Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

[Mazinny]

Yes, i have read their faq section in it's entirety. I don't always find the information clear and concise tbh, but that's a different issue.

I have tried their old Aros and i still have a bit of Devil Dog left actually, which i will definitely vape side by side with the new version !

Btw i hope what i have written is not construed as a dig to Ahl. I am a fan and have ordered easily upward of 800 ml of their juice in the past year. In fact i have ordered more from them than any other vendor with the exception of Net.com possibly. We all know he is talented at what he does, so much so that the majority of users were convinced that his synthetic tobacco's were in fact naturally extracted ( at least partially anyway ). My point was that i don't think Wlad has made a revolutionary break-through here in flavor chemistry.

 

[Jerms]

My point was that i don't think Wlad has made a revolutionary break-through here in flavor chemistry.

I'm not quite clear; do you mean you don't think they will taste like the original versions or that if they do you don't think it's a break-through in tobacco flavoring?

If you mean the first, yeah who knows, won't find out until they're released. If you mean the second though I'd greatly disagree! Though I'll admit there may be authentic tasting artibaccos I haven't tried yet.

 

[Smocian257]

I think there's info in the 'about us' and the FAQ of their site about the creation of their flavorings. I don't remember the specifics of their claims.

I'm not sure if you've had their old aros, but a couple like DD and BGB were NETs with a very authentic and potent flavor. All I know is if they create the same or even similar flavor with non-tobacco ingredients it will be something I haven't experienced from artibaccos, not by a long shot.

Is it just grain alcohol extracted or this bloke is just a mad svientist with the over the counter tobacco flavorings available to anyone?

 

[RPadTV]

Curious? Much more than that my friend. It'll be fascinating to see what they're like and how close to the originals they get. It's almost unthinkable that those flavors can be made without tobacco. Wlad though.. as an experienced flavor chemist that man can pull off some truly astounding feats with flavor.

Some, like Sweet Georgia Peach (still have a few ml left in my stash), I can see making an easier transition. But Blue Grass Burley? Devil Dog!??? I'm really excited to see how he pulls off DD without tobacco.

For me to order them is a no-brainer (I'm sure the same for you). I just need to see the results of this. And since it's Ahl, I feel confident that they'll at least be highly vapable and well-made even if they aren't a match to the originals.

Just think Ray, DD and BGB being clear juices and easy on coils? If they have the same tobacco taste that they did as NET, well.. game-changer.

I'm going to order 60mls of three flavors, for sure. Like you, I find it unthinkable that those flavors can be exactly replicated without tobacco. That said, I think and hope that Wlad can come close. If it's 80 percent of what the aromatics were without coil gunking, that's just fine with me.

 

[Jerms]

Is it just grain alcohol extracted or this bloke is just a mad svientist with the over the counter tobacco flavorings available to anyone?

They were CO2 extracted.

I'm going to order 60mls of three flavors, for sure. Like you, I find it unthinkable that those flavors can be exactly replicated without tobacco. That said, I think and hope that Wlad can come close. If it's 80 percent of what the aromatics were without coil gunking, that's just fine with me.

Yeah I wouldn't think these would be re-released with the same name if they aren't at least in the ballpark! I'm not quite confident in a big initial order though, just one to test the waters. Well maybe two, I need to experience both BGB and DD without real tobacco.

 

[RPadTV]

Yeah I wouldn't think these would be re-released with the same name if they aren't at least in the ballpark! I'm not quite confident in a big initial order though, just one to test the waters. Well maybe two, I need to experience both BGB and DD without real tobacco.

I think I'm going for BGB, Vurley, and Honey Cured.

 

[Avi8tor]

NET.com takes maybe 3-4 days to get an order shipped which doesn't bother me in the least since it's gonna have to steep for a month or so anyway. I'm also glad to trade that time for being able to email Clay at NET.com and get a detailed response and advice quickly.

You'll get as many suggestion as to what to try as there are contributors here...hehe.

Mine from MVJ:
Dunhill Early Morning
Dunhill Night Cap
Suttlife Private Stock Spinnaker
Drew Estates Meat Pie
MVJ's Centurion
and more.

From NET.com
Va/Per/O/S
Big Spirit
NS Dark
and I'm starting to really like Bombay

I ordered spirit, big spirit and NS dark and 2 from Want2vape: Louisville and Paris
Will have to wait on a MJV order so I'm not beaten like a circus monkey .

The true leaf stuff is a coil killer but worth the flavor.

 

[Mazinny]

I'm not quite clear; do you mean you don't think they will taste like the original versions or that if they do you don't think it's a break-through in tobacco flavoring?

If you mean the first, yeah who knows, won't find out until they're released. If you mean the second though I'd greatly disagree! Though I'll admit there may be authentic tasting artibaccos I haven't tried yet.

Yes i didn't mean the first part because we haven't tried them yet. I didn't quite mean the second either ( tobacco flavoring ) again because we haven't tried them yet. It is definitely unique though in the sense that he is attempting to replicate the taste of ( at one point ) commercially available NETs.

What i meant is that i seriously doubt that it's a break-through in chemical manipulation and/or isolation of naturally existing flavor compounds. I don't think he has the expertise nor the lab equipment to achieve this. This type of work is done by root manufacturers. He is likely working with the same flavoring agents and molecular compounds already developed and being used by others like FA to create their artificial Latakia, Perique, Burley etc... Wlads background is stated ( on Ahlusions site ) to be in the culinary arts ( pastry and desserts ) and aromatherapy, not chemistry. To be a " flavor chemist ", you need to be a chemist first and have years of apprenticeship and work experience in flavor houses. So he is more a flavor chef than flavor chemist. I could be wrong, but i'm only going but whats written on their site.

As far as " authentic tobacco " taste, well that's clearly subjective. I never thought Smooth Criminal tasted anything like tobacco, but others clearly did and voted it as their favorite NET. Their Sahara Blend on the other hand is very reminiscent of tobacco taste ( to me ). Both artibaccos.

 

[billherbst]

To me, Ahlusion Smooth Criminal was (and is, now as Godfather) a hybrid juice, integrating tobacco flavor with other non-tobacco flavorings. Blue Grass Burley, on the other hand, always tasted to me like a straight tobacco flavor.

I'm still not certain what kind of flavorings or extracts Ahlusion used with their former Aromatic line of tobacco juices. CO2-extracted natural tobacco? I thought so, as did most of us here, but maybe not. The revelations from Wlad that rocked this thread---when was it, last year?---were never straightforward nor clear to me. Natural tobacco? Macerated NETs?? CO2 extracts??? Arti-bacco synthetic lab flavorings???? Heck, I've never been sure what to conclude.

 

[Influence]

Trabuco from about 10 days are sold now their 4 NETs hybrids in France through their own french website. As I won't vape 100%PG I won't either 100%VG, some of french "neters" tried some of the liquids. To resume their reviews : Yuck! Disgusting! The tobacco taste like a synthetical one, the honey not natural but very similar to the inawera, the smell is not encouraging (old goose cheese) and so on...

On the french website they are telling that their liquids are 100% Nets and the other ingredients are also 100% naturally extracted...

Paying more than $30/bottle this seems to be a total rip-off

 

[RPadTV]

I just got a lovely Saturday surprise -- something we've been discussing lately (without a certain DNA). The good news is that it smells just like the original version. The bad news is that I have to go to a vape event, but what I really want to do is vape this stuff and give it a TON of though.

 

[EleanorR]

I just got a lovely Saturday surprise -- something we've been discussing lately (without a certain DNA). The good news is that it smells just like the original version. The bad news is that I have to go to a vape event, but what I really want to do is vape this stuff and give it a TON of though.

Oh my!!!

 

[clnire]

I just got a lovely Saturday surprise -- something we've been discussing lately (without a certain DNA). The good news is that it smells just like the original version. The bad news is that I have to go to a vape event, but what I really want to do is vape this stuff and give it a TON of though.

Eager to hear your thoughts!

 

[Jerms]

I just got a lovely Saturday surprise -- something we've been discussing lately (without a certain DNA). The good news is that it smells just like the original version. The bad news is that I have to go to a vape event, but what I really want to do is vape this stuff and give it a TON of though.

Way cool! Can't wait to hear your impressions! Are they really clear?

 

[RPadTV]

Way cool! Can't wait to hear your impressions! Are they really clear?

Quite clear. I'll drip it first and if it doesn't beat up the coils then I'll put some in a Subtank Mini.

 

[Gerry H]

So, I may have solved my problem of going through so many coils now that I'm enjoying NETs. I was getting frustrated that my Kanger dual coils were gunking up and tasting "off" just after a couple of tanks in my PT3. I bought a Tugboat RDA clone yesterday and although that works great, I only have 12 mg juices right now and felt the nic almost right away.

So I decided to try a micro-coil/cotton build on my little Evod. After watching a few videos I went to work. I got it right on my second try. The coil ended up at 1.6 ohms and I'm really liking the taste with the organic cotton. Now I should just be able to replace the cotton and give it a quick dry burn and rewick, right? I should save some money anyway and I'll get some lower nic juice on my next order for my tugboat.

Yep, I'm proud of myself and happy that I found a solution so I can keep enjoying these NET juices.

 

[AnthonyB]

I'm in Toronto, and I've been ordering MVJ's juices for close to a year now. Diane opened up international shipping for over $100 orders.

Contact her from the site, and she'll provide information on what you need to get done.

You and Me both Dusty. I think we are her best customers, which has been an encouraging factor for her to ship internationally

In reference to something you mentioned about the MVJ juices being good for approximately 6 months - it has reinforced me to put them in the fridge.

Fridging liquids is good for their longevity but inconvenient in terms of quick access. I am considering getting a wine cooler for my liquids, which can sit near my computer desk.


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[RPadTV]

Now I should just be able to replace the cotton and give it a quick dry burn and rewick, right? I should save some money anyway and I'll get some lower nic juice on my next order for my tugboat.

You'll definitely save money. Buying your own kanthal and cotton is much cheaper than buying authentic atomizer heads. Now you can use the money saved to buy more NETs.

 

[AnthonyB]

I've heard he is a professional flavor chemist who creates flavorings at the molecular level, who used to specialize in making ice cream flavors before eliquid. I've never met him, so it's what I've heard, not what I know. I do know he manufactures most the flavors that they use, though also use some other commercial flavorings, and they also sell their manufactured flavors to other juice vendors.

As far as I know this is the first I've heard of an attempt to make a flavoring that tastes like NET, specific ones at that. The synthetic tobaccos I've tried taste like they were made to represent an idea of tobacco, but not the flavors of extracted tobacco.

I would be highly surprised if Wlad is manufacturing flavor chemicals.

My best guess is that his CO2 extraction technique is what make his juices taste unique and potent.

It's been said that Wlad has in the past claimed, either by word or information on the page, in a shrouded abstract sort of way, that some of his non aros and some aros were tobacco extractions when in fact they weren't.

If BGB and DD end up tasting the same I might be tempted to consider that misstatements are being made in the opposite direction.

But WHO's speculating, right?


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[AnthonyB]

So, I may have solved my problem of going through so many coils now that I'm enjoying NETs. I was getting frustrated that my Kanger dual coils were gunking up and tasting "off" just after a couple of tanks in my PT3. I bought a Tugboat RDA clone yesterday and although that works great, I only have 12 mg juices right now and felt the nic almost right away.

So I decided to try a micro-coil/cotton build on my little Evod. After watching a few videos I went to work. I got it right on my second try. The coil ended up at 1.6 ohms and I'm really liking the taste with the organic cotton. Now I should just be able to replace the cotton and give it a quick dry burn and rewick, right? I should save some money anyway and I'll get some lower nic juice on my next order for my tugboat.

Yep, I'm proud of myself and happy that I found a solution so I can keep enjoying these NET juices.

I've just recently gotten in sub ohming though the purchase of a kanger subtank and Istick (30 and 50 watt. Love them both!). My general foray into sub ohming has been with gourmet synthetics but I want to try with NETs.

Any opinions on this?

Most of my NETs have too much nicotine to subohm but I have a swag of Boomers NETs from last year of which I might mix some of them down to 3-6 mg Nic and send them on their way to e-juice heaven.


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