them up, like astronauts heading to Mars ASAP, and get a final price for you. I will also bottle up a couple extracts I am currently experimenting with, and send them along also."
Brian has taken care of me for that period I was absent during the initial send-outs.
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Dusty, one of the benefits of not being married is that I, and I only, have to be astonished and slightly appalled at my huge haul of liquids.
I still chuckle when I think about your description of the scenario at your home when your wife saw you with your new half a litre of liquids from HHV and RBFS.
Looks like I better go to Ikea to get myself a Billherst-cabinet.
I still chuckle when I think about your description of the scenario at your home when your wife saw you with your new half a litre of liquids from HHV and RBFS.
Looks like I better go to Ikea to get myself a Billherst-cabinet.
Nice!!
I know I am your Dk-Tab spiritual buddy, but if my favorite coffee shop discontinued my favorite muffin that I usually have with my favorite coffee I might go somewhere else that has good muffins, even if the coffee isn't quite as good as the first place.
Let's see what unfolds. I hope all is well in ahlusion-land.
Let's see what unfolds. I hope all is well in ahlusion-land.
I stand corrected... again
Actually you can simulate TH in a zero nic juice with a few drops of PGA or Vodka added to your JDS... or use too much Sarsaparilla Extract in your DIY... like wayyyy too much
Thanks to a link from Bill's earlier post, Nicotine liquid of the same strength can have different TH levels, mostly depending on the processing and carrier used. I found the thread fascinating and would recommend a perusal by Home-Extractors; http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/298547-nicotine-comparisons.html
Add; I see Bill is on top of it already. I'll second Heartland Nicotine, one of two I use. Nude Nicotine is a bit more but I like to change it up once in awhile, NN is a bit purer in Flavor/ or lack of flavor, and the TH is close to equal.
So, if I order their 50/50 12mg nicotine, can I just flavor it at 20% and vape away at 9.6mg of nic per ml?
This is pretty exciting! After a warm water bath for 24 hrs (1 hr of that was at a higher heat than I intended), I filtered one of my 3 extracts. 1 pass with the French Press and a 5 micron filter, one pass of that through a coffee filter. Mixed up a 1 ml sample, 0 nic, 50/50 pg/vg, 15% extract and in a little dripper. OMG!!!! Fresh, no nic, the flavor is there! I immediately increased it to a 6 ml 6 mg nic sample and will let it steep. But I think this is awesome!!
I need to work on my ratio of tobacco to base (pg/vg); this first try base was 100% pg and although I covered the tobacco I could have used a lot more pg (or whatever base I decide to extract with) and a much smaller amount of tobacco. I added a little more pg to my 2 other extracts and they are back in a warm water bath for more time (and more extract!!!!).
The one I filtered is Lane BCA, a fire-cured and steamed black cavendish. The others are Lane RLP (burley, virginia, cavendish mix) and H&H Grandma's Kitchen (burley, cavendish, virginia but with a bit of vanilla-based steamed black cavendish).
OK, so I am going to be hooked on this....
Can't wait to try more flavors!
I need to work on my ratio of tobacco to base (pg/vg); this first try base was 100% pg and although I covered the tobacco I could have used a lot more pg (or whatever base I decide to extract with) and a much smaller amount of tobacco. I added a little more pg to my 2 other extracts and they are back in a warm water bath for more time (and more extract!!!!).
The one I filtered is Lane BCA, a fire-cured and steamed black cavendish. The others are Lane RLP (burley, virginia, cavendish mix) and H&H Grandma's Kitchen (burley, cavendish, virginia but with a bit of vanilla-based steamed black cavendish).
OK, so I am going to be hooked on this....
Can't wait to try more flavors!
I love when things work out. It's been awhile, but I knew he would take care of you two! Cheers.
Lordie, that's more expensive than Djarum here and from what I hear, NY state cigarettes.
And I thought Camel unfiltered at $9 a pack was expensive.
It would just be cheaper to blend your own "knock off" analog extract, maybe using a fine turkish tobacco as the base.
I forget the exact blend camel uses. I know it's not all turkish, so I wonder what these are comprised of.
Turkish Special, huh.... I don't see that price as being a special, so that tobacco had better be worth it.
It wasn't like that when I had these, back in the 1989-1992 period. I think they were about 30% more than a pack of Camels.
I'm not sure how they can even be selling these in the US. AFAIK, there are no longer analog imports. But if there is a loophole, this is the "loophole premium" I suspect.
Dusty, one of the benefits of not being married is that I, and I only, have to be astonished and slightly appalled at my huge haul of liquids.
I still chuckle when I think about your description of the scenario at your home when your wife saw you with your new half a litre of liquids from HHV and RBFS.
Looks like I better go to Ikea to get myself a Billherst-cabinet.
I showed my wife Bill's storage.. her words, "You guys are MAD!", even though I probably don't have a 10th of the amount of stuff that he has. I believe the phrase to be used is "Guilty by association!".
Sounds like your having a lot of fun. I think you'll be amazed at the change of flavor as your bottles steep. You'll keep tasting the different nuances as one tobacco comes to the front and a week later it is fading while a second tobacco comes Forward.
This is pretty exciting! After a warm water bath for 24 hrs (1 hr of that was at a higher heat than I intended), I filtered one of my 3 extracts. 1 pass with the French Press and a 5 micron filter, one pass of that through a coffee filter. Mixed up a 1 ml sample, 0 nic, 50/50 pg/vg, 15% extract and in a little dripper. OMG!!!! Fresh, no nic, the flavor there! I immediately increased it to a 6 ml 6 mg nic sample and will let it steep. But I think this is awesome!!
I need to work on my ratio of tobacco to base (pg/vg); this first try base was 100% pg and although I covered the tobacco I could have used a lot more pg (or whatever base I decide to extract with) and a much smaller amount of tobacco. I added a little more pg to my 2 other extracts and they are back in a warm water bath for more time (and more extract!!!!).
The one I filtered is Lane BCA, a fire-cured and steamed black cavendish. The others are Lane RLP (burley, virginia, cavendish mix) and H&H Grandma's Kitchen (burley, cavendish, virginia but with a bit of vanilla-based steamed black cavendish).
OK, so I am going to be hooked on this....
This is pretty exciting! After a warm water bath for 24 hrs (1 hr of that was at a higher heat than I intended), I filtered one of my 3 extracts. 1 pass with the French Press and a 5 micron filter, one pass of that through a coffee filter. Mixed up a 1 ml sample, 0 nic, 50/50 pg/vg, 15% extract and in a little dripper. OMG!!!! Fresh, no nic, the flavor is there! I immediately increased it to a 6 ml 6 mg nic sample and will let it steep. But I think this is awesome!!
I need to work on my ratio of tobacco to base (pg/vg); this first try base was 100% pg and although I covered the tobacco I could have used a lot more pg (or whatever base I decide to extract with) and a much smaller amount of tobacco. I added a little more pg to my 2 other extracts and they are back in a warm water bath for more time (and more extract!!!!).
The one I filtered is Lane BCA, a fire-cured and steamed black cavendish. The others are Lane RLP (burley, virginia, cavendish mix) and H&H Grandma's Kitchen (burley, cavendish, virginia but with a bit of vanilla-based steamed black cavendish).
OK, so I am going to be hooked on this....
See? I told you to relax, that you hadn't ruined your maceration by cooking it at 200° for an hour, and I was right!
Out of curiosity, why did you filter twice, using both the 5-micron French Press method and then after that a coffee filter? I do that with PGA extractions. First I run the raw macerated Everclear through the French Press. Next, I pour that liquid into a pan and evaporate 80-90% of the Everclear, which leaves a very small amount of somewhat darker, thicker ultra-concentrate. Then I add PG at a 4:1 ratio to reconstitute the ultra-concentrate back into usable extract for mixing juices.
Something about using PGA as the extraction solvent produces tiny globules of oil, which I'm told are bitter and don't taste good. They're also ugly and don't look good floating on the surface of the extract. So, as a final step after reconstituting with PG, I run the extract through a single coffee filter to remove those oil globs.
On a straight PG/VG maceration, however, I do only a single pass of the macerated solvent through the French Press. Paper coffee filters have a 10-30ml pore size, but the first filtering with your poly felt on the French Press already removed everything down to 5 microns (supposedly). Did you examine the coffee filter afterwards to see if any visible particulates or weird gunk remained in the coffee filter after using it? You didn't hurt anything by filtering twice, of course, and there's always a chance that doing so helped refine the extract further and make it cleaner, but technically it's redundant and shouldn't have done anything more than absorb a little of the already-filtered extract. I understand that this was your first extraction, of course, so you may have added the second pass through the coffee filter just to make sure. Brings to mind twice-baked potatoes, or the old carpenter's rule: measure twice and cut once. LOL.
Lane BCA, Lane RLP, and H&H Grandma's Kitchen---I happen to have all three of those exact pipe blends waiting to be extracted. After Brian sent me a bottle of RBFS KillR Y4---his version of RY4 made entirely from tobaccos that were already cased/topped with caramel and vanilla, so that no extra flavorings were added during mixing---I decided to try my hand at some more heavily-cased or topped aromatic pipe tobaccos to make NET hybrids, so those three were part of my last order from Pipes&Cigars. Relatively straight non-aromatic tobacco can certainly make lovely NETs (for juices approaching a more "pure" tobacco flavor), but I find myself leaning more toward flavored tobaccos these days. I assumed that the two Lane blends would be strongly in that direction.
I am puffing on some Groovy Blue from MFT. I will leave any sweeping reviews out for know. I am vaping on a Kanger factory head. I had no idea how much I was missing when I used these. I will definitely say that the silica wicks are definitely muting flavor tremendously. Cotton and hemp make for more lively flavors.
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