Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

[lavender1742]

Your dryness issue could be too much PG in the mix, some are sensitive to PG and get a dry feeling especially at higher levels like 70/30 or 80/20, does this happen with non-NET juices? Cellu-cotton could be another culprit, a few vapers have had sore/ dry throats after vaping for a day or two, so getting a higher VG mix or changing your wick material is the place to start.

If your using low nicotine and/ or high VG blends, TH will decrease, you could get stronger TH, using a drop per ~5ml to start, of Vodka or Pure Grain Alcohol (PGA) in your vape juice.

Oh, welcome to the thread

I use high vg mostly but never less than 50/50 and I typically mix between 9-10mg I get it from time to time with others but I have noticed certain NETs to be very dry tasting I prefer a "wetter" vape. Don't use cellucotton either just regular cotton been using the same bag for probably 8 months lol. I just notice that whatever VCV uses they have a great TH I even detect one at 6mg its milder but its there. I really thing their flavoring may be alc based and that's what does it. Nothing else explains it. I have heard pharmaceutical grade pg can be a little harsher than food grade but I haven't heard that about VG so its gotta be something else and that's my best guess since they are pg free. I do have a little airplane bottle of vodka I bought just for diy stuff so I could definitely try that.

Ive been lurking around I may have even posted before not sure though but thanks!!

 

[regal55]

. Sutcliff PS Golden Age; a blend of Black Cavendish mixed with Perique - all coarse cut and air cured. 1881 Perique Cigar; the 1881 Perique sports an Indonesian Java wrapper and a Philippine binder. Nestled inside you will find a three country mix of Brazilian, USA Perique, and Philippine fillers.

I added Captain Black Regular,

My favorite of self extracted NETs right now is Captain Black Dark, it really is a nice black Cavendish, I can't imagine a better on so now I am looking for a Perique + Cav to try. I looked up Sutcliff PS Golden Age on pipes and cigars and it said it was a prerique + Virginia no mention of cav?

 

[checkum]

I'm not a fan of overly sweet tobaccos but some very nice sweeter, flavored tobaccos have been home extracted lately. clnire has extracted several including Hearth and Home Signature Grandma's Kitchen which I'm really enjoying. I just finished an extraction of Missouri Meerschaum Great Dane, a deep, dark cherry tobacco flavor along with vanilla and caramel and it is rockin' my boat tonight. So Mann, there are some new, good desert tobaccos out there, you just have to ask.

Lately, I have been filtering extracts down to 2.5 microns and can attest that it does help clarify the extract and minimize particulates without compromising flavor. Coils will still gunk although it takes longer, primarily due to sugars cased on the tobacco. Sugar molecules are too small to filter without filtering out flavor molecules.

Glad to hear Clay is back in the saddle and wish him much success.

Say what you will about 2.5 micron filtering, I'm enjoy enjoying, to no end, the Centenary juice I received from Johni.

 

[checkum]

I ordered up 3 micron filters because of your juice. I was surprised how good the taste was for the clarity and performance. You've definitely found that middle ground that so many have hunted for. I've went through a whole T3D with your juices. That is unusual for the home brews I've tried. If Amazon hadn't listed a 1 to 3 month ship time for the 2.5 micron size I needed I would have been right there with you.

On another note. When my extracts are finished I'll be sending out samples of the extract to the three guys that have been nice enough to share their works. (If I have any bottles. ) I'm hoping it lives up to what I've received so far.

3 micron filters sound like a winner to me. However, when I get time to start doing my extractions I do not know which filtering method I will choose. I truly enjoy both johni's method 2.5 micron and Bill's [French coffee maker] filtering method.
Where do you purchase yours?

 

[MikeNice81]

My Black Gold hasn't been touched yet, still steeping in a dark cupboard. Once I've devoured this 10mls of Louisiana Red, ~5 days, Black Gold will be dedicated to my Copper Vein REO/ Bottom-Feed IGo set-up for 1ohm.

I liked it. The only issue I had was when I got near the bottom of my PT3. The combination of sugars and coffee flavoring gunked me up faster than I expected. Before I finished there was a strong thick virginia sweetness. So, you might want to watch for that. Otherwise it is a really strong performer. It is better than the Vermillion River nets I tried and the flavor hangs around in the vape longer than the netcom coconut cavendish. For me that one lost the coconut flavor in less than 0.5ml.

1881 Perique Cigar; the 1881 Perique sports an Indonesian Java wrapper and a Philippine binder. Nestled inside you will find a three country mix of Brazilian, USA Perique, and Philippine fillers.

You beat me to it. I had that one sitting in my cart at Pipes and Cigars. We may have to work out a trade on that one.

You're S&S should settle after it's completely soaked, if your liquid is 1/4" or less above the tobacco you should be O.K., if you have a bit more to add, a pinch or two should work.

I actually ran into the opposite problem after it soaked last night. The S&S was so dry that it soaked up all of the extra pg and about 5% - 10% of it was above the liquid line. I actually added some pg to the mix.

It is back in the warm bath for a couple more hours. I decided to start the Milan Celebration this morning. So, I tossed the other two back in to swim with it. The ones from last night will have a six hour warm bath start and the Celebration will get a 2.5 hour jump start. I'm keeping the temperature on my stove set to "low." It is warm but you can stick your finger in the water without it getting uncomfortable. It just feels like somebody ran a really hot bath. Hopefully that will help some.

 

[MikeNice81]

I use high vg mostly but never less than 50/50 and I typically mix between 9-10mg I get it from time to time with others but I have noticed certain NETs to be very dry tasting I prefer a "wetter" vape. Don't use cellucotton either just regular cotton been using the same bag for probably 8 months lol. I just notice that whatever VCV uses they have a great TH I even detect one at 6mg its milder but its there. I really thing their flavoring may be alc based and that's what does it. Nothing else explains it. I have heard pharmaceutical grade pg can be a little harsher than food grade but I haven't heard that about VG so its gotta be something else and that's my best guess since they are pg free. I do have a little airplane bottle of vodka I bought just for diy stuff so I could definitely try that.

Ive been lurking around I may have even posted before not sure though but thanks!!

I've heard from others on the boards that some of their juice has an alcohol smell to it when fresh. There could be alcohol in the flavoring or they could be cutting the VG with alcohol to make it stretch. Both are speculation though.

I've noticed that certain types of tobacco dry my throat and mouth faster. Anything with Latakia in it makes me feel like the Sahara unless I'm constantly drinking. It may be the particular type of tobacco in the net you're vaping. Does it happen with all nets?

 

[MikeNice81]

3 micron filters sound like a winner to me. However, when I get time to start doing my extractions I do not know which filtering method I will choose. I truly enjoy both johni's method 2.5 micron and Bill's [French coffee maker] filtering method.
Where do you purchase yours?

These are the filters I purchased. They are good quality and cheaper than Whatman filters. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I haven't had Bill's extracts. I have had MFT's. They are filtered through a doubled coffee filter and then a 5 micron filter. They have a good taste. I don't think the flavors are as clearly defined as Johni's. That is part of why I decided to go with a 3 micron gravity feed filtration.

Bill's method does have the advantage of being faster. With steeping the flavor nuances should be about the same either way. I'm just a big fan of the more. . . open and crisp feel of the lower micron filtration method. I really think there is a time and place for both methods. If you have the money, time, and inclination, getting a set up for both could be worth while. The 5 micron method may work better for mild and mild to medium cigars and mild body pipes.

I'm still trying to figure it all out myself. For me getting 2ml of juice to run through a rewicked Kanger T3D is a huge factor. So, it looks like lower is better for me, most of the time.

 

[clnire]

Lavendar and I have been chatting about cigar nets and she mentioned she is looking at MVJ with their sale. Anyone recommend some basic cigars for a beginner cigar vaper? I Love boomer's Tatiana Vanilla, have 2 Rocky Patel's from Bill steeping. I also vape higher vg, however, so I like to allow a good steep for flavor development so not quite ready to sample them yet.

 

[MikeNice81]

Lavendar and I have been chatting about cigar nets and she mentioned she is looking at MVJ with their sale. Anyone recommend some basic cigars for a beginner cigar vaper? I Love boomer's Tatiana Vanilla, have 2 Rocky Patel's from Bill steeping. I also vape higher vg, however, so I like to allow a good steep for flavor development so not quite ready to sample them yet.

If you're looking MVJ, the 5 Vegas Gold Maduro could be a good place to start. The analog is said to be more on the cocoa, leather, oak, dark tobacco, and some bitter sweet chocolate. The spice is mild and the body is medium. With a good long steep the vape version may be a good starting point.

I thought the Garo Double Habano was a good smooth vape with a laid back spice profile. It was my go to for resetting my palate when I vaped on silica wicks.

The Perdomo Lot 23 may also be worth a look.

 

[clnire]

Thanks Mike!

Hot Dang! I can't put down boomer's PS #21 Black Vanilla! I love a good black cavendish and with the vanilla hint to this it is heaven (to me). On the sweeter side, with a definite vanilla tinge. Delish!!

 

[MikeNice81]

MFT's Opulence 3 is even better than his Padron. It is now my favorite cigar extract to date, bar none. I would heavily consider this for my desert island vape.

I have tried a number of cigars from retail sources and from three of our homebrewers. I can say, honestly, that I have not been more impressed by the consistency of any string of cigar or cigar like vapes. From the Nub Cameroon to the Nat Sherman MFT has displayed a deft touch with his stogies. Of all of them them, the Opulence 3 has been the one that most vividly captures the imagination and fools the palette. To say it is like sticking your head in a batch of cigars and inhaling would be putting things on the right path without much hyperbole. The flavor density isn't so high it becomes overbearing and the leaves seem to shine through in a way that is absolutely crazy. If I didn't know this was from one of the Acid sublines, I would never believe it.

 

[MikeNice81]

Thanks Mike!

Hot Dang! I can't put down boomer's PS #21 Black Vanilla! I love a good black cavendish and with the vanilla hint to this it is heaven (to me). On the sweeter side, with a definite vanilla tinge. Delish!!

If you can separate MFT from some Nat Sherman extract, it would be a good starting point. It is a good version of the more laid back dominican style. Nat Sherman was known for mild but flavorful cigars. They are in line with what I would smoke after a long night doing live sound in a small club. It is great for beginners or for melting away hours of being in hyper drive and getting your senses beaten on. My uncle calls them "sunday morning" cigars.

 

[Kataphraktos]

I use high vg mostly but never less than 50/50 and I typically mix between 9-10mg I get it from time to time with others but I have noticed certain NETs to be very dry tasting I prefer a "wetter" vape. Don't use cellucotton either just regular cotton been using the same bag for probably 8 months lol. I just notice that whatever VCV uses they have a great TH I even detect one at 6mg its milder but its there. I really thing their flavoring may be alc based and that's what does it. Nothing else explains it. I have heard pharmaceutical grade pg can be a little harsher than food grade but I haven't heard that about VG so its gotta be something else and that's my best guess since they are pg free. I do have a little airplane bottle of vodka I bought just for diy stuff so I could definitely try that.

Ive been lurking around I may have even posted before not sure though but thanks!!

The ladies who started VCV did so because they have severe PG allergies, and could not find any true PG-free juices in the market (at the time). They use alcohol in place of PG as a carrier. Their pure VG juices are therefore more subtle than other 100% VG juices that may still use trace amounts of PG in the flavor base. I have found that their juices do not change as much as others during the first few weeks of ownership. Their non-tobacco juices tend to lose some flavor after many months. I have juices from 6 months ago, and they are definitely muted compared to when I first received them. I do not experience this with their tobaccos, like White Beard, BUT I order non-tobaccos from them in 0mg and tobaccos in 6-12mg, so this might also be a factor.

 

[boomerdude]

I'm not sure if MVJ has an Alec Bradley Tempus but I'm vaping Bill's version and it's really good.

Lavendar and I have been chatting about cigar nets and she mentioned she is looking at MVJ with their sale. Anyone recommend some basic cigars for a beginner cigar vaper? I Love boomer's Tatiana Vanilla, have 2 Rocky Patel's from Bill steeping. I also vape higher vg, however, so I like to allow a good steep for flavor development so not quite ready to sample them yet.

 

[Big Juicy]

I remain utterly perplexed by this Maple Wild Wood. I think I enjoy it, but not at all sure if it is a reorder. I will tell you this, I don't "get" it at all. I don;t get maple really at all...not a hearty, earthy maple and not a sweet maple syrup either. I get a very pleasant thing I can best describe as spun sugar with a touch of molasses (?) that I think a great many of you who like lighter tobacco vapes, or slightly sweet but not dessert tobacco vapes might really, really like. It is extremely pleasant and ADV-able, but not sure it is pushing any big buttons for me. I just cant get over the name vs the flavor maybe? It's a real enigma. Anyone else have thoughts on this one?

 

[boomerdude]

Okay Mike, guess I'll put that one on my P&T list. Your description has me chomping at the bit.

If you can separate MFT from some Nat Sherman extract, it would be a good starting point. It is a good version of the more laid back dominican style. Nat Sherman was known for mild but flavorful cigars. They are in line with what I would smoke after a long night doing live sound in a small club. It is great for beginners or for melting away hours of being in hyper drive and getting your senses beaten on. My uncle calls them "sunday morning" cigars.

 

[checkum]

These are the filters I purchased. They are good quality and cheaper than Whatman filters. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I haven't had Bill's extracts. I have had MFT's. They are filtered through a doubled coffee filter and then a 5 micron filter. They have a good taste. I don't think the flavors are as clearly defined as Johni's. That is part of why I decided to go with a 3 micron gravity feed filtration.

Bill's method does have the advantage of being faster. With steeping the flavor nuances should be about the same either way. I'm just a big fan of the more. . . open and crisp feel of the lower micron filtration method. I really think there is a time and place for both methods. If you have the money, time, and inclination, getting a set up for both could be worth while. The 5 micron method may work better for mild and mild to medium cigars and mild body pipes.

I'm still trying to figure it all out myself. For me getting 2ml of juice to run through a rewicked Kanger T3D is a huge factor. So, it looks like lower is better for me, most of the time.

webpage will not open.....error is all I get

 

[MikeNice81]

Okay Mike, guess I'll put that one on my P&T list. Your description has me chomping at the bit.

MFT did the 1930 and it came out very well. I have been eyeballing the Sterla, but $11.20 for my prefered size is a little steep. The Timeless was a top 25 pick in Cigar Aficionado magazine. The price is much more reasonable.

 

[MikeNice81]

webpage will not open.....error is all I get

That is weird it worked for me this morning. It has stopped working now.

Just look up Ahlstrom 3 micron filters on Amazon. It should lead you to the correct page.

 

[boomerdude]

Today I'm vaping Bill's Alec Bradley Tempus Cigar extract.

This vape has me feeling like the Straw Man from The Wizard of Oz. First there's some of me over there, and there, and a big pile over there. From the description I expected a big hit of woodsy pepper. The much darker color of the juice, mixed at 20% 50/50 12 mg, is quite different than the lighter gold to orange color of other cigar extracts I've tried. Bill's extract and the juice are a dark brown. I have to say that I'm not into cigars as much as pipe tobacco being that most cigars I have extracted have been on the light side. On a Squid 1.4 ohm coil with cotton I went from 4.2 Volts down to 3.5 Volts and the lower power seemed to tame the vape where I could actually taste Criollo through the peppery and spicy Maduro wrapper. A cooler vape in an Evod 1.8 at 4 Volts gave me a sweet, cigar tobacco flavor that I assume is the Nicaraguan and Honduran tobacco's. I'm not that familiar with those as I mostly vaped Dominican. It's nice to find a cigar vape where the different tobacco's come through that you can taste the difference. I don't get that much from most cigar extracts.

I had an old Boge Fusion still in it's wrapper that I planned on using and what I had left of 3 mls went into it and on a 510 Stick giving me 3.7 Volts. This brew changed completely. I'm ... looking to see if I used the wrong bottle. I'm out of the woods and pepper, getting a sweet, creamy Criollo with no bite at all. Still, very good, almost preferable although the Honduran and Nicaraguan flavor is missing. There's an under-taste I can't remember ever experiencing, it's almost like Clove but not exactly. Maybe the Indonesian?

All in all I think cigar lovers will take to this right away. Bill has worked his magic again and while it's not an ADV for me, it might be for you. I will go back to this again and finish off the extract maybe mixing it at 15-17% next time.