For all the NET vendors that read this:
Add a disclaimer on your site if you do not test your liquids for TSNAs! I brought this up because of the recent question. I have been thinking about this lately and why would it not happen for some "research lab" to test NETs as their samples of tobacco eliquid to stand-in as a model. Of course there will always be some shady eliquid to test that will make all look bad, but come on, isn't it time for the best (insert your favorite vendors mentioned in this thread) to start with at least
some type of disclaimer?
Nicoticket did added this disclaimer I speak of. They were a little hesitant as it seemed that Kent was convinced he had WTA liquids, but he listened (read) to reason and changed his disclaimer. Here is the exchange:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...tatus-general-debauchary-29.html#post10355370
&
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...tatus-general-debauchary-29.html#post10356479 (there's more on the previous pages, but that's the end of it).
Nudenic has done this with a disclaimer: Some reason that thread got deleted
. It sucks because Dvap (and I) both spoke to TheJaker about changing his site. Of course Dvap's posts carry more weight than all 10,000+ of mine. LOL. TheJaker changed his site to add a new disclaimer. Man, I wish that thread hadn't been deleted. But, the site HAS changed to this:
**Our tobacco absolute extract is absent of nicotine, and can be truly formulated to 0mg/mL if required. We utilize a similar process to that of the decaffeination of coffee beans to remove trace nicotine from our product. However, please be advised, other minor tobacco minor alkaloids present in any extract will potentially result in a failed conitine test.
I told TheJaker that if he is selling tobacco liquids with trace minor alkaloids in his zero nic liquids (which he said he was) and he didn't inform his customers of this, then they could vape the zero nic liquids and still flunk a cotinine test (THAT'S A BIG DEAL as minor alkaloids can be used as a biomarker for tobacco use). He promptly addressed the issue on his site while removing misleading info (the other, ahem, misleading info part, WTA, was COMPLETELY handled by Dvap and TheJaker took that part out of his description of his tobacco extraction.
).
DarthVapers tests for TSNAs via GC/MS but they hadn't posted that info. They are now changing their site and that info will be included:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...apers-com-official-thread-8.html#post10448816
Ahlusion tests and they state it. HoL liquids are tested but it's stated by the lab that (AKAIK) makes the liquids, Conceptlabs.com, that state this. There is a link
through HoL
to Conceptlabs.com, so I guess HoL should be considered to state it on their site. Here is a link from
Conceptlabs.com for actual test results on Guevara.
Are there TSNAs leftover in
some vendor's extractions? Probably. A lot, or worth worrying about? Dunno, likely not (don't quote me on that broscience) as can be seen in the results of a soaked/macerated tobacco in Guevara. Is it more carcinogens in those extractions than in a flame-broiled piece of chicken? Again, dunno, but we're not worried about grills being banned--eliquid
is under the microscope. It's time for vendors that
don't test their liquids (we know who they are) to say it. All that needs to be said is that there MAY be TSNAs in the liquid and it wouldn't be a big surprise or worth "exposing" (hopefully) if it's already been stated as a possibility.
Of course, burning tobacco produces a host of tobacco's problems in respect to "bad stuff," not just TSNAs which comes from curing, but the burning of tobacco is one of THE biggest troublemakers, so we're always going to be far far away from that, but still, just sayin'.
Rant over.
