Natural Tobaccos

[MFToms59]

Ok, so I AM new here... and I extended a welcome back but with this ^^

What, EXACTLY, are we welcoming back?

Uncle BJ, Big Juicy

I can't believe he's a SC Fanboy now j/k

tortugo23, try Want2Vape Stockholm a Net with Absinthe, be warned it's hard on coils!

 

[Chinook]

Fed Ex is taking it's sweet time in delivering my SC and Sahara.....

Yours probably also shipped with FedEx "SmartPost". Looking at the tracking info, my package was about 30 miles away from me this morning. This evening it's 160 miles away -- I hope it won't be 400 miles away tomorrow morning

 

[jefsview]

Very good vapes! I've tried the Black Cavendish and Chris's Blend. These are my first NETs. I think the flavor is very subtle for someone used to non-NETs, kind of like shifting from tobacco to vaping. I'm not sure I can tell the difference between the two, but they are very good. The qualty of the vape is a lot like hitting a hooka to me, very clean. I think I will add another shot of flavor next time.

I wonder if anyone has seen an absinthe NET mix. I recently went out and had a cocktail called Sazerac. I was craving a particular drink, described it and it turned out they had this on the menu. It was pretty close to what I described. Its kind of a medicinal, herby, sweet kind of drink. I've tasted an absinthe juice and it just tasted like bubblegum. So as far as I've found I can't even just mix my own.

Thanks for this thread, I can't believe I have not been vaping NETs all along.

You might try Jiggy from Heather's Heavenly Vapes. I hear it has some anise notes, some fruity notes, like a shisha perhaps.

 

[Chinook]

Thanks

I think it would be awesome to have a job that's linked to a hobby I love.

Jerms,

I wish you best of luck with this. You have tremendous ability in tasting the juices and reviewing them. And you seem very personable and also like to help people. I think this thread alone is a great reference for you. I'm sure there are at least 10+ people who can vouch for you here.

I hope the owners of the shop are good people, understand your value and properly make use of your abilities. I think you probably can enhance their business beyond just servicing the store. Keep this in mind...Maybe you guys can start a NET line, etc... You can get commissions from the sales you bring to the store etc.. These are the things that can be discussed after working a while and getting a good feel for their personalities. Keep an open mind

First thing first though... I wish you a successful first encounter with them Good luck and hope it works out fine.

Edit: I had quite a few attempts with small start-ups. In general, I found that they'll like to get your $1M idea and then reward you with a bag of peanuts -- Watch out, no unnecessary free info, just enough

 

[jefsview]

Mountain Oak Vapors Southern Gentleman in a Phoenix V1, 1.8 ohms Xc-116 wick: The smell from the bottle is kinda of boozy, the Amaretto moreso than the tobacco. The vape is much like Apache minus the diesel, with more leather and slight Amaretto backnote. Very strong flavor, very masculine and industrial and a great palette cleanser.

For me, not ADV material, but for those times I need strong flavors to keep my mind active and awake -- just like Apache. One to keep in rotation.

 

[Jerms]

You might try Jiggy from Heather's Heavenly Vapes. I hear it has some anise notes, some fruity notes, like a shisha perhaps.

I enjoyed Jiggy. Yeah, it's a shisha extract. Didn't get anise so much, maybe a little. Had an interesting spice, and tasted of gummy worms.

Mountain Oak Vapors Southern Gentleman in a Phoenix V1, 1.8 ohms Xc-116 wick: The smell from the bottle is kinda of boozy, the Amaretto moreso than the tobacco. The vape is much like Apache minus the diesel, with more leather and slight Amaretto backnote. Very strong flavor, very masculine and industrial and a great palette cleanser.

For me, not ADV material, but for those times I need strong flavors to keep my mind active and awake -- just like Apache. One to keep in rotation.

SoGent is awesome. Nice complex tobacco presence with a milder kick than English blends, but still strong tobacco. Steeps well too.

 

[BecknCO]

I just tried my first Ahlusion juice - Vurley. Dear God this tastes like and smells like a good cigar with the same creamy vanilla that's in Vita Bella. I can also taste and smell what seems to be like a good peaty scotch undertone (this may fade, becuase I just got it today, but damn !) . I can't wait to try the BGB and the rest! This is a sensation and taste I haven't experienced since my last good cigar which was well over two years ago (minus the creamy vanilla) - damn Wlad - that boy goood! (like the old dude in Coming to America lol)

 

[jefsview]

I enjoyed Jiggy. Yeah, it's a shisha extract. Didn't get anise so much, maybe a little. Had an interesting spice, and tasted of gummy worms.



SoGent is awesome. Nice complex tobacco presence with a milder kick than English blends, but still strong tobacco. Steeps well too.

I thought the Amaretto played a larger part, especially from the aroma from the bottle. Perhaps in another dripper, change up the voltage... I now need to vape it side by side with the Apache for closer comparison.

 

[Big Juicy]

Dude, I totally forgot to add I finally cracked my VB from August. Yes, it is excellent. Similar to how the SC transformed, the VB's custards sweetness laid back a bit revealing a very nice tobacco underneath. It is one of those rare juices that is not an ADV, but then again is good at any time of day. Contrary to the GEJ claim that this is the desert island vape, it is not for me. However, it is ate say a top 10 juice for me right now

 

[BecknCO]

Dude, I totally forgot to add I finally cracked my VB from August. Yes, it is excellent. Similar to how the SC transformed, the VB's custards sweetness laid back a bit revealing a very nice tobacco underneath. It is one of those rare juices that is not an ADV, but then again is good at any time of day. Contrary to the GEJ claim that this is the desert island vape, it is not for me. However, it is ate say a top 10 juice for me right now

As most here already know I have very little experience compared to you guys & gals, but I do love me some VB. I'm saving a 30ml that is now about 3.5 weeks old. What have you found to be the best time to crack it open to get more of the tobacco goodness? I went straight through the 10ml after opening it around the 2.5 week mark, and while I loved it, I'd like more of the tobacco flavor.

 

[Big Juicy]

I was told 3 months. I didn't notice as drastic a transformation as some described. The difference was subtle. It is still VB all the way, it just seemed like the custards sweetness laid back a bit and a slight amount more tobacco came through. It was subtle to me and still doesn't read like a "tobacco" vape

 

[Mr.Mann]

I just tried my first Ahlusion juice - Vurley. Dear God this tastes like and smells like a good cigar with the same creamy vanilla that's in Vita Bella. I can also taste and smell what seems to be like a good peaty scotch undertone (this may fade, becuase I just got it today, but damn !) . I can't wait to try the BGB and the rest! This is a sensation and taste I haven't experienced since my last good cigar which was well over two years ago (minus the creamy vanilla) - damn Wlad - that boy goood! (like the old dude in Coming to America lol)

That was nice to read.

 

[GoodNews!]

Hey guys, I do some testing with NET's partially because I adore some of them and because I believe they're an excellent juice to test for a good coil - NET's are complex juices that require those flavor layers to be vaped at full complexity and full delivery.

But I'm having a lot of bad luck getting my NET's (or any juice really) to taste like anything other than a muted mesh of flavorings, like say, if you drank pure snow cone flavoring instead of putting it on ice.

I bought a 3.5ohm Cisco dripping atomizer, and with the unusually high amount of wraps it had (it looked as though it was pretty much a long microcoil), I was getting huge flavor, full complexity, and dream-like vapor. The real tobacco was there, the desert flavorings where full, and even with all my normal juices, they were soaring beyond belief. The Cisco had a unique form of NiChrome being used, and silica as a wick. It performed heavenly around 4.1V's.

But I can't even begin to replicate this flavor on virtually anything else - replaceable heads, a normal RDA coil, nothing works, wether high ohms, low ohms, nothing. I'm considering that Kanthal just doesn't deliver flavor to my particular tongue that well, but another sign of performance was that I literally got more vapor, at 3.5ohms, on the Cisco, than I pretty much have on any other device.

The only other devices that ever gave me that much vapor are the 1.8 dual coil Aspire heads, and sometimes the iClear 30, but neither of those delivered as true of flavor, at all.

Any tips on this? Could it be true that having higher ohms, but more surface area (like a microcoil) actually delivers more flavor (especially for NET's) than a low-ohm coil with few wraps? Or that Kanthal just ain't my thing?

Figure if anyone could solve this issue, it'd be the NET'ers, who expect that complexity and realism in their juices!

 

[Dusty_D]

GN, first off you were running really low wattage with the Cisco 3.5ohm atty. At 4.1v, you were running barely at 4.8watts. You're not going to get much of a "hit" at that level, but yes, you may more flavour overall.

Second, yes you will get a lot more flavour with more surface area (microcoil) compared to a regular coil with less wraps because the higher surface area would mean more juice being "cooked" by the coils thus creating more flavour/vapour.

This does not only apply to NETs.

NETs for the most part are notorious coil gunkers and we usually have to resort to cleaning/dry burning/replacing wicks every tank or two. This may or may not fit your style of vaping.

With regards to the Aspires, IClears, or whatever stock heads, I never was able to find one that worked to my liking with NETs or other juices. I always had to "adjust" them somehow to make them work, and thus I took to rebuilding my own coils. In short.. Stock coils do not work for me, period!

As for the Kanthal vs Nichrome question, you will have to try both and see what gives you your best solution. If you find you get better mileage/flavour out of Nichrome, then stick with it. Get a rebuildable dripping atty or tank system and get Nichrome wire to build your microcoils. Cotton or Silica for your wicking medium.

Life is complicated enough, and if you find something that works for you, apply the KISS methodology and use it.

For me, I have achieved my Nirvana using a Kayfun Lite with a 12 wrap of 28gauge Kanthal at 1.7ohms wrapped around a 5/64 drill bit. I use primarily NETs at 70/30 PG/VG from a couple of different vendors.

 

[GoodNews!]

That makes perfect sense about the larger heating area for a micro-coil, and why the Cisco was peforming so well at 3.5ohm - inside, it had a coil that looked like a micro-coil snake. I've never seen such oddness in my life, but there it was. The coil spanned the whole bottom chamber, it was like a ECF microcoil gone steroid mode. And at 3.5ohms, the vapor was huge, the nicotine hit was extremely soft and velvety (but surprisingly, the nicotine absorption was better than any device I've had with a throat hit), and the flavor was truly, plain truly, out of this universe.

It could be the issue all along, so thank you so much for the advice!

And yes, the NET's gunked up that high-ohm microcoil in about an hour - I was able to vape it a little past then, because the NET crud still tasted pretty natural, but finally it got to the point the atty was running pretty dry with all that gunk, and cleaning the dripping atomizer was not something I could tackle. However, if I had a good sturdy microcoil in an RDA, I wouldn't mind a bit cleaning every couple days - getting a good result out of an NET, it's like heaven. Pure and simple. I'd do whatever I'd have to do to get it, because it just lights my brain on fire. The tobacco layers of NET's are just... unreal. In a good way. It's like vaporizing every flavor you love and smell in a good pipe smoke, but soft, but clean, but pure.

My current mod, the MVP2, doesn't fire above 3.0ohms, but I'm hoping that I can build a say, 2.8ohm microcoil, which may help a bit more with gunking, but still giving the flavor and soft nicotine caress I enjoy (which, with nicotine caress is soft, I love high nic!)

For anyone who enjoys NET's, I know this isn't the place, but try Indigo's Captain Ron - it's not an NET (I don't think...) but at a higher-ohm and full flavor, it vapes just like a bag of fruity pipe tobacco smells. Exactly the same. For any NET'ers who are looking for an extraordinarily unique juice that reminds them of another factor in the pipe tobacco world, this juice is just unreal. It may actually have a little NET in it to give it that smell realism, not sure. It's a fruit juice, but it's one that would spark the memory and sensory complex of anyone who enjoys that fruity, deep smell of a bag of Cavendish or so. Such realism.

So glad for the help, and as always, any advice at all is appreciated!

 

[Dusty_D]

Depending on what gauge of wire you use, you would be hard pressed to build a 2.8ohm microcoil. It can be done, but would take a heck of a lot of wraps. I would say approximately 20 wraps of 28 gauge wire and around 15 or so wraps of 30 gauge wire around a 5/64 bit should give you that ohm.

Using a thinner wire like 32 or more would require lesser wraps, but it's very hard to build a microcoil with anything thinner than 30g.

You also have to remember that a microcoil with thicker wire also requires you to bump up your voltage/wattage level because it takes that much longer to heat up.

So, if you were using a 4/5 wrap with 32 gauge wire and fired a coil for 3 seconds at 4 volts, you would have to go to 5 volts or so and fire for around 5 seconds with a 10/12 wrap of 30 or 28 gauge wire. It's just how things work... Thicker wire, more power, longer heat up time.

Best of luck!

 

[Jerms]

I just tried my first Ahlusion juice - Vurley. Dear God this tastes like and smells like a good cigar with the same creamy vanilla that's in Vita Bella. I can also taste and smell what seems to be like a good peaty scotch undertone (this may fade, becuase I just got it today, but damn !) . I can't wait to try the BGB and the rest! This is a sensation and taste I haven't experienced since my last good cigar which was well over two years ago (minus the creamy vanilla) - damn Wlad - that boy goood! (like the old dude in Coming to America lol)

Awesome! So happy to read that Vurley clicked well with you. I think you'll find a lot to like in the aromatic line.

 

[Jerms]

I thought the Amaretto played a larger part, especially from the aroma from the bottle. Perhaps in another dripper, change up the voltage... I now need to vape it side by side with the Apache for closer comparison.

Either they changed the recipe, or more likely, you're just able to pick out the Amaretto notes better than me. I didn't notice it at all unless really trying to look for it.

 

[Vapo Marx]

Welcome back!

The pricing of these T2 heads are pretty good! Are they pretty clean? I got burned couple of times with residues on new heads so I do PGA soak / dry burn / PGA soak before using them.

They appear to be genuine Kanger heads in original packaging but of course, it's impossible to say for sure. I soak new heads in vodka for at least an hour, rinse with water and dry overnight and they work very well, at least for a day or two until they get clogged up with netgunk. As mentioned in my previous post, I can bring them back to life somewhat with cleaning/dry-burning but they're never quite as good as new.

 

[Jerms]

I was told 3 months. I didn't notice as drastic a transformation as some described. The difference was subtle. It is still VB all the way, it just seemed like the custards sweetness laid back a bit and a slight amount more tobacco came through. It was subtle to me and still doesn't read like a "tobacco" vape

I agree, doesn't change as drastic for me as it does for others. But, the change it does make, I can see how it would be an important change for those that don't like the custard aspects of it before a long steep.

My few ml that are left from my July order has lost most of the odd/custard flavor, and plays more like a straight vanilla tobacco (though still quite unique). I'm one that absolutely loves the odd/custard notes so I vape it right away. I also love it now, but luckily I don't need to wait the several months it takes to get here before enjoying it.

I also note a slight more tobacco kick like you said, but it's still more of an odd/dessert selection that a slap of tobacco. It's kind of a morpher for me when it's aged though, some pulls I notice that custard and some it seems like the tobacco has briefly took over.