Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

[Midniteoyl]

Ya know (change of topic ), I just hit my 10th Ethervape refill using the coils below rewicked with cotton in a MT3S. Same wicks and coils, no dry burn or anything. Only thing I did once about 3 fills ago was rinse them off under tap water with the chimney still in place real quick as the juice was starting to thicken on them. Vapor and flavor have been good throughout.

Says something about these coils and Ethervapes filtering


You guys have seen this pic before:

 

[boomerdude]

Do you get a lot of popping from the rinse? Or does the dry burn get rid of the residual water?

Ya know (change of topic ), I just hit my 10th Ethervape refill using the coils below rewicked with cotton in a MT3S. Same wicks and coils, no dry burn or anything. Only thing I did once about 3 fills ago was rinse them off under tap water with the chimney still in place real quick as the juice was starting to thicken on them. Vapor and flavor have been good throughout.

Says something about these coils and Ethervapes filtering


You guys have seen this pic before:


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[Brobdingnagian]

After my last post, I decided to disassemble and scrub the Plume Veil clone and let it dry.

Just had a chance to sit down, recoiled the it with a single 1.5Ω coil, loosely tucked the edges of the cotton so they were just barely touching the deck;

added a few drops of juice..... and I'll say this:

at 6w, NETCom's Poilu is astounding.

I tried Chris' Blend in there as well, but it almost brought out too much flavor, if that makes any sense.

all bottom airflow holes lined up, single air vent next to the coil open, second closed, top airflow holes above the delrin screwed shut.

This thing is really starting to impress me. Apparently I was just botching the build each time/ being impatient with it.

Now we're getting along just fine.

So this is what the Latakia in Poilu really tastes like?


I'm putting Blackberry Burley in here next. Here goes...


EDIT: Tasty! Even after I let off the button, this thing is steaming like the Delorean in Back to the Future.

EDIT 2: You know, I'm thinking 15mg nic might be a bit too much. Just maybe...

On the bright side, I don't think I'll need to vape for a little bit! Whoo!

I can see why you folks are digging RBAs so much, now. The flavor is very similar to what I get with my rebuilt EVOD Classic coil heads, but there's just so much more of it, like a punch to the face containing NET goodness. I'm sitting the "puffer" down for a minute.

 

[jefsview]

After my last post, I decided to disassemble and scrub the Plume Veil clone and let it dry.

Just had a chance to sit down, recoiled the it with a single 1.5Ω coil, loosely tucked the edges of the cotton so they were just barely touching the deck;

added a few drops of juice..... and I'll say this:

at 6w, NETCom's Poilu is astounding.

I tried Chris' Blend in there as well, but it almost brought out too much flavor, if that makes any sense.

all bottom airflow holes lined up, single air vent next to the coil open, second closed, top airflow holes above the delrin screwed shut.

This thing is really starting to impress me. Apparently I was just botching the build each time/ being impatient with it.

Now we're getting along just fine.

So this is what the Latakia in Poilu really tastes like?


I'm putting Blackberry Burley in here next. Here goes...


EDIT: Tasty! Even after I let off the button, this thing is steaming like the Delorean in Back to the Future.

EDIT 2: You know, I'm thinking 15mg nic might be a bit too much. Just maybe...

On the bright side, I don't think I'll need to vape for a little bit! Whoo!

I can see why you folks are digging RBAs so much, now. The flavor is very similar to what I get with my rebuilt EVOD Classic coil heads, but there's just so much more of it, like a punch to the face containing NET goodness. I'm sitting the "puffer" down for a minute.

The Plume Veil is a decent little atty. The Magma still out performs it with a similar build, but the PV clone can hold it's own, especially if you fiddle with the various adjustments to bring out the best of a particular liquid.

I now have 2 Infinite Magma clones, both from 101vape and both with brash AFC rings. One is a 1:1 clone, while the second one ordered is logoless. The logo-less one is annoying, since the word "MAGMA" was a marker for the one airhole

Both the Magma and PV clones are a big step up from my previous Phoenix V1/V4 clones and Scar. And -- dangit if I'm not enjoying the looser airflow these days.

I had to treat myself since this past month or so has been hell. I lost my brother-in-law in a car wreak, my own car was rear-ended the day before his funeral and totaled, and my aunt is in her last days with pancreatic cancer. Family members helped buy me a new used car, and I was able to keep the money from the insurance company for my totaled one. Ironically, that was the only way I could have afforded to purchase the drippers, a mech to replace the 510-stripped k100, and re-stock on eliquid.

The pleasure and satisfaction from the Magma and Plume Veil clones certainly help lift the depression from the past month.

 

[Brobdingnagian]

The Plume Veil is a decent little atty. The Magma still out performs it with a similar build, but the PV clone can hold it's own, especially if you fiddle with the various adjustments to bring out the best of a particular liquid.

I now have 2 Infinite Magma clones, both from 101vape and both with brash AFC rings. One is a 1:1 clone, while the second one ordered is logoless. The logo-less one is annoying, since the word "MAGMA" was a marker for the one airhole

Both the Magma and PV clones are a big step up from my previous Phoenix V1/V4 clones and Scar. And -- dangit if I'm not enjoying the looser airflow these days.

I had to treat myself since this past month or so has been hell. I lost my brother-in-law in a car wreak, my own car was rear-ended the day before his funeral and totaled, and my aunt is in her last days with pancreatic cancer. Family members helped buy me a new used car, and I was able to keep the money from the insurance company for my totaled one. Ironically, that was the only way I could have afforded to purchase the drippers, a mech to replace the 510-stripped k100, and re-stock on eliquid.

The pleasure and satisfaction from the Magma and Plume Veil clones certainly help lift the depression from the past month.

I appreciate the words of advice regarding the Magma and PV....but...

Man, I'm not going to "like" your post (because, well, I don't like what you're going through), but I will say this:

I'm sorry for your loss, offer my condolences, and I pray that your aunt has less pain.

I am glad to see that you are here, though, and wish that I could provide you words that would bring more solace.

However, I'm more than happy to provide good vibes and send them your way.

I know what you're feeling, man. I will use this moment to provide an adage that may help you with any stress you may be facing:

"This too shall pass".

I wish to refrain from becoming too philosophical, but I've lost several family members in the last few years- I know what you're going through.

I was also concerned that I hadn't seen you post recently.

Hit me up if you need to talk.

~Brob

 

[Midniteoyl]

Do you get a lot of popping from the rinse? Or does the dry burn get rid of the residual water?

Ita a very quick rinse, then I hold it on the palm of my hand in a paper towel for a few minutes.. A little popping, maybe. But I dont dry burn. Its wicked with cotton

 

[Midniteoyl]

The Plume Veil is a decent little atty. The Magma still out performs it with a similar build, but the PV clone can hold it's own, especially if you fiddle with the various adjustments to bring out the best of a particular liquid.

I now have 2 Infinite Magma clones, both from 101vape and both with brash AFC rings. One is a 1:1 clone, while the second one ordered is logoless. The logo-less one is annoying, since the word "MAGMA" was a marker for the one airhole

Both the Magma and PV clones are a big step up from my previous Phoenix V1/V4 clones and Scar. And -- dangit if I'm not enjoying the looser airflow these days.

I had to treat myself since this past month or so has been hell. I lost my brother-in-law in a car wreak, my own car was rear-ended the day before his funeral and totaled, and my aunt is in her last days with pancreatic cancer. Family members helped buy me a new used car, and I was able to keep the money from the insurance company for my totaled one. Ironically, that was the only way I could have afforded to purchase the drippers, a mech to replace the 510-stripped k100, and re-stock on eliquid.

The pleasure and satisfaction from the Magma and Plume Veil clones certainly help lift the depression from the past month.

Sorry to hear about your BIL and aunt..

 

[Dusty_D]

Dusty, just went to their website to paste the description of their non-aromatics which until very recently stated that they are NET based but may have synthetic tobacco flavoring as well, but i just saw this which really surprised me :

Tobacco Blends

Aromatic Tobacco Blends (No longer produced/sold): Previously made in house, extracted through various methods from additive free natural or certified organic tobacco. The strength of the finished flavoring is slightly different for each batch, so there may be slight variations to the strength of the finished product. Every recipe is tested and adjusted for each batch to make it as close to the original control as possible. Our aromatic blends are no longer being produced or sold.

Non Aromatic Blends: As the name implies, these do not contain any tobacco extracts, just tobacco flavoring.

Not sure if they have changed the formula or the previous description was inaccurate or what !

So, I'm not losing my mind then?! They are not NETs. Phew! Now, I can vape them as synthetics without wondering why my tastebuds are not detecting the NET in the juices.

I'll leave it up to you guys to figure out if they should stay on the NET list or not. Perhaps have them as a honorary mention for a solid vendor that used to carry A-List NETs.

 

[Dusty_D]

The Plume Veil is a decent little atty. The Magma still out performs it with a similar build, but the PV clone can hold it's own, especially if you fiddle with the various adjustments to bring out the best of a particular liquid.

I now have 2 Infinite Magma clones, both from 101vape and both with brash AFC rings. One is a 1:1 clone, while the second one ordered is logoless. The logo-less one is annoying, since the word "MAGMA" was a marker for the one airhole

Both the Magma and PV clones are a big step up from my previous Phoenix V1/V4 clones and Scar. And -- dangit if I'm not enjoying the looser airflow these days.

I had to treat myself since this past month or so has been hell. I lost my brother-in-law in a car wreak, my own car was rear-ended the day before his funeral and totaled, and my aunt is in her last days with pancreatic cancer. Family members helped buy me a new used car, and I was able to keep the money from the insurance company for my totaled one. Ironically, that was the only way I could have afforded to purchase the drippers, a mech to replace the 510-stripped k100, and re-stock on eliquid.

The pleasure and satisfaction from the Magma and Plume Veil clones certainly help lift the depression from the past month.

Sorry to hear about the rough time you and your family are going through. I was wondering why you had dropped off the radar. Sending good karma your way!

 

[RPadTV]

Dusty, just went to their website to paste the description of their non-aromatics which until very recently stated that they are NET based but may have synthetic tobacco flavoring as well, but i just saw this which really surprised me :

Tobacco Blends

Aromatic Tobacco Blends (No longer produced/sold): Previously made in house, extracted through various methods from additive free natural or certified organic tobacco. The strength of the finished flavoring is slightly different for each batch, so there may be slight variations to the strength of the finished product. Every recipe is tested and adjusted for each batch to make it as close to the original control as possible. Our aromatic blends are no longer being produced or sold.

Non Aromatic Blends: As the name implies, these do not contain any tobacco extracts, just tobacco flavoring.

Not sure if they have changed the formula or the previous description was inaccurate or what !

I'm going to guess that formulas have been changed in anticipation of what the FDA will do in 2015. Again, that's a total guess.

 

[Dusty_D]

I'm going to guess that formulas have been changed in anticipation of what the FDA will do in 2015. Again, that's a total guess.

Would they do that without announcing a change as drastic as a reformulation where they've eliminated the NET component in a juice?!

Going back to the time when MOV went through the reformulation of their FVFRY4, there were a bunch of folks who did not like or care for the reformulated juice. Even from my own experience with my long ago ADV/EDV (not a NET), a single flavour component change rendered the juice completely unvapeable for me.

I'm hoping that some clarity ensues from my confused tastebuds.

 

[jefsview]

Thanks for the words, thoughts and prayers.

Yeah, it's been a bit of a rough road, and it's not over yet. I've been here and there, but it's been difficult to add much.

 

[clnire]

Jef, keeping you in my prayers and thoughts. Hang in there and you have lots of caring and support here.

 

[NotSoMini]

Wishing you better days ahead.

 

[papabogart]

Thanks for the words, thoughts and prayers.

Yeah, it's been a bit of a rough road, and it's not over yet. I've been here and there, but it's been difficult to add much.

Sorry to hear of your loss.

 

[papabogart]

Would they do that without announcing a change as drastic as a reformulation where they've eliminated the NET component in a juice?!

Going back to the time when MOV went through the reformulation of their FVFRY4, there were a bunch of folks who did not like or care for the reformulated juice. Even from my own experience with my long ago ADV/EDV (not a NET), a single flavour component change rendered the juice completely unvapeable for me.

I'm hoping that some clarity ensues from my confused tastebuds.

I've always thought that A+ site posting sounded like they have been reviewed and edited by a legal team. Always honest and truthful in what was said, but never easy to decipher what was revealed. I'm not surprised that there was no dramatic announcement. What's the point? For what purpose? Evidently Wlad has made a firm decision that this is the path he is taking, so, why would he invite grief that will not change his mind? The FAQ section of their site also implies, to me, that although he plans to develop new flavors in house, that he will no longer be a manufacturer and will/is contracting that out. It also implies that he possesses testing results for his liquids and will make them available in the near future. Take a gander of the FAQs and see if you come to the same conclusion.
I suspect there will be many others to follow.

 

[Mazinny]

So, I'm not losing my mind then?! They are not NETs. Phew! Now, I can vape them as synthetics without wondering why my tastebuds are not detecting the NET in the juices.

I'll leave it up to you guys to figure out if they should stay on the NET list or not. Perhaps have them as a honorary mention for a solid vendor that used to carry A-List NETs.

According to Ahl customer service, they were never NET's and the description caused confusion and that's why they changed it. The flavoring has not changed. He did emphasize that they don't have NET's.

Although they use the term "based on" quite a bit in their descriptions, at least in one section they had previously stated clearly, that there were tobacco extracts in them. Regardless, as I had commented on the Ahl thread before, they never came across as NET's to me, and i never judged them on that basis. I like CWW and SB for what they are, and to me at least, that was never a NET. My main interest in Ahl is their teas and coffee, anyway.

 

[Mazinny]

The Plume Veil is a decent little atty. The Magma still out performs it with a similar build, but the PV clone can hold it's own, especially if you fiddle with the various adjustments to bring out the best of a particular liquid.

I now have 2 Infinite Magma clones, both from 101vape and both with brash AFC rings. One is a 1:1 clone, while the second one ordered is logoless. The logo-less one is annoying, since the word "MAGMA" was a marker for the one airhole

Both the Magma and PV clones are a big step up from my previous Phoenix V1/V4 clones and Scar. And -- dangit if I'm not enjoying the looser airflow these days.

I had to treat myself since this past month or so has been hell. I lost my brother-in-law in a car wreak, my own car was rear-ended the day before his funeral and totaled, and my aunt is in her last days with pancreatic cancer. Family members helped buy me a new used car, and I was able to keep the money from the insurance company for my totaled one. Ironically, that was the only way I could have afforded to purchase the drippers, a mech to replace the 510-stripped k100, and re-stock on eliquid.

The pleasure and satisfaction from the Magma and Plume Veil clones certainly help lift the depression from the past month.

My condolences on your loss. I wish you better times ahead.

 

[y cherry y]

Someone who talks to Wlad like Mann or Cherry should get the straight dope from Wlad next time they see him.

You make it sound so easy!

 

[y cherry y]

According to Ahl customer service, they were never NET's and the description caused confusion and that's why they changed it. The flavoring has not changed. He did emphasize that they don't have NET's.

Although they use the term "based on" quite a bit in their descriptions, at least in one section they had previously stated clearly, that there were tobacco extracts in them. Regardless, as I had commented on the Ahl thread before, they never came across as NET's to me, and i never judged them on that basis. I like CWW and SB for what they are, and to me at least, that was never a NET. My main interest in Ahl is their teas and coffee, anyway.

Well, I guess it's all down to where you draw the line between extract and flavoring. Flavorings are made with extracts of SOMETHING. If you extract tobacco and create a concentrate you use for flavoring e-liquid, does it matter if you call the result "flavoring" or "tobacco extract"? This may all be semantics. To me, if the juice is made from a stew of chemicals only -- trying to simulate tobacco flavor artificially -- it's a synthetic. If it largely comes from flavorings directly extracted from tobacco, it's a NET. But as long as the flavor doesn't change radically (I haven't tried new versions of any of my favorites yet), as far as I'm concerned they can call it pumpkin pie if they want.