Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

[regal55]

On another note. I know most of y'all use kayfun's and tanks like that. I tried but my fat fingers and bad eyesight makes wrapping around that ridiculously small screw almost impossible. That's why I have been searching for something that has great flavor and not to bad on the expenses. I started using nautilus tanks with the bvc coils. These produce great flavor but the coils are costly. However, I seen a thread the other day which talked about dry-burning the coils. Tried it and have been doing that for a few days and seems to work great with no flavor loss or burnt taste (which makes sense as it is some type of ceramic filler material). On the third dry-burn on this coil and tested it against a new one; no noticeable difference in flavor or vapor. Now I got around 30 coils to use. Just throwing it out there in case there are others like me that struggle with coils and such.

If I can manage a RBA you can, you just have to cheat a little. First get a magma drippper. Then order your coils off ebay (you want 1.5 ohm 5/64.) It is easy to install coils in a magma. The buy some cotton pads(KDG) and cut them then. Moistion the end and roll as tight as you can. Push Pull the wicks thru the coils. Trim and stuff in the wells. Fill with your juice. Thats all there is to it.

I know I never buy coils again thats where people get fustrated.

 

[Mazinny]

The French-cig style blends are amazing fresh OOB. I've found that they don't even need a steep and that the flavor has been relatively consistent since I received them (wow, been over 30 days.8/19 mix date) up to now, however, the receipt of the magma recently has really brought out the enjoyment factor and crispness of the juice (I did drill double-twisted 32awg; wrapped around a bigger bit whose dimensions I cannot recall at the moment). Using a contact coil, working really great through and resisting gunk admirably (all twisted wire seems to resist gunk better. I wonder if it has to do with the slow heating and cooling process that twisting creates? I tried triple but it was 'meh' as far as the heating times, so I just pulled it) so I'm going with a ....am I on my 6th refill or 7th with this wick? I forget.

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It's resisting gunk better, because it's not a true contact coil i believe. Take a picture and magnify to verify, but i had the same observation with twisted "contact " coils, until i just went with non contact with Goodejuice and MOV. etc...

 

[Jerms]

Warning.. hardware and technical post, feel free to skip:

My battery is at 3.75 volts and my Magma is hitting as hard as other drippers on a fresh batt. Tested my voltage drop on the copper Knight mech and at 3.67 under load, so about 13 watts on my 1 ohm Magma. Holy moly, people aren't kidding about the conductivity of copper mechs.

Switched to my Nemesis and getting 3.4 volts for 11.5 watts and.. still hitting hard. Actually, the vape is about right for me.

So all this means; I'm getting as good a vape on my Magma at 11.5 watts as other drippers at near 17 watts. That's crazy! I can rebuild this at 1.4 ohms instead of 1 ohm for a hard hit.

People talk about lowering their nic with the Magma and I see why. I'm not doing that, so will be lowering the applied power instead. I wonder, is this hitting like such a monster purely because of bottom airflow?

 

[Dusty_D]

Warning.. hardware and technical post, feel free to skip:

My battery is at 3.75 volts and my Magma is hitting as hard as other drippers on a fresh batt. Tested my voltage drop on the copper Knight mech and at 3.67 under load, so about 13 watts on my 1 ohm Magma. Holy moly, people aren't kidding about the conductivity of copper mechs.

Switched to my Nemesis and getting 3.4 volts for 11.5 watts and.. still hitting hard. Actually, the vape is about right for me.

So all this means; I'm getting as good a vape on my Magma at 11.5 watts as other drippers at near 17 watts. That's crazy! I can rebuild this at 1.4 ohms instead of 1 ohm for a hard hit.

People talk about lowering their nic with the Magma and I see why. I'm not doing that, so will be lowering the applied power instead. I wonder, is this hitting like such a monster purely because of bottom airflow?

It could be the bottom air-flow combined with the domed top-cap that delivers that exceptional vape. I did not delve into the technicalities of WHY it was hitting so well. I just accepted the fact that I had not tested any other RDA that matched it's quality and ordered another two to join the first one.

 

[AnthonyB]

I'll make you an offer you can't refuse.

Ok boomer. I will sing at your daughters wedding.


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[AnthonyB]

In the good ol' days of 2010, we didn't have these fancy devices. We bought 510 atomizers, removed the bridges, and dripped. Wasn't until the drip shield that I no longer required the use of "dripping shirts." Yep, those days are gone. Gone is wasted money we spend on atomizers that would die from those filthy NETs and have to wait a week for replacements. Now I simply replace the cotton and dry burn my coils. Yep, you newbies have it easy.

Yep, you noobs have it way too easy. At my ripe age of 26 I remember those times we struggled. This itself, we can never forget.

-Murica

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PS: I was given an extremely late birthday check which allowed me to buy Want2Vape Managua and Coffee Infused Cigar (Tabak Especial). Dripping those on my .8ohm TOBH with my new sleek Fortune Mod (both of which are clones) makes the flavor and vapor much closer to an actual cigar.

In 2010 and 2014, coffee infused cigar and Managua are still two of the best NETs, especially in the cigar category.


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[regal55]

It could be the bottom air-flow combined with the domed top-cap that delivers that exceptional vape. I did not delve into the technicalities of WHY it was hitting so well. I just accepted the fact that I had not tested any other RDA that matched it's quality and ordered another two to join the first one.

I agree the quality even of the paradigm clone is outstanding. I speculate that paradigm makes the OE version too. So that means buy clones now before el cheapos show up anddd cheapos show up made by a 3rd party without the quality. Those threads on the top cap are amazing, a 3rd party wouldn't pull that off. As much as I like the magma's deep wells and warm vape it is misssing a tad bit of flavor compared to the brasss monkey. But it isn't much and changing a wick is so easy that I'm not complaining.

 

[AnthonyB]

I agree Brob, the Poilu is good to go fresh. I am tasting it for the first time right now and its perfect as it is.

Man, this is a FINE juice. The latakia is a crisp, smooth flavour without the camp fired funk taste that accompanies some latakias. The camp fire effect of some latakias is not in itself a positive or a negative, just a feature of one variable that distinguishes one latakia from another (if I am not wrong Cyprian latakias have a stronger flavour profile consisting of the 'camp fire' smokey taste but please correct me if I am wrong) . In this case, the lack of the camp fired in this latakia suits this juice's role as an analog cigarette vape, modeled after the Parisian cigarettes earlier in the last century.

The fact that Clay is trying to emulate an old classic French cigarette is not really important because most of us if not all of us have never experienced the analog equivalent. What is important is that this is a mighty fine vape and likely to be satisfying for Balkan or English pipe lovers and for those who are not fond of a strong bold Apache-MOV like grassy tasting vape but like a shade of grassiness in their experience.

This juice's profile does resemble Want2Vape's Paris but is crisper, cleaner and conveys the flavour profile with greater clarity.

The French-cig style blends are amazing fresh OOB. I've found that they don't even need a steep and that the flavor has been relatively consistent since I received them (wow, been over 30 days.8/19 mix date) up to now, however, the receipt of the magma recently has really brought out the enjoyment factor and crispness of the juice (I did drill double-twisted 32awg; wrapped around a bigger bit whose dimensions I cannot recall at the moment). Using a contact coil, working really great through and resisting gunk admirably (all twisted wire seems to resist gunk better. I wonder if it has to do with the slow heating and cooling process that twisting creates? I tried triple but it was 'meh' as far as the heating times, so I just pulled it) so I'm going with a ....am I on my 6th refill or 7th with this wick? I forget.

Anyhow, it has FC Blackberry Burley in it and the next fill will have something to do with Smoked Latakia. I find that it has a bit more "smokey" presence over the "Latakia 'bite'" most are experienced with, in its single varietal form. If you like FCB, the single-varietal Smoked Latakia is right up your alley: especially if you enjoy Latakia.

I don't find fire-cured to make a flavor too intense, in fact, I find the Blackberry Burley to be relatively mild in comparison to Balkan, or even Poilu.

Seems to "smooth out" the flavor by imparting a more smokey smoothness right off the bat.

NETCom makes what I would consider to be the best fire-cured / smoked tobacco offerings around.

NET tRY4.1 has some fierce competition when it comes to GJ4, though. I've had both and I'm teetering towards throwing some other extracts in there, just to see what happens. GJ4 is a bit of a gunker compared to tRY4.1, and if my memory of appearances is correct, looks to use some kind of fire-cured tobacco in its base. It's awful dark stuff, but vapes well.

tRY4.1 from NETCom is a light juice, in comparison. It's also a lot easier on the coils; I'm going to do some tinkering around with the flavor and see what happens.

But yeah, honestly, I can't really tell a difference between steeping and not, except with synthetic tobaccos and flavoring.

Once in a while, I get a juice that has some change while steeping, but I vape them as I go, so it's harder for me to tell. A drastic change is obviously more of a green leaf in a white forest; it's a telltale sign that that juice needs to be given some time in the "tobacco tea timeout" bin.

 

[AnthonyB]

4 litres? In the bottom drawer. I won't mentioned what's hiding in my closet.

Thanks for that.

From my last batch, Drew Estate Heirloom Cherry, Sutliff Private Stock Charlemagne and Hearth & Home Louisiana Red. You must try these.. I ordered with extra extract.

The Davidoff samplers that Diane included, were ai'ight but not quite up my alley.



Edit: Hold on a second Mister! Are you done with that 5 Litres of juice that you have stashed away for the last 4 years?!

 

[AnthonyB]

I have to say, my Magma is kicking my ..... I don't know what it is, but it is giving me much more nicotine than I wish for and the lung hit is reckless and potent. The deceptive thing about it is that this extra nicotine I am vaping isn't commensurate with the amount of vapor it is producing. I am using a gooseneck atomizer on it to try and somehow smooth out the hit by cooling the vapor over the longer diameter from coil to mouth.

I kid you not, I made an aboslute mess of my first build with it coming in at 3 ohms and I vaped it at 3.3 volts and it was still kicking my ..... Not much vapor but it is still powerful. I don't have liquids which are light enough on the nicotine to allow me to vape full inhales the way I would with an Evod 2 or another RDA.

I think I better rebuild it. Maybe there is a hot leg somewhere I am not seeing when the chimney is screwed on. I am getting a strong metallic taste as well which I can't account for.

I've given spaced wraps micro coil a try again, and finally noticed the slower gunking others have reported. The spaces are small, but still enough for the coil to heat evenly instead of center out like compact coils. I've vaped a several Magma bowlfuls of RBFS and a few of John's Centenary with little gunking so far. The vape seems different, though I can't pinpoint exactly how, but I'll stick with it for a bit to give it an honest try.

Speaking of the Magma, I'm going to rebuild it with higher resistance. At 1.06 ohms, it's kicking hotter and harder than other drippers at lower resistance. A good thing, higher resistance equals better battery life on a mech.

 

[AnthonyB]

You're welcome.

I just hope my taste buds have not betrayed me, but more importantly, not betrayed anyone here. Let me know what you think NotSoMini.

Regards

As long as we are on the topic of NETcom, I have the three liquids that AnthonyB talked about. I have already polished off my 30 mls of Air Cured Blackberry Burley and have yet to try the ‘Dat Caramel Brownie in’da Pipe’ and Framboises et Vanilla plus a few other new ones (Deep Caramel Pipe, Fresh Ground Mocha Café, Orange Blossom Honey and N-E-T Custom Va/Per Blend). I was glad to read that he found the chocolate and caramel in ‘Dat Caramel Brownie in’da Pipe’ not overpowering and sweet as this was somewhat of a concern for me. Based on his reviews I look forward to trying these after they have had a chance to age. Thanks AnthonyB for your reviews.

 

[Dusty_D]

I have to say, my Magma is kicking my ..... I don't know what it is, but it is giving me much more nicotine than I wish for and the lung hit is reckless and potent. The deceptive thing about it is that this extra nicotine I am vaping isn't commensurate with the amount of vapor it is producing. I am using a gooseneck atomizer on it to try and somehow smooth out the hit by cooling the vapor over the longer diameter from coil to mouth.

I kid you not, I made an aboslute mess of my first build with it coming in at 3 ohms and I vaped it at 3.3 volts and it was still kicking my ..... Not much vapor but it is still powerful. I don't have liquids which are light enough on the nicotine to allow me to vape full inhales the way I would with an Evod 2 or another RDA.

I think I better rebuild it. Maybe there is a hot leg somewhere I am not seeing when the chimney is screwed on. I am getting a strong metallic taste as well which I can't account for.

Would you mind explaining the term "full inhales", please? Also, what nic level are you using?

 

[regal55]

Anthony, even I a 24mger since day 2 had to cut back to 18 mg and I think I'm going to cut back more

 

[Dusty_D]

Not sure if I've mentioned this in here, but I started and am still at 12mg with my KFL's. I had to drop down to 3mg to be able to lung hit the Magma. Anything higher makes me cough.

I can do mouth-to-lung hits at 12mg on it by closing down the air-holes, but then it's not taking advantage of what it can do.

 

[Jerms]

I have to say, my Magma is kicking my ..... I don't know what it is, but it is giving me much more nicotine than I wish for and the lung hit is reckless and potent. The deceptive thing about it is that this extra nicotine I am vaping isn't commensurate with the amount of vapor it is producing. I am using a gooseneck atomizer on it to try and somehow smooth out the hit by cooling the vapor over the longer diameter from coil to mouth.

I kid you not, I made an aboslute mess of my first build with it coming in at 3 ohms and I vaped it at 3.3 volts and it was still kicking my ..... Not much vapor but it is still powerful. I don't have liquids which are light enough on the nicotine to allow me to vape full inhales the way I would with an Evod 2 or another RDA.

I think I better rebuild it. Maybe there is a hot leg somewhere I am not seeing when the chimney is screwed on. I am getting a strong metallic taste as well which I can't account for.

Sounds like something is going on with the build if you getting such a harsh hit and metallic taste. Hot leads or the coil getting shorted somewhere, or something may be wrong with the the attie or it's connection to the PV causing a short.

I played with it a little trying to soften the TH, and found that offsetting the coil from the airhole helped a little. I brought the coil in closer to the center of the attie so the air flows over the face of the coil instead of directly under it. Also play with the vertical height for different results.

 

[Jerms]

but then it's not taking advantage of what it can do.

Pffffffffff. Insinuating that unless you lung hit you're getting a lesser vape. I thwok you on the head for that.

Mouth-to-lung vaper 4 life!

 

[Dusty_D]

Pffffffffff. Insinuating that unless you lung hit you're getting a lesser vape. I thwok you on the head for that.

Mouth-to-lung vaper 4 life!

I didn't insinuate anything Mr. Imovedthecoilawayfromtheairhole. You are reducing your "flavour" component by not letting the air waft around the coil and pick up all the flavour molecules lurking there. Now, you're only getting flavour at coil-face value.

I'm a mouth to lung hitter as well but, those thick moist 100%VG clouds with a dual coil wide open setup.. MAN!!

I still don't grab the mech more than once or twice a week.

 

[boomerdude]

Yep. I made the mistake of loading up some Backwoods Brew Maple I got from Juicy in the Magma. I forgot it was 18 mg. and I'm at 6 mg. trying to go to 3 mg. Man, talk about heart palpitations and the sweats. I diluted the stuff down to 3 mg; much better.

 

[Brobdingnagian]

Sounds like something is going on with the build if you getting such a harsh hit and metallic taste. Hot leads or the coil getting shorted somewhere, or something may be wrong with the the attie or it's connection to the PV causing a short.

I played with it a little trying to soften the TH, and found that offsetting the coil from the airhole helped a little. I brought the coil in closer to the center of the attie so the air flows over the face of the coil instead of directly under it. Also play with the vertical height for different results.

Hadn't tried raising up the coil from right up next to the deck, but will give that a go once I refill.

You guys saying this thing is harsh, pfft.

Mouth to lung, Lung to nose, they both hit equally well considering my resistance to nicotine. I can notice when I go from 15-20mg, though. 12 is plenty for this thing, but doesn't seem too much different from 15, at all. No way am I testing 36mg in the Magma, or in anything else remotely soon (I own zero bottles of 36mg juice).

It makes me concerned that there might be people actually vaping 36mg nic in this thing. I mean......how?

 

[boomerdude]

There are folks out there doing 48 mg.and higher. I fear for them if they do a Magma double-coil at that high a nic level. A nicotine reaction comes on fast and it should be a big red light telling you to stop right now or suffer the consequences.

Hadn't tried raising up the coil from right up next to the deck, but will give that a go once I refill.

You guys saying this thing is harsh, pfft.

Mouth to lung, Lung to nose, they both hit equally well considering my resistance to nicotine. I can notice when I go from 15-20mg, though. 12 is plenty for this thing, but doesn't seem too much different from 15, at all. No way am I testing 36mg in the Magma, or in anything else remotely soon (I own zero bottles of 36mg juice).

It makes me concerned that there might be people actually vaping 36mg nic in this thing. I mean......how?