Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

[regal55]

Nomad from www.ethervapes.com

The juice: Site description- "Nomad is a sweet but very rich and slightly nutty blend of Turkish tobaccos with some Virginias added to sweeten it up. While not a straight Turkish blend due to the Virginias added in the blend it still has a wonderful toasted flavor from the Oriental tobaccos that make for a wonderful Non-Aromatic blend and one of my personal favorites from our collection."

The Hardware: Mechanical mod topped by an IGO-S with 1ohm micro coil of 28ga Kanthal, wicked with CelluCotton rayon..

Ratings are from 1-5 depending on where a juice falls in an attributes spectrum. Only the last rating, "overall", is based on 5 being the best. (For sweetness 1 equals very dry and 5 equals very sweet. For tobacco impact 1 equals very mild tobacco and 5 equals very aggressive and/or complex.)

Sweetness: 2.5. With no added flavors, Nomad has the level of sweetness expected from a non-aromatic Turkish and Virginia blend. While Turkish tobaccos are fairly dry, Virginia tobacco contains more sugars giving a nice balance. Sometimes I get a dry blast when vaping this, but more often the nice, natural sweetness is present.

Tobacco Impact: 3. Pure tobacco flavor, just a touch on the mild side. A little grassy with a slight leafy bite on a slow exhale. Turkish adds a note I don't know how to describe, but it's a little heady. I don't get a nutty flavor note that's in the description, but toasty is noticed.

Vapability: 4. Easy to grab for, and flavor holds up well during long vaping sessions. No odd or off notes present. Excellent for a background vape when wanting tobacco that isn't demanding. Being filtered down to a 2.5 micron level with vacuum filtration allows long sessions before gunk starts to hinder the flavor.

Flavor Accuracy: 4.5. Easily recognized as a Turkish blend. Can be enjoyed as a mild, non-aromatic pipe, or even better as a quality cig vape. The camel in the picture on the site says it all.

Overall: 3.5. Ethervapes has a quality NET with Nomad. It's a great option for those new to NETs and worth checking out for fans of cig-style vapes or Turkish blends. It can be faulted for lacking the complexity or uniqueness required for seasoned NET vapers. Pleasant, well made, and enjoyable, but not a personal reorder.

Nomad is one of my favorites, it pulls off the Turkish blend without being to dry. Its commercial nets like this one that piss me off because I know I could never match it on a DIY level. Thats how I rate a commercial net, could I make this (and of course does it taste/vape good) and I would give this at least a 3.5.

Speaking of threads, I was into high powered LED flashlights a few years ago and the threading in general with e-cig mods is much much better. I mean the threads at the top of a magma are amazing. I've had some budget KLF's with crappy threads but in general the threads on mod clones are pretty amazing, it will be interesting to see if they keep up the tooling and this time next year threads start getting crappy.

 

[Brobdingnagian]

I got mine here: Magma RDA Clone $29.99 - VividSmoke.com

Any idea whether Vapor King is legit?

I'm hesitant to place an order because there are no reviews?

I mean, I didn't check the rest of the site, but.... I'm pretty sure that's the same Magma FT sold me (went with epacket through HK post; took about 8 days) for a few dollars less.If the screw threads are flat-head and have no edges to them, them it's pretty much the exact same one.

Yeah, the VividSmoke pictures are a lot better.

It looks pretty much exactly like mine does. I remember watching a video review of the Magma where the guy had to keep the clone and original separate because they were so identical, he kept almost mixing them up. I'm beginning to think that the only difference between the original and these clones must be the price point.


Either way you shake it, you got a much better deal than paying a ....-ton of money for an RBA.

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In regards to the Sony VTC5 being discontinued....and the imitators being produced...

The VTC5's may not (can't confirm either way, yet) be eliminated from production, but there are a lot of fakes going around.

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EDIT: This is important, but I forgot to mention it (just in case, right?);

For those of you buying this as your first RBA:

The Magma does not come with a drip-tip. It needs one to work properly (I realize most of us may know this, but you never know what isn't/is in the box when you're waiting for something to arrive)...

If you do not have a drip tip, please make sure you get one (or you will look very strange/awkward trying to inhale from this thing). I know a lot of us have drip tips sitting around from the days of 510 attys and drip-shields, but they've been given a new purpose now.

Not all of you will have them, but if you do, break them back out: their day has returned.

EDIT: (again, yeah, I know...) seems to taste pretty good with glass. I have a clear pyrex drip-tip that I used to use with my cartomizers lol that seems to produce some good flavor from the Magma. I had been using the Plume Veil's "cannon" style drip tip (it was just sitting there and I thought, "hey, this'll work." instead of actually looking around for a drip-tip.) until I found this thing hiding in a dark corner.

I didn't think there were this many layers to flavor.

 

[Jerms]

I had tried RBFS's Dark Honey Berry about a week and a half ago when I first cracked the seal on the glass bottle and transfered some to PET for dripping. It was good, but didn't grab me much. Trying it again now after a little proper steeping, and the flavor is slammin'! The tart berry has opened up playing a bigger part, and it's very tasty.

I don't know if it's because of the steep or using a different atty, but I can tell I'm really going to get into this NET.

 

[AnthonyB]

Your review on the site was the deciding factor of why I went with 3-Crown over the others. Figured if a cigar aficionado like you thought it was top notch, it is something I wanted to try. I say that as I come to trust the opinions of the people here cause y'all know more about this stuff than I do. Sure glad I thought that way cause it is that good. Will probably try the Bourbon Seasoned on my next order along with many of the other new custom blends; tried four of them and not disappointed with any.

I am vaping the Boss right now; received it as a sample on my first order from them and have not touched it till now. It has a room note of a cigar (a little ruberish) but does not seem to have the cigar punch of 3-Crown. That said, I'm almost done with the entire sample so it was not bad.

I wrote a fairly lengthy review about 3 Crowns a few months back. It is one of my all time favorite cigar Vapes. I believe it is the Ecuadorian wrapper that lifts it to a new level of complexity. It is that exquisite leathery cigar taste that comes from the Ecuadorian wrapper that makes it so good.

I also finding The Boss a bit underwhelming and I believe it to be due to be an inherent result of the cigar it was extracted from. The cigar itself is a fairly medium bodied flat profile cigar with a cedar flavour. Good as a cigar but does not translate well in vape form.



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[MikeNice81]

I wrote a fairly lengthy review about 3 Crowns a few months back. It is one of my all time favorite cigar Vapes. I believe it is the Ecuadorian wrapper that lifts it to a new level of complexity. It is that exquisite leathery cigar taste that comes from the Ecuadorian wrapper that makes it so good.

I also finding The Boss a bit underwhelming and I believe it to be due to be an inherent result of the cigar it was extracted from. The cigar itself is a fairly medium bodied flat profile cigar with a cedar flavour. Good as a cigar but does not translate well in vape form.



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Full flavor and body cigars tend to translate best to vape. There are exceptions out there like MTF's Nat Sherman 1930 and the Cohiba Red Dot from MVJ. However, a lot of the time a mild to medium cigar isn't going to translate the full spectrum of flavors. It is just something about cigars. They are harder to translate than pipes from the beginning. Reducing the punch by going mild makes it even more difficult. It takes a very deft hand when extracting or undamaged buds to pull off the more subtle cigars.

That is my completely unscientific opinion at this point. It is subject to change.

Of course it doesn't help that there are a lot of pedestrian and cookie cutter cigars on the market. There are some big names putting out some sticks that will never translate because they start out mediocre.

 

[regal55]

I'm not much of a reviewer but I finished a new to me net: Peter Stokkebye 45 Black Currant Cavendish. I like currants and I love cavendish so I thought this would be awesome. I did a pretty much by the book heat assisted maceration, filtered down to 2 micron with paper. Even after 5 micron this one had enough particulates left that it needed the 2 microns filtration. The flavor is dominated by the currant. If I were to do this again I would do 5% #34 +15% Capt Black, its that strong. I am hoping that after steeeping I will start to taste the tobacco. This is being vaped with a provari 4.5V (1.1 ohm) and a KayFun Light clone ($18 fastech special.).

Some blends have an artificial after taste, this one leaves a very pleasant taste in you mouth for literally a half an hour just like you got back from a walk to the black berrry bush. So I think there is potential here for a mix with another non-fruit tobacco that would probably take a while to figure out. Hopefully a steep is all it needs. Some may like it as it is , it is very authentic an pleasant I just always like tobacco to dominate my nets.

 

[farisjc]

Black Currant Cavendish is a good one. Very fruity flavor like you said. Reminds me of certain Dutch Master "blunts" from back in the day. One could also make a comparison to Ahlusion's Sahara Blend, or Desert Ship concentrate. BCC much more natural tasting though.

 

[MikeNice81]

Don't ask me why, I can't tell ya, but I counted up all of the pipe offerings at MVJ this morning. There are 48 "flavors" on tap right now. That is over 3,700ml if you buy the smallest extract bottles and mix your own at 20%. It is 816ml if you buy the smallest bottle of pre-made juice. Either way, you could spend a year or three just trying to get through the whole pipe line. Throw in the cigars and you could probably stretch out a half decade sampling all of the flavors.

 

[Brobdingnagian]

a half decade

Now that's what I call steeping!



"Ashton Artisan's Blend - Vintage '14"

 

[AnthonyB]

Anthony, you need better water.

Or a good Goan curry. I am sure the flavour of a good full bodied cigar vape would transcend usual boundaries.


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[Dusty_D]

Or a good Goan curry. I am sure the flavour of a good full bodied cigar vape would transcend usual boundaries.


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My recipes are there for the taking buddy. Have at it! They'll reset your tastebuds for sure.

 

[AnthonyB]

I never used the powered form AnthonyB. Good info, I'll have to try that.
TIP: If a person ever suffered from leg cramps/Charlie Horse, drinking an electrolyte drink during the day helps prevent that in some cases.

Checkum, the powdered form are so much more economical especially when you dilute it more than the usual pre mixed versions.

Some may say that sports drinks are bad for you but it depends on how much you drink and what ratio you mix them at.

I don't drink soft drinks (in the US you guys call it 'soda') and especially not coke. Coca cola will give you cancer faster than even cigarettes will. The documentary 'FED UP' which was released in may 2014 covers this topic well.

Generally, I find that water alone doesn't prime the palate for vaping so I alternate water with a beverage such as sports drinks, coffee or tea. Vaping is ad adverse to an empty stomach in much the same way smoking is adverse on an empty stomach.

I think taking in nicotine on an empty stomach might be as bad as taking certain medication on an empty stomach.

I find vaping much more enjoyable after food, most definitely, but also if I have a drink on hand other than water.




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[AnthonyB]

Probably machine oil.




With the Magma, I could open up and
...So this leaking I was experiencing with the MAPP KFL begins after a random fill, same process as usual, maybe a few more drops of juice (same issue I had with the KFL clone) and I crack open the Magma and the problem was, with the KGD cotton, the wicking was occurring so rapidly that it was actually wicking into the airflow hole from the gap between the coil/wick and airflow hole and leading me to become confused each time it happened.

That answered my questions pretty quickly as to why my KFL liked to leak on me, and at least with the Magma, I was able to see the problem as it occurred rather than rebuild and hope it didn't do it again. I did perform an experiment the other week where I took the Magma out with me (I am utterly burnt out on rewicking EVODs for the time being):

No problems or leaks except when I filled it up, (and I couldn't carry it in my pocket like I would normally carry a PV, wasn't about to march in the doc's office with a VAMO-510->EGO->Magma combo {taking Dusty's 'Olympic Torch' comment to the extreme!}...I guess I probably wouldn't go in the bank with it, either...maybe I could tell people it's my 'sonic screwdriver' and get away with it. ) but I need to work on my draw consistency to reduce this condensation.

I'm thinking that has something to do with why there's condensate sometimes, but other times none whatsoever.

BTW, where did you get your Magma? I got the Fasttech special. Someone else pointed out another domestic (U.S.) cheap Magma, but I think I forgot which page that was I bookmarked. I'm going to have a lot of fun looking for "Magma" on this forum (I've already tried it in the search results...my...mind).

I got it from vapekings.com.au, a most excellent online vape store in Australia.

It is the SS version. No brass or copper.

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[AnthonyB]

Full flavor and body cigars tend to translate best to vape. There are exceptions out there like MTF's Nat Sherman 1930 and the Cohiba Red Dot from MVJ. However, a lot of the time a mild to medium cigar isn't going to translate the full spectrum of flavors. It is just something about cigars. They are harder to translate than pipes from the beginning. Reducing the punch by going mild makes it even more difficult. It takes a very deft hand when extracting or undamaged buds to pull off the more subtle cigars.

That is my completely unscientific opinion at this point. It is subject to change.

Of course it doesn't help that there are a lot of pedestrian and cookie cutter cigars on the market. There are some big names putting out some sticks that will never translate because they start out mediocre.

I agree to an extent but would go further and say that with the present limitations of extraction technology the cigars which translate the best have some sort of infusion or an exotic wrapper.


Cigars are not as cased as pipes so it's more difficult to extract with success. I think with cigars it's less about the strength of flavour and more qualitative characteristics of the flavor profile that makes for a satisfying vape experience.


I am sure Bill, boomer, Johni and other home extractors might have a good perspective here to either support or counter me. I think a full bodied cigar with a flat profile don't translate well. Cohibas are smooth and buttery and have a full body but I've yet to have an enriching vape experience with a one.

Conversely, acid blondies, kuba kuba, Cameroon nubs, any cigar with a strong accent on flavour like a Cameroon nub or Ecuadorian wrapper translates really well.

With regard to Drew estates such as acid blondies and kuba, they are actually medium bodies but translate very well to vape form because the infused botanicals provide complexity.

In my personal experience, by way of example, I have extracted an expensive full bodies cigar which turned out bland and extracted a cheap medium bodied cigar with a cognac infusion that turned out flavorsome and complex.

It's a shame I only got 15 mls of the cheap cognac cigar otherwise I would have shared it with you guys. I got 100 mls of the expensive cigar and it's too bland to share.

Anyway speaking on tapa and rushing to work results in a scrambled and poorly structured post so I hope my thoughts are clear enough here.


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[Jerms]

NicoTicket has a new hybrid NET called The Switch for anyone interested. I may check it out one day, I really liked H1N1, but never tried Radioactive.

"We're pleased to have partnered with a very talented flavorist to bring you a one of a kind liquid guaranteed to turn you on.. Like The Virus that came before it, The Switch is a Naturally Extracted Tobacco (NET) that is not commercially available -. paired with both natural and artificial flavoring.. Hybrids are what we do best and this liquid is no exception.. This is an exceptionally smooooooth vape.. Earthy, "smoky" tones - exceptionally well balanced - this is as close as I have gotten to a 'real analog cigarette' without the "nasty nasty.". Despite being a NET, the triple filtered goodness is exceptionally kind to coils.. Comparatively speaking, we hesitate to call it "more or less sweet" - it's a sweet liquid, but NOT the kind of sweet our regulars have become accustomed to."

 

[MikeNice81]

I agree to an extent but would go further and say that with the present limitations of extraction technology the cigars which translate the best have some sort of infusion or an exotic wrapper.


Cigars are not as cased as pipes so it's more difficult to extract with success. I think with cigars it's less about the strength of flavour and more qualitative characteristics of the flavor profile that makes for a satisfying vape experience.


I am sure Bill, boomer, Johni and other home extractors might have a good perspective here to either support or counter me. I think a full bodied cigar with a flat profile don't translate well. Cohibas are smooth and buttery and have a full body but I've yet to have an enriching vape experience with a one.

Conversely, acid blondies, kuba kuba, Cameroon nubs, any cigar with a strong accent on flavour like a Cameroon nub or Ecuadorian wrapper translates really well.

With regard to Drew estates such as acid blondies and kuba, they are actually medium bodies but translate very well to vape form because the infused botanicals provide complexity.

In my personal experience, by way of example, I have extracted an expensive full bodies cigar which turned out bland and extracted a cheap medium bodied cigar with a cognac infusion that turned out flavorsome and complex.

It's a shame I only got 15 mls of the cheap cognac cigar otherwise I would have shared it with you guys. I got 100 mls of the expensive cigar and it's too bland to share.

Anyway speaking on tapa and rushing to work results in a scrambled and poorly structured post so I hope my thoughts are clear enough here.


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I have a different take. Drew Estate cigars tend to either fall flat fast or become all about the infusion. Eventually the actual cigar loses out. On the other hand, the Cohiba Red Dot comes through with a beautiful representation of the cigar. The Cameroon wrapper and various filters really shine through. In vape form it reminded me of all the things I loved about the Cohiba without the burning leaf taste.

I agree exotic wrappers come through really well. However, I've tasted simple Dominican natural wrappers that shine in vape form. I think there is something more to it than either of us understand. Then you also have the subjective nature of taste.

 

[MFToms59]

I agree to an extent but would go further and say that with the present limitations of extraction technology the cigars which translate the best have some sort of infusion or an exotic wrapper.


Cigars are not as cased as pipes so it's more difficult to extract with success. I think with cigars it's less about the strength of flavour and more qualitative characteristics of the flavor profile that makes for a satisfying vape experience.


I am sure Bill, boomer, Johni and other home extractors might have a good perspective here to either support or counter me. I think a full bodied cigar with a flat profile don't translate well. Cohibas are smooth and buttery and have a full body but I've yet to have an enriching vape experience with a one.

Conversely, acid blondies, kuba kuba, Cameroon nubs, any cigar with a strong accent on flavour like a Cameroon nub or Ecuadorian wrapper translates really well.

With regard to Drew estates such as acid blondies and kuba, they are actually medium bodies but translate very well to vape form because the infused botanicals provide complexity.

In my personal experience, by way of example, I have extracted an expensive full bodies cigar which turned out bland and extracted a cheap medium bodied cigar with a cognac infusion that turned out flavorsome and complex.

It's a shame I only got 15 mls of the cheap cognac cigar otherwise I would have shared it with you guys. I got 100 mls of the expensive cigar and it's too bland to share.

Anyway speaking on tapa and rushing to work results in a scrambled and poorly structured post so I hope my thoughts are clear enough here.


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Generally I agree that the Multi-flavored/ Cased/ Infused Cigars, like Tatiana, and my favorite to extract Drew Estate, when freshly mixed carry more flavor than a Full-Bodied straight Tobacco type like Nat Sherman 1930, Partagas Black Label. Since I Cold-Macerate with Distilled Water or Potato Vodka, my experience & observations are based on my extraction method and will vary from your own.

IMO the Infused Cigar flavor notes have more High & Mid Range flavors, brightening the taste of a fresh juice, I find Mid-Lower & Base-Bottom flavor notes take longer to develop. The Partagas & Nat Sherman when fresh, were vape-able but nothing to crave for when fresh, and have blossomed into comfortable & satisfying evening vape sessions.

This seems contradictory to allowing multi-flavored juices steep and allow the flavors to blend, and the straight Tobacco-type not needing much steep time. So put that 100ml bottle in a dark closet for the Summer, you've nothing to lose except the use of a juice bottle.

 

[sandman97289]

NicoTicket has a new hybrid NET called The Switch for anyone interested. I may check it out one day, I really liked H1N1, but never tried Radioactive.

"We're pleased to have partnered with a very talented flavorist to bring you a one of a kind liquid guaranteed to turn you on.. Like The Virus that came before it, The Switch is a Naturally Extracted Tobacco (NET) that is not commercially available -. paired with both natural and artificial flavoring.. Hybrids are what we do best and this liquid is no exception.. This is an exceptionally smooooooth vape.. Earthy, "smoky" tones - exceptionally well balanced - this is as close as I have gotten to a 'real analog cigarette' without the "nasty nasty.". Despite being a NET, the triple filtered goodness is exceptionally kind to coils.. Comparatively speaking, we hesitate to call it "more or less sweet" - it's a sweet liquid, but NOT the kind of sweet our regulars have become accustomed to."

Saw their ad as well. But I don't know if I can spend the money to order just 1 juice. I normally order a minimum of 3 from any vendor and I can't see myself ordering any non-NETs for a while.

That being said I do like H1N1 as well, I have it loaded in a KFL right now and it's about 4 months old. Radioactive was great before my introduction to NETs but now it's just "eh".

 

[sandman97289]

Checkum, the powdered form are so much more economical especially when you dilute it more than the usual pre mixed versions.

Some may say that sports drinks are bad for you but it depends on how much you drink and what ratio you mix them at.

I don't drink soft drinks (in the US you guys call it 'soda') and especially not coke. Coca cola will give you cancer faster than even cigarettes will. The documentary 'FED UP' which was released in may 2014 covers this topic well.

Generally, I find that water alone doesn't prime the palate for vaping so I alternate water with a beverage such as sports drinks, coffee or tea. Vaping is ad adverse to an empty stomach in much the same way smoking is adverse on an empty stomach.

I think taking in nicotine on an empty stomach might be as bad as taking certain medication on an empty stomach.

I find vaping much more enjoyable after food, most definitely, but also if I have a drink on hand other than water.




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Every culture has their way of cleaning the palate during meals. The Japanese use pickled ginger, the French sorbets and some cultures use bread and crackers. From my experience coffee tends to overpower my taste buds and the milder NETs just don't come through. What I've found works is a lightly flavored water with things like cucumber, lemon or even mint.

 

[MikeNice81]

Generally I agree that the Multi-flavored/ Cased/ Infused Cigars, like Tatiana, and my favorite to extract Drew Estate, when freshly mixed carry more flavor than a Full-Bodied straight Tobacco type like Nat Sherman 1930, Partagas Black Label. Since I Cold-Macerate with Distilled Water or Potato Vodka, my experience & observations are based on my extraction method and will vary from your own.

IMO the Infused Cigar flavor notes have more High & Mid Range flavors, brightening the taste of a fresh juice, I find Mid-Lower & Base-Bottom flavor notes take longer to develop. The Partagas & Nat Sherman when fresh, were vape-able but nothing to crave for when fresh, and have blossomed into comfortable & satisfying evening vape sessions.

This seems contradictory to allowing multi-flavored juices steep and allow the flavors to blend, and the straight Tobacco-type not needing much steep time. So put that 100ml bottle in a dark closet for the Summer, you've nothing to lose except the use of a juice bottle.

These goes back to the exchange me and Boomer had. I mentioned that a good cigar vape doesn't start to show it's true character for nearly two months. He was of the opinion that it was closer to four months. Either way, straight cigar vapes have a long steep. Pipe's are easy by comparison. A pipe is good in a couple of weeks. It will mature in about a month and hit full stride in two. Cigar vapes are for the patient.

Edit: I ran across this while reading up on analog cigars. It seems to go hand in hand with the discussion we're having.

Of course, the longer you allow them to rest, the better they will get…within reason.

Even the best cigars will taste best after 1-2 months. Letting cigars rest, unless they are old school blends, for a year will take the oomph out of the cigar and make them much milder and delete some of the goodies in the flavor profile.
http://kohnhed.com/2014/08/21/dry-boxing-your-cigars-cigar-reviews-by-the-katman/

Part of the issue may be that we aren't properly boxing our cigars or letting them rest. Then again it could be that no matter how you prep your cigar, vape or fire, it takes a long time for the "intent" to show through.

If I had the money and inclination to set up a larger scale extraction regimen I would invest in a humidor to see if boxing them for two months would accelerate things. Either way, I am taking the cellophane off of my cigars when they get here and letting them marinate together for a few days in the humidified baggie.