Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

[Dusty_D]

Hello friends,
I am caught in a fix. I had finally decided to order NET pipe/cigar eliquids from myvapejuice.com and net.com. But, net.com's online card payment method is not available and myvapejuice.com though says that they allow International Shipping when the order is about $100, but it is not so, I can't select any country except U.S.A. Sent them a mail but no reply as of now. These 2 vendors are the best, and it hurts I can't order my net ejuices from any one of them.
So, I wanted to know who are the other vendors who offer NET cigar/pipe tobacco's. HHV is not in my radar as they don't have a large range of cigar/pipe NETs.
Please help me in this.

Dracul, Diane from MVJ is very accommodating and will probably get back to you at some point today regarding your order. In my case when I order with her, I put my Canadian shipping address in the "Notes" section and place my order with a bogus U.S address (look up the Smithsonian or the White House or similar).

Best of luck!

 

[y cherry y]

That's not true; I'm not even sure if they really exist.

Oh, a denier!

 

[Dusty_D]

Oh, a denier!

 

[Midniteoyl]

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[Big Juicy]

NET.com's black cavendish is out standing, if you like it try FBRS Caven Fever same but different in a good way

It's abput time you tried it given your love of black cav. So where do the black cavs you have tried stack up against each other?

 

[Kataphraktos]

If vaping continues to develop new core technologies at its current rate, seeing a coil that acts as a wick isn't beyond reach, it's just going to look bizarre at first and go through several iterations before perfection (think a porous coil of some sort, don't know whether juice immersion or some kind of "net" around the outside to draw the juice in would be necessary, but along those lines).

Lordy, but did you just plant the seeds of an amazing idea in my head.

 

[AnthonyB]

The Plume Veil is a decent little atty. The Magma still out performs it with a similar build, but the PV clone can hold it's own, especially if you fiddle with the various adjustments to bring out the best of a particular liquid.

I now have 2 Infinite Magma clones, both from 101vape and both with brash AFC rings. One is a 1:1 clone, while the second one ordered is logoless. The logo-less one is annoying, since the word "MAGMA" was a marker for the one airhole

Both the Magma and PV clones are a big step up from my previous Phoenix V1/V4 clones and Scar. And -- dangit if I'm not enjoying the looser airflow these days.

I had to treat myself since this past month or so has been hell. I lost my brother-in-law in a car wreak, my own car was rear-ended the day before his funeral and totaled, and my aunt is in her last days with pancreatic cancer. Family members helped buy me a new used car, and I was able to keep the money from the insurance company for my totaled one. Ironically, that was the only way I could have afforded to purchase the drippers, a mech to replace the 510-stripped k100, and re-stock on eliquid.

The pleasure and satisfaction from the Magma and Plume Veil clones certainly help lift the depression from the past month.

My sympathies and condolences Jeff. Take care and keep vaping.


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[Kataphraktos]

I've been here on this thread reading from post #1 and I only remember one poster really getting it from everybody. The troll deserved it. Still, he/she left of their own volition when everybody stopped taking the bait. There may be an illusion of a " good ol' boy attitude " because there's a cadre of posters who contribute most of the posts that make up the two threads. Quantitatively they have years of experience with NET's and contribute all that knowledge. A newbie posting here, will be welcomed by at least one member of this thread, usually more than one. Correct me if I'm wrong but I have never seen anyone ridden out on a rail in this thread. Granted, sometimes you need a thick skin, but that comes with the territory.

Doesn't being surly kinda go with the territory? There's gobs of threads where everyone has to be super sweet and super nice or they get the hose again. Me, I kinda assume folks into NETs are gonna be a little more Samantha and a little less Charlotte. If I want imposed sugary sweetness, I'll go to the Naturally Extracted Cotton Candy thread.

 

[Kataphraktos]

Man I had no idea that "cold maceration" thread I started would ever go anywhere! I venture out into a small number of other threads but fewer as time goes by. Most of my ECF friends are on those threads and here. I'm proud to have been in this thread for as long as I have and I guess if that irritates anyone, so be it. I'm sticking around.

I have a loooooong list of things I said i would never do, and then did: bought a mech, tried a rebuildable, bought a DNA mod, bought a dripper, tried a bottom feeder, built a DNA30 bottom feeder, switched to cotton, switched to rayon, the list goes on and on. A good chunk of that list is due to this thread.

Something tells me I may be adding extraction to that list sooner or later. It looks easy and impossible all at once - an irresistible combination for me.

 

[Kataphraktos]

NET.com's black cavendish is out standing, if you like it try FBRS Caven Fever same but different in a good way

To describe the difference as I see it: NET.com Black Cav is "earthy" and "dirty", RBFS Caven Fever is "clean" and "crisp" in comparison. Caven Fever is also easier on the coil, probably because of this difference.

Both are permanent fixtures in my juice collection.

 

[Kataphraktos]

In 1920, more than 100 companies manufactured and marketed automobiles in America. By 1929, that number had fallen to 44. Now we have 3.

This is what happens in growth industries based on new technologies with potentially large markets. Initially, one or two companies kick off a new industry (infancy). After the nascent industry is "discovered" and products begin to sell in larger quantities, entrepreneurs enter the market, first gradually (childhood), then in droves (adolescence). For awhile, wild innovation and diversity reigns. Then, as standardization settles in, political and economic factors force a shake-out, with bigger fish eating littler fish (young adulthood). Eventually, the industry becomes dominated by a small number of manufacturers, wholesalers, and retailers (full maturity).

I see no reason to think that this fairly natural life-cycle, or some version of it, will not occur with the vaping industry.

While there may only be 3 big auto companies, regs still permitted plenty of small boutique shops to pop up. Many thrived for a bit and then faded away, some still chug along. The FDA regs would, in the case of cars, never have allowed for the Delorean to exist, for example.

Oh, and based on restrictions on imported tobacco products, the only cars you would only be able to purchase in the US would be from the Big 3. No Honda, no Audi, no nothing. And we'd all still be driving cars with the quality and performance equivalent of a Blu.

 

[billherbst]

Something tells me I may be adding extraction to that list sooner or later. It looks easy and impossible all at once - an irresistible combination for me.

Kat,

Home extraction of natural tobacco using simple soak macerations is 100% easy, 0% impossible. Macerations are extremely forgiving of errors or lack of savvy. Read up on the basics, acquire the few items you'll need, get some tobacco, and jump in.

 

[billherbst]

While there may only be 3 big auto companies, regs still permitted plenty of small boutique shops to pop up. Many thrived for a bit and then faded away, some still chug along. The FDA regs would, in the case of cars, never have allowed for the Delorean to exist, for example.

Oh, and based on restrictions on imported tobacco products, the only cars you would only be able to purchase in the US would be from the Big 3. No Honda, no Audi, no nothing. And we'd all still be driving cars with the quality and performance equivalent of a Blu.

Kat,

I think you mis-read my post. I didn't even mention regulation, so please don't read it in. I wrote "politics and economics" as primary factors moving industries toward consolidation, with standardization as a contributing factor. You might interpret that as government regulation, but I don't. Politics includes all sorts of social strategies for one company achieving power over others---tax breaks, personal favors, back-room and insider sweetheart deals, yadayada. It's the art of gaining an advantage. Competition may benefit consumers, but large-scale businesses hate competition and do everything they can to eliminate it. That's an age-old story in human affairs: carve out a niche, succeed enough to gain some clout, then throttle the competition. Standardization occurs along the way as much because of market expectations and copy-catting successful products as it does due to regulation.

 

[MikeNice81]

MVJ'S Drew Estate Central Park Stroll is a chocolate, caramel, vanilla cased blend. It plays as a "custom" RY4, choco-tobacco, and chocolate cookie at different times. I got the best taste when vaping right after drinking water. It had a thick chocolate sauce style of flavor. A good change of pace when you just need something to shake up your ADV rotation. Plus I got over 4.5ml with minimal coil or wick gunking.

 

[Kataphraktos]

Kat,

I think you mis-read my post. I didn't even mention regulation, so please don't read it in. I wrote "politics and economics" as primary factors moving industries toward consolidation, with standardization as a contributing factor. You might interpret that as government regulation, but I don't. Politics includes all sorts of social strategies for one company achieving power over others---tax breaks, personal favors, back-room and insider sweetheart deals, yadayada. It's the art of gaining an advantage. Competition may benefit consumers, but large-scale businesses hate competition and do everything they can to eliminate it. That's an age-old story in human affairs: carve out a niche, succeed enough to gain some clout, then throttle the competition. Standardization occurs along the way as much because of market expectations and copy-catting successful products as it does due to regulation.

My bad, I was catching up on a lot of pages. But I wasn't reading any meaning into your post, merely extrapolating from it.

Look at the modder pdib. He makes hand-crafted wooden BF mods in small batches. He has no interest in mass production or creating a vaping empire. Even after this market consolidates into a few large companies, even after the shenanigans kill off all the potential rivals of the large producers, pdib would still be there, making his 10 or so mods per month.

But here, we have the large companies using standardization, not only to reduce cost, increase efficiency and promote effective distribution and product adoption, but wielding it as a WMD, looking to wipe out guys like pdib, who will never produce a product that would compete against them, or threaten them.

I almost prefer the straight criminality of stealing the superior design of a competitor. The consumer still gets the improved product, and the victim can try to seek redress in court. Here, consumers will end up for the most part going back to analogs (or never leaving them) - the real agenda of Big Tobacco - and good luck trying to sue the FDA for shutting down your business.

 

[billherbst]

I wasn't reading any meaning into your post, merely extrapolating from it.

Cool. Extrapolate away. We're all here to stimulate each other.

 

[Mazinny]

MVJ'S Drew Estate Central Park Stroll is a chocolate, caramel, vanilla cased blend. It plays as a "custom" RY4, choco-tobacco, and chocolate cookie at different times. I got the best taste when vaping right after drinking water. It had a thick chocolate sauce style of flavor. A good change of pace when you just need something to shake up your ADV rotation. Plus I got over 4.5ml with minimal coil or wick gunking.

I am filling a tank right now !

 

[Kataphraktos]

I'll second Dusty on that 3 month steep for RBFS. I just tried St. James Parish which was purchased about 4 or so months ago. When I had tried it after 1 month, it was on my "finish the bottle, but not re-order" list. But it has mellowed out some since then, and the flavors have now emerged. I have found all the RBFS juices I have tried needed similar steep times - with the possible exception of KillrY4. Dagwood was most notable in this - the bottles had virtually no flavor when they first arrived, but after a month or two, it became rocket fuel. Very strong stuff.

 

[Frankenmizer]

In 1920, more than 100 companies manufactured and marketed automobiles in America. By 1929, that number had fallen to 44. Now we have 3.

This is what happens in growth industries based on new technologies with potentially large markets. Initially, one or two companies kick off a new industry (infancy). After the nascent industry is "discovered" and products begin to sell in larger quantities, entrepreneurs enter the market, first gradually (childhood), then in droves (adolescence). For awhile, wild innovation and diversity reigns. Then, as standardization settles in, political and economic factors force a shake-out, with bigger fish eating littler fish (young adulthood). Eventually, the industry becomes dominated by a small number of manufacturers, wholesalers, and retailers (full maturity).

I see no reason to think that this fairly natural life-cycle, or some version of it, will not occur with the vaping industry.

4. Tesla
5. Toyota (in my old hometown in Indiana, in fact)
6. BMW (in South Carolina iirc)
7. Volkswagen (Tennessee)
8. Mercedes Benz (Alabama)


Market saturation events occur, can be followed by contraction (but not necessarily: software for example).

That being counterposed, I do tend to agree the vaping market is saturated by both devices and juices and will contract. The recent diacetyl and acetyl propionyl controversy, thrown into high relief by the BBC, adequately demonstrates too much attention is being paid to profit; too little to the safety of the consumer.

And don't even get me started with the ever-increasing-device-wattage trend - I swear it'll only stop when a nuclear power plant is used as the power supply with its cooling towers playing the role of drip tip. Penultimate cloud chasing..

 

[Jerms]

I've had a few sessions with ouR whY qu4tro from QNJ, their NET RY4 that's been around for some time. It's unique as it's the only RY4 that I'm aware of that uses extracted fire cured tobaccos for the bacco part of the trinity. It's not a big smack of tobacco for a NET, but certainly is in the land of RY4. It also has a strong caramel presence and a less potent, but still easy to pick out, vanilla.

Overall it's solid, well-executed, and easy to vape with no off notes. So far, it's not a reorder for me though. I can't really say it's lacking anything, just not really grabbing me in any significant way. For my preferences, I much prefer GJ4 from GeJ, which gives me the 'I'm really enjoying vaping this' feel. OuR whY qu4tro is easily recommendable, just not a personal home run, and a pain to type out on a smart phone lol.