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With MOV's NETs, you get the occasional review (on the website itself) with folks claiming some of them taste like an ash tray, an ashed in cup of coffee, or fish oil. I personally have let ash and cigarettes sit in cups of water for days and the smell/imagined-taste is not pretty. I certainly wouldn't want that, and that's exactly what I'd be reminded of if the taste is somewhat near that.

However, like with the Apache, others have accused it of being like a real BBQ campfire smoke. That's the type of uniqueness I would find somewhat interesting in a vape. As long as it wasn't a bad, sour, acrid, chemical, or other displeasure, I'd probably find something I like about it.

When I smoked actual cigarettes, I found Malboro Southern Cuts to be truly interesting, as they gave off flavors of recently smoked leather (real, thick saddle leather, not like a pleather couch) and fire smoke... even at times, toasted marshmellow. They were truly a taste-testers' cigarette, leagues above anything else. I don't mind earthly southern flavors one bit.

So in everyone's experience, would you say the MOV's are at least devoid of those chemical/acrid/oil/ash-water tastes? Other than that, I'm pretty open to truly rustic flavors.

(I may call MOV and see if they'd be kind enough to cut me a deal on a ton of sample bottles... I'd be willing to spend $25 on say, six 7.ml samples.)

I think you'd be happier with www.Naturally-Extracted-Tobacco.com, e-liquids for electronic cigarettes Chris' Blend and Coventry. Big Spirit is also showing promise at less than a week. Chris's blend was all but gone at 3 and Coventry is soon to follow. They're very good.

MOV is a little more hardcore in the flavor department as is Quick nic juice, imo. Still good, but stronger.
 

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You are definitely in the right place Doug. You landed plum in the right apple cart and you really hit the big time ordering Blond and London. There are so many other NET vendors out there and some really good ones but in terms of 'good' 'better' 'best' they only appear sideways next to those two juices.

There are so many others to try (and I am so far behind on this thread that I am sure others have advised you, but in case they haven't) look out for the following vendors of great NET juices:

Mountain Oak Vapors
Heathers Heavenly Vapes
Quick Nic juice
The Plume Room
My Vape Juice.

and the list goes on but I am sure that will get you started.

Seeing as you have gotten love at first vape with Want2Vape juices I also highly recommend: Lousville, Paris, Managua and Alcazar. Although I have yet to try CI Cigar and Coffee Infused Cigar others who love W2v juices swear by them.

And staying on topic... Howdy everyone! Just thought I'd introduce myself since I've been lurking this thread for a couple weeks and found this thread to be one of the most informative and intimidating sources of info to date. Name's Doug, Been vaping since February and was thinking this vaping obsession of mine had run it's course since I was getting a bit bored of the usual juices being offered. It wasn't until I happened upon W2V website and curiously ordered the London Blend and Blondie... I was blown away! I had experimented with WTA's but they too fell short after realizing they were still basically tobacco-flavored juices. NET has completely changed everything I was thinking vaping was all about. Upon reading thru this vast depository of info, I have been ordering from a few vendors mentioned here. GeJ was one I tried really early on and loved, not knowing a few of the juices I received were NET's and loved the Patriot and the Perique. Currently 2 clearos deep in the Cognac Infused from NETCOM. Loving the direction I'm on now and will be watching every recommendation that is offered here! You guys ROCK!
 

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Scarfy thanks to you I picked up my neglected Rygar Mild and threw it in an Evod. Loving in! It almost tastes like a NET and even more so for the aroma it leaves in the room. Really digging it a lot. I also like Rygar (not Mild) as a richer flavoursome version.

But alas, as much as I like/love it, Our Why Q4tro is the undisputed heavyweight champion Ry4 for me. Even Gj4 doesn't compare. Our Why Q4tro is an exquisite nectar from the gods.

RYGAR is an RY4 (caramel-vanilla tobacco) made by Want2Vape but sold exclusively on VulcanVape. It fights with QuickNic OurWhy Quattro as my favorite NET RY4.
 

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I feel this whole "ash" thing has run amok. When people used that term in reference to tobacco eliquid, it was always tobacco absolute as the culprit. Now, I feel, people are using that term when they vape/taste a natural tobacco in under-performing hardware. What happens when some NETs are not used with an adequate liquid delivery system? Quick build-up, resulting in a heating of said build-up, which produces what? Ash taste. It's, IMO, not the liquid necessarily that taste like ash, but the the vaping of its build-up. Done.


I agree with this. But I also think these just aren't the people that NETs are marketed/made for.
 

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Big Juicy, I should be getting my Big Spirit any day now. It sounds like my kind of vape and even more so reading this description you've made. I really like any liquid that represents an analog cigar or cigarette and for some reason, really revere extractions that faithfully represent the latter category. It's for this reason I love Lousville, Acid Blondie extractions and Paris. If I let go of the fact that Patriot is an extraction of 4 leafs I would think it was just a mere cigarette extraction with Stogie elements to it.

I get the feeling I am really going to like Big Spirit and judging by Clay's product to date, I have full trust that Big Spirit will live up to my expectations in the same way I got that sixth sense about The Blond. I certainly hope this one didn't get lost in the mail room somewhere in the US.

Speaking of the Blonde, I have Coffee Infused Cigar and CI Cigar on the way. Have you tried those? I reckon those two would be well up your alley and I am surprised you have not mentioned them, at least I haven't seen any thread by you on those two juices.

I know what you mean about the Patriot but it doesn't detract from the juice for me. Do you think it's the perique? Or could it be that Nick uses Ethyl Maltol in it to sweeten the juice up a bit and maybe its that sweetness that makes it seem artificial? Having vaped a lot of QNj, NET.com and W2v lately, Patriot does seem a little over sweet for what is essentially supposed to be nothing more than burley, virginia, Cavendish and Perique. Perhaps it is the Cav and Perique that, in this case, make Patriot taste sweet.

Having said that, Patriot is a great juice but I too seem to put it back in my sea of liquids fairly quickly after vaping a few mls.

I have been vaping MOV - Southern Gentlemen in my RSST today. Man that is one FINE juice. The newer batch of it has more tobacco impact and a lovely underlying whiskey tinge to it or perhaps champagne. Maybe a mild, tinge of champagne. Ripe, grassy burley. Minimal sweetness. Very much like Lousville. It's grassy but not overly bold like Apache or Devil Dog so makes for a fine all day vape.

Like QNJ, I don't see MOV any rung below the well established powerhouses of Gej or HHV. They are right up there for me.

This actually somehow came up in conversation Friday while I was at GeJ. He said they don't use any kind of added sweeteners, that they change the taste of anything into which you put them.
 

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It's been a Vita Bella kind of night...

Been savoring some 3 month old VB in a Protank on my ProVari (recently liberated from Luigi at GeJ) and it's just delectable. Gone through almost 3 ml. in the past 2 hours alone whilst sipping on some Gentleman Jack.

Life is good sometimes...

I understand completely. I just had a two-day Vita Bella binge myself. I couldn't get enough down my face. I'm giving it a rest today having felt satisfied I got enough. It's going to be a Caramel Apple Tobacco (non-NET) and Apache day for me today.
 

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Big Juicy, I should be getting my Big Spirit any day now. It sounds like my kind of vape and even more so reading this description you've made. I really like any liquid that represents an analog cigar or cigarette and for some reason, really revere extractions that faithfully represent the latter category. It's for this reason I love Lousville, Acid Blondie extractions and Paris. If I let go of the fact that Patriot is an extraction of 4 leafs I would think it was just a mere cigarette extraction with Stogie elements to it.

I get the feeling I am really going to like Big Spirit and judging by Clay's product to date, I have full trust that Big Spirit will live up to my expectations in the same way I got that sixth sense about The Blond. I certainly hope this one didn't get lost in the mail room somewhere in the US.

Speaking of the Blonde, I have Coffee Infused Cigar and CI Cigar on the way. Have you tried those? I reckon those two would be well up your alley and I am surprised you have not mentioned them, at least I haven't seen any thread by you on those two juices.

I know what you mean about the Patriot but it doesn't detract from the juice for me. Do you think it's the perique? Or could it be that Nick uses Ethyl Maltol in it to sweeten the juice up a bit and maybe its that sweetness that makes it seem artificial? Having vaped a lot of QNj, NET.com and W2v lately, Patriot does seem a little over sweet for what is essentially supposed to be nothing more than burley, virginia, Cavendish and Perique. Perhaps it is the Cav and Perique that, in this case, make Patriot taste sweet.

Having said that, Patriot is a great juice but I too seem to put it back in my sea of liquids fairly quickly after vaping a few mls.

I have been vaping MOV - Southern Gentlemen in my RSST today. Man that is one FINE juice. The newer batch of it has more tobacco impact and a lovely underlying whiskey tinge to it or perhaps champagne. Maybe a mild, tinge of champagne. Ripe, grassy burley. Minimal sweetness. Very much like Lousville. It's grassy but not overly bold like Apache or Devil Dog so makes for a fine all day vape.

Like QNJ, I don't see MOV any rung below the well established powerhouses of Gej or HHV. They are right up there for me.

Very good assessment Anthony. With Patriot, like I said, at the last minute it falls short for me. It is excellent and it performs like a super hero, but there is some element there in the mix that bothers me and by that I mean simply that to me makes it good and vape able, but not a top tier juice to me. It is this artificial finish I get and now I know what it is. Definitely the ethy matol...and possiy how on my palate it fuse with the funky side of a good Perique. Great call dude.

Big Spirit is legit. I have had a couple clay juices that I found a little weak on flavor. I am not sure if it is me or the juice, as they haven't steeped. Coventry and black cav are perfect on day 1 then get better. Part of this is because black cav was one of clay's first extractions so it comes steeped a bit more on day 1. This is evident in Coventry as over the month the dominant cav has receded a bit, the other flavors have blossomed, and the blend has really come together beautifully. The black cav has had the sweetness melow a bit and the smoky tobacco come forward to add a wondw depth. Blak cherry and mango vanilla...perfect balance, weak on flavor. They are ou a couple weeks old so not sure if it is just a steep issue. Big spirit is working but I want a tad but more flavor. Again, needs to steep or needs more extract? What do you guys think?
 

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Very good assessment Anthony. With Patriot, like I said, at the last minute it falls short for me. It is excellent and it performs like a super hero, but there is some element there in the mix that bothers me and by that I mean simply that to me makes it good and vape able, but not a top tier juice to me. It is this artificial finish I get and now I know what it is. Definitely the ethy matol...and possiy how on my palate it fuse with the funky side of a good Perique. Great call dude.

Big Spirit is legit. I have had a couple clay juices that I found a little weak on flavor. I am not sure if it is me or the juice, as they haven't steeped. Coventry and black cav are perfect on day 1 then get better. Part of this is because black cav was one of clay's first extractions so it comes steeped a bit more on day 1. This is evident in Coventry as over the month the dominant cav has receded a bit, the other flavors have blossomed, and the blend has really come together beautifully. The black cav has had the sweetness melow a bit and the smoky tobacco come forward to add a wondw depth. Blak cherry and mango vanilla...perfect balance, weak on flavor. They are ou a couple weeks old so not sure if it is just a steep issue. Big spirit is working but I want a tad but more flavor. Again, needs to steep or needs more extract? What do you guys think?

I agree with you on both Black Cherry and Mango Vanilla are weak on flavor. The only way I got any of the fruit flavor was to cut down on the wattage of the vapor. I could not taste it on my mechanical, just on the VV or VW.
 

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I agree with you on both Black Cherry and Mango Vanilla are weak on flavor. The only way I got any of the fruit flavor was to cut down on the wattage of the vapor. I could not taste it on my mechanical, just on the VV or VW.

I want to again say that the flavor and balance of those two are absolutely fantastic. I have however requested extra extract for my current supply an next order (oh yes, both are repeat orders!) I will order with extra extract...definitely heat extraction on both for a thicker, more robust hit. You can really tell the difference between the heat mango vanilla and the cold cherry. The cold maceration is really wonderful, a great option, but I am a a heat guy
 

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I re-stocked on my Gej ADV's and popped open VB that's been aging for about 14 weeks. However, after that very pleasant tank of VB I gave the House Blend sample a shot. Nope.Tasted like chicken, the one that didn't make it across the road. Could I have steeped it too long? It's been three and a half months on a cool, dark and dry closet shelf.
 

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I don't feel that Big Spirit needs any more steep ... it's a cigarette vape and comes off as strong as a cigarette to me right out of the mail. My first 15ml is gone only after a week, so it didn't have any time to steep, so I'm uncertain if it will develop one way or another. I got another 60ml on Friday... maybe it will last long enough to find out but I doubt it will last a month... lol.
 

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So what is the general recommendation for what to use with NET's? (Tanks, coils, voltage settings, ect ect) Wanting to avoid that build-up.
For me, rebuildables are the best for flavor and vapor production. Microcoils built to taste and wicked with cotton are my preferred build. YMMV. Cotton lacks durability but is easy to pull, dry burn and rewick which I do daily.
 

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Vaping N-E-T Bourbon Seasoned today. This juice continues to grow on me. I haven't gotten any of the notes I find unpleasant or overbearing in some cigar flavors. The bourbon adds to the complexity of the tobaccos without being overbearing and making for a very flavorful inhale and exhale.

I am busting mine out tomorrow!!!!
 

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So what is the general recommendation for what to use with NET's? (Tanks, coils, voltage settings, ect ect) Wanting to avoid that build-up.

Also depends on the liquid itself. Not all NETs vaporize the same.

Some NETs do benefit from RDAs/atomizers, while others perform extremely well in clearo/tanks and cartos.

If you had anything specific in mind, we can offer better advice.
 

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Well, my gut just has me going with MOV (probably Sunday Morning) as a tester, gotta start somewhere. Reviews say their NET's are clear, I figure that'll work better with the more average set-up. Kanger has a good collection of resistance heads, figure that combines with a VV/VW device will hopefully give me a spot I need.

I probably would try to find a dripping atomizer for taste testing and steeping tests though. When it comes down to finding the best taste after that, I really want to find a way to make a tank work with the NET's (if I end up liking them).
 

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Well, my gut just has me going with MOV (probably Sunday Morning) as a tester, gotta start somewhere. Reviews say their NET's are clear, I figure that'll work better with the more average set-up. Kanger has a good collection of resistance heads, figure that combines with a VV/VW device will hopefully give me a spot I need.

I probably would try to find a dripping atomizer for taste testing and steeping tests though. When it comes down to finding the best taste after that, I really want to find a way to make a tank work with the NET's (if I end up liking them).

Plenty of people use BCC tanks like the eVod and ProTank with NETs. Helps to stick with the cleaner ones, like MOV, HHV, and GeJ. No different than using other non-NETs, just may have to rinse and dry burn the coil sooner. Dripping may provide some additional flavor notes, but tanks can still provide the type of vape people are after.

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