Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

[Mr.Mann]

Hey dust, I'm very late here in responding because I am only now catching up to my own post.

I've got to run to the office but to be concise - I spoke to ken and learnt specifically that he is taking the extract and putting the required amount of nicotine.

Most of kens buyer based is a little less savvy than the sheer proponents and gurus of this thread so they don't know the process of maceration and mixing characteristics.

I recommend anyone who has Walkers liquids run a small test batch of mixing them at about 20-40% and letting them steep for a week or two.

Edit: there might be some minor dilution of the extract from the solvent that the nicotine is added with. The way Ken phrases it 'I use just the extract and include nicotine'

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So the nic I ordered should be higher than I really want? Hmm...odd. And I am supposed to hope that my target nic is perfect for my preferred extract/solvent ratio? Seems to make more sense to just sell them as extracts -- since they are -- but without nic. And of course, it makes much more sense to tell the customers.

Edit: Never mind. I just saw Ants reply post #7554 where he explains it a bit more.

 

[AnthonyB]

Hey all,

It's rare that I come right out and ask a question but I am considering a small order from Goodejuice. I have plenty of liquids and enough to last me a lifetime if they would just last that long, but I miss having Goodejuice in my arsenal of choice.

What I would like to ask is how do you rate the new Godfather NET liquid? I saw some fairly mediocre reviews by some members soon after purchasing and the consensus seemed to be 'let's wait and see how it vapes when it steeps a bit'. Has anyone vaped it after a good steep and what is your opinion?

What about the analog NET? It was getting rave reviews when it first came out but I am not hearing too much about it lately. I am not sure how it has stood the test of time to mature and developed palates after it's initial novelty value.

Also, is the current batch of Patriot vaping as well as it used to?

 

[AnthonyB]

Hey Mann,

I understand you saw my follow up post but just to reinforce -

I tend to vape at 18 mg nicotine so I ordered them at 18 mg and then just added some 18 mg flavorless nic juice which keeps the final homemade mixed product at 18 mg.

I am still experimenting with trials to compare 1) mixed 40% Walkers and 60% flavorless PG and 2) just the extract form on it's own with no mixing.

As a preliminary finding, I actually prefer the La Gloria Cubana mixed with PG (once allowed to steep for a week or two). The added flavorless PG actually blossoms out the flavor profile a bit.

I would not recommend anyone purchase these liquids upon my opinions at this stage as I have not spent enough time with them nor mixed enough batches to properly compare a self-mixed batch versus the product as it is sold and intended to be vaped.

So the nic I ordered should be higher than I really want? Hmm...odd. And I am supposed to hope that my target nic is perfect for my preferred extract/solvent ratio? Seems to make more sense to just sell them as extracts -- since they are -- but without nic. And of course, it makes much more sense to tell the customers.

Edit: Never mind. I just saw Ants reply post #7554 where he explains it a bit more.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Hey Mann,

I understand you saw my follow up post but just to reinforce -

I tend to vape at 18 mg nicotine so I ordered them at 18 mg and then just added some 18 mg flavorless nic juice which keeps the final homemade mixed product at 18 mg.

I am still experimenting with trials to compare 1) mixed 40% Walkers and 60% flavorless PG and 2) just the extract form on it's own with no mixing.

As a preliminary finding, I actually prefer the La Gloria Cubana mixed with PG (once allowed to steep for a week or two). The added flavorless PG actually blossoms out the flavor profile a bit.

I would not recommend anyone purchase these liquids upon my opinions at this stage as I have not spent enough time with them nor mixed enough batches to properly compare a self-mixed batch versus the product as it is sold and intended to be vaped.

Oh yeah, I guess you could just add the VG/PG at the same ratio. D'uh. See, you can tell I am not a real DIYer. LOL.

 

[AnthonyB]

Perhaps you can provide some details of your staple coil Jerms. That sounds like my kind of coil. I am also in the segment of the market that wants to maximise flavour and I think a tighter draw on micro-coil is the way to go as well. Sounds perfect actually.

How many wraps do you do with the 28ga and what diameter nail/screw/needle are you wrapping it on? What atomizer are generally building these on?

Bill, the only reason I'm experimenting with this craziness is the Veritas kind of requires it lol. If I had my druthers I would slap in a single horizontal, 1 ohm micro and call it a day; but this dripper don't play like that.

I've done some experimenting with alternate builds, but not much since I found my holy grail early on of the 28ga single micro at 1ohm that you described. Honestly, the more complex stuff that I've tried doesn't surpass the simple perfection of that build. You and I vape pretty much the same rebuildables, the tiny drippers with the tight draw, an area I think the simple micro remains king. The crazy builds are more for open draws, unique rebuildables, and cloud chasing.

I think for guys like you and I that want the best flavor possible in a device that matches our vaping style, complex builds usually aren't better, they're just more complex.

 

[MikeNice81]

I've talked up this juice before, but I gotta say that Bill's extraction of Hearth & Home Louisiana Red Pipe is the BEST Virginia I've had in a NET. The Perique plays an important role, but the Virginia is just spot on brilliant here. Home extracters looking for an amazing VA/Per blend pipe tobacco can't go wrong with this. Just splendid, delicious.... perfect.

I haven't had Bill's, but I have had Johni's. I will say it is a great Va/Per mix to start from. Even with the double stage filtering that Johni does it has a great mature Virginia taste and nice perique body notes. If a new extractor is looking for a Va/Per to use, they could do a whole lot worse. I have thoroughly enjoyed Johni's version. In fact, I'm enjoying it now.

I think Orlik Sun Sliced is just as good. It goes in a different direction though. It is a mix of yellow and golden VAs with perique. It has a nice zesty sweetness with a nice bit of musty/plum perique that keeps it from flying off the handle. It is a brighter mix that I once referred to as "the nectar of the gods" after a good steep. It should also be in any Va/Per lovers stash.

 

[FranC]

Mike,I ordered 3 of the MVJ cigars you recommended.

 

[MikeNice81]

Mike,I ordered 3 of the MVJ cigars you recommended.

Oh no. Now the pressure is on.

Just remember, the more age they have the better they are. If it is a fresh mix you need to give it at least a month. There are flavors that don't even fully develop in the first weeks.

Which one's did you order?

 

[MikeNice81]

I got a Carlos Torano Salutem extracted juice from the friend of a friend. There is almost no flavor and what is there is so single note that I'm completely perplexed. That cigar should be a shining star. It is an 89 rated stick with a "classic" flavor profile. This extract tasted like a flat mess. It reminded me of some generic synthetic labeled "cigar." It has about three months steep on it. (He sent me a bit of his own final mix.) So, I don't think that is the issue.

The worst part is that something in the base is effing with my tongue. It feels like I'm dragging 80 grit sandpaper across my tongue. This bottle is going in the trash. It makes me want to buy one and extract it just to see if the guy was incompetent or the cigar just failed to translate.

 

[FranC]

Oh no. Now the pressure is on.

Just remember, the more age they have the better they are. If it is a fresh mix you need to give it at least a month. There are flavors that don't even fully develop in the first weeks.

Which one's did you order?

The Alec Bradley,STP Cao Italia and Garo Double habanero

 

[Dustmight]

Hey Mann,

I understand you saw my follow up post but just to reinforce -

I tend to vape at 18 mg nicotine so I ordered them at 18 mg and then just added some 18 mg flavorless nic juice which keeps the final homemade mixed product at 18 mg.

I am still experimenting with trials to compare 1) mixed 40% Walkers and 60% flavorless PG and 2) just the extract form on it's own with no mixing.

As a preliminary finding, I actually prefer the La Gloria Cubana mixed with PG (once allowed to steep for a week or two). The added flavorless PG actually blossoms out the flavor profile a bit.

I would not recommend anyone purchase these liquids upon my opinions at this stage as I have not spent enough time with them nor mixed enough batches to properly compare a self-mixed batch versus the product as it is sold and intended to be vaped.

Hey Anthony, while I'm not here to shoot the proverbial messenger, I have to agree with Bill. This is just plain wonky. If it weren't for your research and sharing this with us, we'd be in the dark (like the liquid) on this vital information. Which brings me to my biggest gripe. He needs to be clear about this on his order page. Plain and simple. What makes it even worse is he's shredding up VERY expensive cigars and expecting the uninitiated to kill their hardware on the resulting sludge. It's a very misguided model and I have no doubt people will catch on to it eventually.

 

[BaccyFiend]

I have to agree with you Papa. I would love to have some more of Clay's extracts. In addition to the problems you mentioned there's one more thing that really bothered me. As you said, he accepted customers money while said customers were under the impression they would receive the product in a few weeks, or according to the times stated on his site. My impression is that he used those funds to ship previous orders. It was a pyramid scheme of his own making and I do not feel as though I could continue to give him my business as much as I would love to get his products. I think what he did was indefensible.

I personally find it logically impossible to jump to the conclusion of some sort of malicious pyramid scheme absent some proof, which none of us have or probably ever will have. There are a myriad of possibilities for the delay and continued acceptance of new orders, including perhaps just being overly optimistic that he could get caught up in a short amount of time. We can only speculate and will probably never know.

Call me a sucker or naive, but I tend to subscribe to the three strikes idiom vs. fool me once/twice. We're all human and have all made mistakes that have impacted others. I did get the benefit of my bargain, eventually. What matters most now is lessons learned and actions going forward. Clay seems to be off on the right foot with adequate staffing for future contingencies, technical know-how to manage website orders, and a solid sale. Speaking of which, someone please post the details of that sale once they are available.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[rdsok]

Obviously boomerdude needs to look up the definition for "pyramid scheme" since he used it incorrectly... but what he is displeased about can't simply be dismissed by his poor choice of wording.

While I understand why some are unhappy and unwilling to put any faith into doing further business with N-E-T.com... I'm not one of those and I also don't consider myself a "fanboy" even though I do enjoy the products that Clay sells. I do however feel that there is a reason that we don't know of that kept Clay from being able to stay in contact and whatever it was, was unavoidable.

 

[Jerms]

Perhaps you can provide some details of your staple coil Jerms. That sounds like my kind of coil. I am also in the segment of the market that wants to maximise flavour and I think a tighter draw on micro-coil is the way to go as well. Sounds perfect actually.

How many wraps do you do with the 28ga and what diameter nail/screw/needle are you wrapping it on? What atomizer are generally building these on?

My most used build is just a standard compressed micro coil, 1.5mm to 1.7mm (around 1/16 inch inner diameter). Sometimes I go a little bigger into mini territory, about 1.7mm to 1.9mm. However many wraps it takes to get the 28ga to 1 ohm, often 7-9 wraps. That's just purely for the reason that 1 ohm 28ga Kanthal is the level of power I prefer using mechs. If I had a variable power unit that could go higher than 15 watts, I would make the coil closer to 1.5 ohms so I could make more wraps.

My drippers are just basic ones with a side airhole small enough to get a tighter draw, and a small chamber to maximize flavor, like the IGO-S, ERA, A6. My personal favorite is my EHPro Atomic clone. It's has more options than I need, like 3 posts and a bunch of airflow options for single or dual coils. I just stick to the same single micro and only use the smallest airhole. There's a bunch of new drippers I want to try that reportedly give great flavor like the Magma, Origen, Plume Veil, etc.

 

[MikeNice81]

Trying out MTF's Milan Black Gold again. A little extra steep did it some good. The muddle of flavors is no longer there. At first I got a nice dose of the Maduro cavendish that imparted a cigar like quality over everything. Then the cigar faded and the Burley came through with a bit of black Cavendish. The Virginias are barely there. They seem to be lifting the flavor profile up with a sprinkling of high notes. They aren't readily recognizable as the sweeter VA taste from a VA/Per blend. They just shine some light on the darkness. The chocolate undertones are coming through as being a darker chocolate. They remind me of the dark chocolate on a Clif Builder bars. The coffee comes and goes as a tertiary note.

I give this a thumbs up. After some more steeping this will make a mighty fine night time vape.

Mini PT3 with cotton ball wicks on an Evod battery regulated to 3.7 volts. Resistance around 2.1 - 2.2 ohms.

 

[Big Juicy]

I realize this is going to be unpopular, but as people come to this thread for NET insight, I feel compelled.

I wish him good health and no ill will, but no matter the excuses and justifications, failing to send product for months, not acknowledging client e-mails, ignoring ECF moderator inquiries, and failing to post on or close his store or even limit new orders (ala the old A+ system) while promptly processing customer charge accounts is a major character flaw in my world. If a person is so inconsiderate as not to offer me even minimal regard, I tend to apply the idiom: "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

I was a fan-boy.
Fan-boy no more.

I would think, given your signature line, that you'be more than aware of the fact that "character flaws" can be overcome and amends for past transgressions successfully made. Those amends may not always be taken as one would want, but they can be made nonetheless and MUST be for the person to move on and heal.

That said, I wouldn't advise anyone who has any misgivings about a vendor do business with them. Excuses and justifications...even if facts...cannot change the past. I will say he offered no laundry list of excuses to me, merely amends and excitement about righting the wrongs of the past and moving forward. He knows this will be a long process and he says he is committed to that. The only thing Clay can do for clients he has lost or those who are reluctant to do business with him is to make amends to those people who ordered with him the last few months, and make essentially living amends to the market as a whole by providing exemplary customer service moving forward. What the market bears after that is out of his control and none of his business.

 

[Big Juicy]

i haven't had bill's, but i have had johni's. I will say it is a great va/per mix to start from. Even with the double stage filtering that johni does it has a great mature virginia taste and nice perique body notes. If a new extractor is looking for a va/per to use, they could do a whole lot worse. I have thoroughly enjoyed johni's version. In fact, i'm enjoying it now.

I think orlik sun sliced is just as good. It goes in a different direction though. It is a mix of yellow and golden vas with perique. It has a nice zesty sweetness with a nice bit of musty/plum perique that keeps it from flying off the handle. It is a brighter mix that i once referred to as "the nectar of the gods" after a good steep. It should also be in any va/per lovers stash.

ditto to all

 

[MikeNice81]

ditto to all

You should have a care package by Friday. One of the HHV bottles had less than I thought. So, it may just be a tease.

 

[Big Juicy]

You should have a care package by Friday. One of the HHV bottles had less than I thought. So, it may just be a tease.

Holy crap, I forgot all about that!

Yes mates and mateesses, Mike is getting some legit HHV offerings into ole Big Juicy's head. Contrary to what many who don't know me well may think, I am an optimist almost to a fault...and often naive...so I have high hopes for these liquids. Kind of excited once and for all to see what many others see in these offerings.

Thanks Mikey!

 

[MikeNice81]

Holy crap, I forgot all about that!

Yes mates and mateesses, Mike is getting some legit HHV offerings into ole Big Juicy's head. Contrary to what many who don't know me well may think, I am an optimist almost to a fault...and often naive...so I have high hopes for these liquids. Kind of excited once and for all to see what many others see in these offerings.

Thanks Mikey!

I liked them, but I moved away from 18mg. So, they were of no use to me. I think you'll find them as pleasant occasional vapes at the least.

You're welcome. That is part of why we're here. This is a community of obsess... I mean dedicated folks with a common hobby. We're all just trying to help grow the knowledge base and community. There is a reason several vendors lurk through our neighborhood.