Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

[Mr.Mann]

Mann, I've never ordered from a European company. However, Havano Dark sounds intriguing.

They ship, but you got to factor in the tag. I was eyeing that one too.

I dig some of the Euro vendors.

 

[y cherry y]

If aroma WTA's aren't allowed in this thread then neither should Ahl's process. They are the same physically just different solvent. That's my point, either both in or both out, that's all. And yes Liquid COS is a solvent oh and so is water. It just doesn't make sense from a scientific basis. That's all. agree to disagree.

CO2 is a solvent, water is a solvent, ALL the media used to extract tobacco -- PG, VG, and alcohol -- are solvents. So what? How does using CO2 make the result something other than an extracted tobacco?

You have some personal standard (that has never been explained in a way I can understand) for defining a liquid as an extracted tobacco that only you use, and that's just dandy.

You should start your own thread that focuses on the liquids that fit your criteria. Call it Macerated Tobacco: The Only True NET. Then use it to expound on your ideas. There will probably be some people who like your ideas with whom you can discuss them. And I hope you'll attract at least one that shows up just to argue some arcane personal point that has nothing to do with the mission of your thread.

 

[MikeNice81]

Thinner wicks of what, Mike? Cotton, Hemp or Rayon? The thinner wicks could very well be your problem depending on the medium you're using. Post a pick of one of the wicks if you get a chance.

It turned out to be the wicks. I was using cotton, but not enough. They weren't tight enough in the coil to get properly heated. The more I turned it up the more flavor I got. Plus, at lower power there was a small amount of dripping through the bottom post. Then I pulled the head apart. Even when fully saturated they were sliding back and forth.

 

[boomerdude]

Here you go 8/5/14/release :

Vume Bell RDA Plume Veil Style Rebuilable Atomizer Clone USA Seller Pre Sale | eBay

Looking forward to the Plume Veil Clone myself when it's back in stock.

 

[boomerdude]

Glad your enjoying it Dusty. I think I've found the secret to getting a good cigar extract. I have four of them going with my new technique which I used on the Bueso. If it pans out, I will report how I did the extract.

Had some friends and neighbours over last night, some of whom smoke cigars/cigarillos. I was feeling left out, and there was such a mouth watering smell wafting all through the backyard. So, I rushed in and grabbed Boomers version of Ramon Bueso.. Dripping on a single coil at 1.2ohm running on a IGo W3 and Panzer. Let's just say that I had a lot of sniffers of the vape clouds, and did not feel left out for the rest of the evening.

Thanks Boomer! Damn good cigar vape there, my friend. I'm curious to see if my couple month steeped MVJ version will compare to what I just had last night. I remember it being a LOT lighter when I first tried it, when fresh.

Happy Sundy, y'all!

 

[boomerdude]

Glad your enjoying the Orlik Mike. I have some Tatiana Groovy Blue extracting and once I mix it I'll send you some to compare against the store bought. I think it will turn out to be the same, a la Poet & Scholar ( Tatiana Honey ).

I think my buds are going. I've been trying several different flavors over the weekend and noticed I'm having trouble distinguishing a lot of things. When it comes to simple tobacco flavors I'm okay. With juices that start piling on flavors I'm coming up blank. With Harvest on Hudson all I can say is fruit and some kind of cooking spice. With MFT's Groovy blue all I can say is something kind of booze like and berry occasionally. I think my buds are tripping out on me. Even on classic cigars I'm having trouble getting anything besides tobacco. I'm not able to pull apart the different types of tobacco involved.

I've moved to thinner wicks and I'm wondering if that has anything to do with it. I can't figure it out, but I'm getting frustrated. I might be passing on doing in depth reviews for awhile. On the upside, I have 74ml of unflavored nic base coming from MVJ. Soon I will be sitting on 89ml of Orlik made from Boomer's extract.

 

[Dusty_D]

Glad your enjoying it Dusty. I think I've found the secret to getting a good cigar extract. I have four of them going with my new technique which I used on the Bueso. If it pans out, I will report how I did the extract.

I don't need to know your secret, when I can get it from you directly in 3 days.

 

[AnthonyB]

No, I wouldn't suggest using the Signature Blends in a tank. They're some of the biggest NET gunkers.



Hey Ray!

I regularly vape W2v in tanks, particularly kangar based tanks. I rotate my coils in regular changing and cleaning patterns. Water clean or vodka clean usually gets about 4 cycles out of each coil. I tend to get 3-4 mls vaping on each with W2v juices.

For me it's worth the extra inconvenience.


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[boomerdude]

I agree, let's move on. Maybe if you quit mentioning your a Chemical Engineer it would help.

I won't even go there, I initiated the discussion and got he too busy which I fully understand. But understand that a chemist and a chemical engineer rarely agree about anything.

The point is ahl and aroma process the tobacco in such similar was physically that it is silly to ban one and not the other IMHO. That's all it is an opinion, one my taste buds agree with, admitting I haven't sampled all there products. Its not a big deal, let's move on before we start Physical Chemistry 201 discussions.

 

[shatner]

Never mind

 

[boomerdude]

Today I'm vaping GeJ's Wild Turkey for the first time. Very Dry with a hint of liquorice and pepper to my taste. So far it's a pleasant change from my usual rotation but not an ADV I think. Hmmnnn, i wonder, if I added just a touch of liquorice to American Spirit..............

 

[MikeNice81]

Glad your enjoying the Orlik Mike. I have some Tatiana Groovy Blue extracting and once I mix it I'll send you some to compare against the store bought. I think it will turn out to be the same, a la Poet & Scholar ( Tatiana Honey ).

My groovy blue came from MFT. His is definitely well made. I'm just going up and down with my buds. The wicks have been an issue. I think dehydration is playing a roll. I've only been averaging 64oz of liquid each day. I use to drink 90 - 110 everyday.

 

[CanOfBeans]

Cherry, your prose made my day.

 

[Brobdingnagian]

Here you go 8/5/14/release :

Vume Bell RDA Plume Veil Style Rebuilable Atomizer Clone USA Seller Pre Sale | eBay

Is this thing really awesome or something? I like that you can put twisted coils into the screw slots and not have to wrap them around just to get them to stay put, unlike my KFL clone.

If it's worth it, I'll place an order right now.

Also; Groovy Blue tastes good, but right now the flavor is hard to pin down. Definitely getting a hefty dose of tobacco and a hint of- what tastes like to me- blueberries. I'm giving this one a steep and the KGD treatment with a new twisted coil on a new device.

If this RBA/RDA is worth it, count on me buying one.

EDIT: I bought one. I couldn't resist. Plus it's not going to take however many days to arrive from China.

Now I'm excited to try something that has a well decent sized enough for microcoils with less fiddle factor, and plenty of juice/wick room.

I just wish that I'd seen it sooner so I could have ordered before today...well, now yesterday.

EDIT 2: Wow, this thing comes with a lot of features and extras. Once I saw the two wires and the large coils, I was sold and clicked "Buy Now".

Thanks for the link, Boomer.

There's more than 88% 91% of the stock sold, so if anyone else is game; better hurry on over and grab ya one.

I just got one. Though I'm sure I'll want another one, I don't want to be greedy or anything like that.

Plus, it leaves me the KFL to fiddle with. I much prefer being able to drip than try to deal with tanks.

With all the recent talk about TH and vaping, I find it pertinent to say this much to those unaware: coil gunk can significantly affect throat hit and overall vape quality. Monitor your coils closely.

I find microcoils to be much more gunk-resistant than standard coils, so for me at least- that's the way to go. Preference? Single triple-twisted 32AWG microcoil. Best performance so far out of the coils I've wrapped, and remarkably gunk resistant- 1.5Ω.

I can't tell you how many wraps it took, but it was quite a few.

I've since retired the coil because treated XC-116 doesn't really like to be yanked out of a coil build readily.

 

[regal55]

I very close approximation to RBFS Caven fever can be made from pipes and cigars Captain black Dark. I only discovered this after heat assist maceration and a month steep time. It close and I'm sure the more talented members could get it closer, but its definitely in the ball park. The Capt. Black dark is wonderful in a drippper at abot 16 watss.

 

[Brobdingnagian]

I very close approximation to RBFS Caven fever can be made from pipes and cigars Captain black Dark. I only discovered this after heat assist maceration and a month steep time. It close and I'm sure the more talented members could get it closer, but its definitely in the ball park. The Capt. Black dark is wonderful in a drippper at abot 16 watss.

I have some heavy-extract MvJ Captain Black Dark, and while I can't draw 16 watts on my VAMO, it is quite tasty stuff.

One of few Cav's I've tried so far, but I've pretty much enjoyed every one; as much as I enjoy my "heavy-hitters"; latakia and so on.

 

[Mr.Mann]

I very close approximation to RBFS Caven fever can be made from pipes and cigars Captain black Dark. I only discovered this after heat assist maceration and a month steep time. It close and I'm sure the more talented members could get it closer, but its definitely in the ball park. The Capt. Black dark is wonderful in a drippper at abot 16 watss.

I was vaping that liquid (CF) last night. Its pretty good, but I didn't stay with for much longer than a quick fill in the Origen -- after that I moved on.

 

[regal55]

But understand you'd be disagreeing with the chemist who created the product you are talking about. .

speculation

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CO2 is a solvent, water is a solvent, ALL the media used to extract tobacco -- PG, VG, and alcohol -- are solvents. So what? How does using CO2 make the result something other than an extracted tobacco?

You have some personal standard (that has never been explained in a way I can understand) for defining a liquid as an extracted tobacco that only you use, and that's just dandy.

You should start your own thread that focuses on the liquids that fit your criteria. Call it Macerated Tobacco: The Only True NET. Then use it to expound on your ideas. There will probably be some people who like your ideas with whom you can discuss them. And I hope you'll attract at least one that shows up just to argue some arcane personal point that has nothing to do with the mission of your thread.

And Methylene Chloride is a solvent, a good one. This thread I thought was to focus on not dangerous extractions, as Ahl's and Aromas can be without training. Plus you're just not getting the whole cow the way you do with a net. As far as aromas having there party so does Ahl. I agree time to move on our taste buds don't agree.



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[y cherry y]

This thread I thought was to focus on not dangerous extractions, as Ahl's and Aromas can be without training. Plus you're just not getting the whole cow the way you do with a net.

This thread you thought wrong. There was never a mandate here to discuss soaks exclusively. NET means "natural/extracted tobacco," not just macerations. Which is why I suggested you start a maceration-only NET thread, where you can make the rules and set the terms for discussion.

 

[checkum]

They ship, but you got to factor in the tag. I was eyeing that one too.

I dig some of the Euro vendors.

everything is taken care of on my end this A.M.
Hope we enjoy the Havano Dark when it arrives!!!
Thanks for the heads up Mr. Mann