Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

[NotSoMini]

About 3 weeks. Tried it right out of the mail and like it but put it aside for a little as I was diggin Patriot a little more out of the mail.

Thanks - I may let mine steep a little longer.

 

[MikeNice81]

I thought this might be appealing to the guys extracting flavored cigars. CAO Flavored sampler including one of each flavor.
CAO Flavours Sampler Box - PipesandCigars.com

Bella Vanilla uses the highest quality vanilla beans from Madagascar. The amazing flavors of the vanilla beans in these CAO cigars are blended with the rich Cuban seed tobaccos. The result is the perfect balance of rich flavor of a great vanilla cigar and an intoxicating aroma.

I thought that might be appealing to some of the guys liking Vita Bella.

 

[MFToms59]

Bill, on point summation on the evolution of NET juices and this thread... for the younger crowd, 1931 Ford Roadster with Rumble seat


BTW, I've been enjoying your NUB Cameroon the past 10 days, pairs well with my nightly coffee. Louisiana Red will be seeing the same type of devotion tomorrow evening.

MikeNice81, thanks for the kind words, and I agree we all have to choose which aspect of a NET's characteristics are most important, I'm middle of the road and like flavor with some degree of longevity on coil performance. I don't mine vaping a few extra mls on a somewhat gunky coil, for me it's just a bit smokier with a hint of bitterness which doesn't really bother me.

On another note, I did order a few AHL juices during their last sale, Smooth Criminal, Peachy Criminal, Maple Wildwood & Vanilla Wildwood. They seem to be fairly popular among a few of you, can't wait to try these NETS... eventually, I still have those RBFS juices waiting. I will say Hound Dog was very good, and my version is very close, I needed to find a different PB extract, Organic PB lacked flavor.

 

[Jerms]

I thought this might be appealing to the guys extracting flavored cigars. CAO Flavored sampler including one of each flavor.
CAO Flavours Sampler Box - PipesandCigars.com



I thought that might be appealing to some of the guys liking Vita Bella.

I clicked a link on that page that led to Hearth & Home Caramel Apple Pie. Any home extracters try that one yet?

 

[MikeNice81]

I clicked a link on that page that led to Hearth & Home Caramel Apple Pie. Any home extracters try that one yet?

Hearth & Home - Caramel Apple Pie (signature series) - Tobacco Reviews

 

[PaulBHC]

Sounds like you would be better to get apple pie and caramel flavoring and add it to a NET. I have done that with apple and caramel but no pie spices.

 

[BaccyFiend]

Personally, I am pulling for him. He is good people, period...and his juice is outstanding.

Here, here. I don't know him personally, but he seems like a good dude with a great product who just got through a really crappy period in his life. I wish him a bright future and all the health, happiness, and business success. I look forward to ordering some of my all-time favorite juices from him again and trying some of his new offerings.

 

[Mr.Mann]

I clicked a link on that page that led to Hearth & Home Caramel Apple Pie. Any home extracters try that one yet?

We definitely need more dessert tobaccos -- at least I think so.

 

[Jerms]

We definitely need more dessert tobaccos -- at least I think so.

I thought QuickNic released an apple pie NET, but I don't see it on their site. Some of the desserts in their premium line look pretty tempting though.

 

[Jerms]

I've talked up this juice before, but I gotta say that Bill's extraction of Hearth & Home Louisiana Red Pipe is the BEST Virginia I've had in a NET. The Perique plays an important role, but the Virginia is just spot on brilliant here. Home extracters looking for an amazing VA/Per blend pipe tobacco can't go wrong with this. Just splendid, delicious.... perfect.

 

[papabogart]

Here, here. I don't know him personally, but he seems like a good dude with a great product who just got through a really crappy period in his life. I wish him a bright future and all the health, happiness, and business success. I look forward to ordering some of my all-time favorite juices from him again and trying some of his new offerings.

I realize this is going to be unpopular, but as people come to this thread for NET insight, I feel compelled.

I wish him good health and no ill will, but no matter the excuses and justifications, failing to send product for months, not acknowledging client e-mails, ignoring ECF moderator inquiries, and failing to post on or close his store or even limit new orders (ala the old A+ system) while promptly processing customer charge accounts is a major character flaw in my world. If a person is so inconsiderate as not to offer me even minimal regard, I tend to apply the idiom: "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

I was a fan-boy.
Fan-boy no more.

 

[MFToms59]

Hearth & Home - Caramel Apple Pie (signature series) - Tobacco Reviews

One review, 2 stars, sweet tobacco with not much Apple or Carmel... doesn't look promising.

I've talked up this juice before, but I gotta say that Bill's extraction of Hearth & Home Louisiana Red Pipe is the BEST Virginia I've had in a NET. The Perique plays an important role, but the Virginia is just spot on brilliant here. Home extracters looking for an amazing VA/Per blend pipe tobacco can't go wrong with this. Just splendid, delicious.... perfect.

I mixed some of Bill's LR ~3 weeks ago and dripped a ml or two, like you I like the taste of Virginia, the addition of Perique adds an earthy element that balances the sweetness wonderfully. All-Niter with it tomorrow, finished off Bill's NUB Cameroon tonight, a bit more full bodied than my blend, not terribly hard on the coil, and enjoyable.

 

[Dustmight]

Hey dust, I'm very late here in responding because I am only now catching up to my own post.

I've got to run to the office but to be concise - I spoke to ken and learnt specifically that he is taking the extract and putting the required amount of nicotine.

Most of kens buyer based is a little less savvy than the sheer proponents and gurus of this thread so they don't know the process of maceration and mixing characteristics.

I recommend anyone who has Walkers liquids run a small test batch of mixing them at about 20-40% and letting them steep for a week or two.

Edit: there might be some minor dilution of the extract from the solvent that the nicotine is added with. The way Ken phrases it 'I use just the extract and include nicotine'

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Hey Anthony, I'm in the same boat as you here on the forum…convos morph faster than I can keep up with them! Thanks for clarifying this…I think. Straight from the horses mouth it seems. I guess I'm just perplexed as to why he would do this. Adding nic to extract with the intent for the customer to dilute to their desired ratio? It's kinda like baking a pie crust and then saying go get yer own apples and smash them in later, and it's up to you to figure out how much. And vaping pure extract? If his customer base are "less savvy NET lovers", I feel for them and their poor gunky hardware. Dude is chewing thru a metric .... ton of tobacco with this processes as well. Maybe someone should tell him he'd make a lot more $$$ by diluting the extract and saving people on wick and wire. But I digress...

 

[Dustmight]

HOLY CRAP. Sorry Dustmight. How could I forget you...I am vaping your ROyal Cajun as I type this!

NO MORE JUICE FOR YOU!…Juicy. Hahahaha. J/k. Thanks for the props!

 

[PaulBHC]

Agree on the LR and add to that Virginia Spice. Having that one tonight.

 

[papabogart]

ROFL !!!

Thoroughly amused that it isn't censored

Gobsmacked maybe?

 

[billherbst]

I spoke to ken and learnt specifically that he is taking the extract and putting the required amount of nicotine.

I guess I'm just perplexed as to why he would do this. Adding nic to extract with the intent for the customer to dilute to their desired ratio? It's kinda like baking a pie crust and then saying go get yer own apples and smash them in later, and it's up to you to figure out how much. And vaping pure extract? If his customer base are "less savvy NET lovers", I feel for them and their poor gunky hardware. Dude is chewing thru a metric .... ton of tobacco with this processes as well. Maybe someone should tell him he'd make a lot more $$$ by diluting the extract and saving people on wick and wire. But I digress...

I'm not sure what Anthony means when he refers to Ken Walker adding "the required amount of nicotine" to his extracts. Required by whom? The customer?

I don't know, but that whole set-up---selling extracts that may or may not need to be diluted to make juice, adding nicotine to concentrated extract---seems very wonky and wrong-headed to me.

 

[boomerdude]

I have to agree with you Papa. I would love to have some more of Clay's extracts. In addition to the problems you mentioned there's one more thing that really bothered me. As you said, he accepted customers money while said customers were under the impression they would receive the product in a few weeks, or according to the times stated on his site. My impression is that he used those funds to ship previous orders. It was a pyramid scheme of his own making and I do not feel as though I could continue to give him my business as much as I would love to get his products. I think what he did was indefensible.

I realize this is going to be unpopular, but as people come to this thread for NET insight, I feel compelled.

I wish him good health and no ill will, but no matter the excuses and justifications, failing to send product for months, not acknowledging client e-mails, ignoring ECF moderator inquiries, and failing to post on or close his store or even limit new orders (ala the old A+ system) while promptly processing customer charge accounts is a major character flaw in my world. If a person is so inconsiderate as not to offer me even minimal regard, I tend to apply the idiom: "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

I was a fan-boy.
Fan-boy no more.

 

[AnthonyB]

Hey Anthony, I'm in the same boat as you here on the forum…convos morph faster than I can keep up with them! Thanks for clarifying this…I think. Straight from the horses mouth it seems. I guess I'm just perplexed as to why he would do this. Adding nic to extract with the intent for the customer to dilute to their desired ratio? It's kinda like baking a pie crust and then saying go get yer own apples and smash them in later, and it's up to you to figure out how much. And vaping pure extract? If his customer base are "less savvy NET lovers", I feel for them and their poor gunky hardware. Dude is chewing thru a metric .... ton of tobacco with this processes as well. Maybe someone should tell him he'd make a lot more $$$ by diluting the extract and saving people on wick and wire. But I digress...

Sorry for the confusion Dust, Bill and others.

Trying to type a lengthy and well written response on IPhone is a handicap for sure.

I will elucidate what I meant with an example-

If I order La Gloria Cubano 18 mg nic, Ken will send me a bottle of La Gloria Cubana in its extract form with 18 mg nicotine. Based on what Ken has described to me his process, he will send the liquid of my choice at the requested nicotine level.

And that is what the experience of vaping it feels like e.g vaping an extract of a macerated tobacco with nicotine in it.

he doesn't sell extract with the purpose of the end user diluting the extract themselves.

He sells it as a final product and he recommends that users vape it as it is. I have also been told by others that mixing PG flavorless nic into the extract diminishes the flavour a bit. Having said that, the flavours are quite intense in their extract form.

That sounds a bit confusing to me but I can only put it down to those users not being aware that most, if not, all NETs are being mixed with Flavorless juice in creating the final product.

I can only surmise that the majority of users are not savvy and experienced NETizens who are well seasoned with having tried a variety of NETs from different vendors. This is reinforced by the fact that there is not much coverage of Walkers Tobacco Alternatives in this thread.

For my own purposes, I see great value in mixing them with flavorless PG. This increases the value one gets for their purchase, cuts down the gunk factor a bit and allows the juice to blossom a little beyond the murky concentration. Adding PG also allows the juices flavour base to blossom once it has fully steeped and it also provides a little more throat hit.

Having said all that, I find the liquids highly satisfying as they are in their end product form and intended to be Vaped by the vendor. My reason for diluting them is more to thin them down a little with PG and just to cut down that gunk factor a bit. In terms of flavor, I would be happy to vape them as they are.





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[Brobdingnagian]

Ok, just got off the phone for a long while with Clay from NETCOM. His report is that he is straightened out on all counts that have been speculated on (health, et al) and that had to come first, the business is straightened out (website, shop space, packaging materials, staff) and prepared for a full reopening, most, if not all current menu juices are in stock, and a number of new juices are in beta testing including the aforementioned Dark Caramel Tobacco, his take on an RY4 (coming from a man who once ranked QuickNicJuice as the #1 retail NET RY4 on market) which utilizes a unique bourbon vanilla, a Columbian Coffee/Burley juice, and a number of other all natural extractions including Apple and Maple (pinch me) . The website will remain down until every single outstanding order has been filled, which he hopes to be by the end of the day Wednesday, but anticipates to definitely be no later than Friday of this week. Once all outstanding orders have been filled the site will reopen and NETCOM will offer a 5-day sale of 15% off all orders, automatically deducted at checkout.

On a personal level, he sounded good, positive, excited to be pulling out of the business tailspin, and most of all very thankful for his customers...many of which were new clients he has already contacted and turned from critics to loyal customers moving forward. He is committed to delivering on every single order he took and is almost caught up, and he is extremely appreciative for the clients he has. He is committed to and about a month into the process of returning messages to those who reached out to him, in order from oldest to newest message he received. He sounded fired up and optimistic about the future, and with the stock and staff in place to deliver he is super excited about the grand re-opening this week.

Personally, I am pulling for him. He is good people, period...and his juice is outstanding.

Great news all around.

I can't wait to order/test the beta blends out, even if I have to wait until they're out of beta; that's fine.

I think this will be the first NETRY4 I'll actually end up enjoying (no offense, GJ4, but ya just don't cut the mustard for me).

I also can't believe that I somehow predicted a sale. I never imagined it would be that much of a discount, though.

...Need to get my credit card ready and juiced up for this one.

Clay's take on Black Cavendish is actually quite special. I really enjoy it.

But you know, the resisting the urge to steep and all- pfft, I vape everything as it comes out of the mail; if it lasts long enough, then I guess that's steeping, right?



EDIT: Holy crap, this Blackberry Burley is good. I'll be getting a much larger bottle next order.