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Huntsman from HHV. Not certain on how complex it is, but it just always brings imagary and olfactory sensations of the autumn to me.
I have yet to try HHV or MOV. that said, I know I keep saying this, but the most authentic "smoking" experience I have had is Want2Vape Louisville and naturallyextractedtobacco.com Black Cavendish. When I I vape this out of epipes I have a legitamate smoking experience. An authentic smoke...truly a miracle!
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Got my HHV in. First impressions are Dragon's Fire is only vaguely similar to what I remember, and Huntsman is kind of like how I remember, but not too much the same by any stretch. But to be frank, if someone would've blind tested me on these, I am not sure if I would've been able to place them. Huntsman does kinda taste like Dark Horse, but that was not the case originally (and I never understood why people thought so; now I get it). Dragon's Fire is much more sparkly than it was, where before it was more rich. First, The liquids are both completely different values than they used to be:
Generally, if not always, the color of a liquid being different means the taste will be different. No exception here. Soon as I saw them, I felt like "uhh, what is that?" DF was rather deep in its color and Huntsman wasn't too dark, but more of a light caramel color (but not this damn light). Now, aside from them not tasting the same or looking the same, they are still HHV liquids and I could discern that from a blind testing. I will update my impressions as they change (I am praying for the steep to bring them to their former glory). They're not bad at all, but just something I wasn't expecting as I was expecting, well, what they were. They're both very, very light in color and taste. If this is how they are now, I will forget what I previously thought, and try to deal with them from this point on, as new liquids to me. Resetting.
Generally, if not always, the color of a liquid being different means the taste will be different. No exception here. Soon as I saw them, I felt like "uhh, what is that?" DF was rather deep in its color and Huntsman wasn't too dark, but more of a light caramel color (but not this damn light). Now, aside from them not tasting the same or looking the same, they are still HHV liquids and I could discern that from a blind testing. I will update my impressions as they change (I am praying for the steep to bring them to their former glory). They're not bad at all, but just something I wasn't expecting as I was expecting, well, what they were. They're both very, very light in color and taste. If this is how they are now, I will forget what I previously thought, and try to deal with them from this point on, as new liquids to me. Resetting.
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Watermelon salsa? Enlighten me, please.
Watermelon Salsa:
2 cups seeded and coarsely chopped watermelon
2 Tbsp. chopped onion
3 Tbsp. seeded and chopped Anaheim chiles (I don't have access to those, so I use jalapenos)
2 Tbsp. balsamic vinegar
1/4 tsp. garlic salt
Combine all together in appropriate sized container, cover and chill in fridge for about an hour (have to let it steep!) I also suggest using Scoops chips as this salsa is very juicy!
And to keep things NET-friendly - goes well with Patriot and/or VB.
hahaha! Yesterday. Didn't taste it yet, excepd for, well, the China Doll. PSYCH! hahahaha (My bad for not thanking you yesterday.)
I think many of the epipes are very cool looking... but using one doesn't make the experience any more authentic except possibly for those that actually had previously smoked a pipe. Then again, I'm not fooled by setting my clock 10 minutes earlier either and I know for some people it works.
When discussing or asking about "authentic tobacco" an aspect is often missed... what type... a cigar, pipe or cigarette... then what sub-type like an American, English, European or other...
As a cigarette smoker.... My main interest was finding an authentic American style cigarette vape... I have only found one and that is N-E-T.com's Big Spirit... To me, everything else was more of a pipe style that was pretty close to an American cig type but they were first and foremost still a pipe style tobacco.
My search was complicated by the fact that I'm also a menthol smoker... Something few vendors do right. GeJ has some of the best menthols of those that I've tried... but their tobacco flavors were as I mentioned, not the most authentic for the American tobacco cigarette... Don't get me wrong, they have great and authentic tobacco flavors available... just not the specific genre I am/was looking for.
Mr.Mann, not being a menthol smoker himself, actually came up with the closest solution that I could find until recently. He had suggested a particular GeJ tobacco ( Wrangler Lite or Patriot, I can't recall exactly ) and then suggested mixing in Aroma Ejuice's P-38 menthol into it. It actually is pretty good but like most menthols isn't quite right... they add a sweetener to it that makes it less dry. Menthol is a dry flavor, not a sweet one ( or one with a mint added like many others have done ). I've been using this solution, using the tobacco I like from a vendor and adding a few drops of P-38 to it... As long as the tobacco wasn't to dark of a flavor ( ie brown flavor ?? ) it seemed to work ok... just not perfect.
I finally started looking into some of the DIY flavorings... Picked up some TFA-Menthol and TFA-Koolada... I ended up with using about 1 drop of the Menthol and 2 drops of Koolada into 2-3ml of Big Spirit from N-E-T.com and it is about as perfect of a menthol cigarette flavor as I can find.
I've now ordered up some extra 15ml bottles of Big Spirit e-liquid for all of my friends that smoked cigarettes, each has different NIC levels they prefer so one bottle for each... one friend also smoked menthols so I made up a sample size bottles of TFA Menthol and Koolada for her to use/try. It will be interesting to see if their opinions on the juice is the same as mine... I should get the juice sometime by the end of next week or there abouts.
I've got a ton of great pipe juices from a lot of vendors and I do enjoy them a lot. As mentioned Black Cavendish from N-E-T.com is a great simple dark flavored pipe. Ahlusion's Blue Grass Burley is an excellent aromatic that will stay in my rotation as well ( and I need to get Vurley, Maple Burley and probably a few others to check out ). I like several of MOV's offerings but they don't allow any variation of PG/VG ratios yet. Want2Vape's offerings are nice but I see no reason to mess with a juice that is so prone to clogging up a coil when others equally nice are now available. For the flavored varieties... I really like several from Heather's Heavenly Vapes. MyVapeJuice.com has several nice mono-toned flavored pipe flavors for those looking for something without complexity but are a simple tobacco flavor, I'm undercertain if they will stay in my rotation but I can certainly see someone going for that style none the less.
I've carried on longer than I thought now... But to sum it up... When saying you are looking for an "authentic tobacco"... you really need to say which type and variation you are looking for. There are a lot of great authentic tobacco's available... but when looking for something to replace the type you smoke, there are more specific traits that must come into play.
When discussing or asking about "authentic tobacco" an aspect is often missed... what type... a cigar, pipe or cigarette... then what sub-type like an American, English, European or other...
As a cigarette smoker.... My main interest was finding an authentic American style cigarette vape... I have only found one and that is N-E-T.com's Big Spirit... To me, everything else was more of a pipe style that was pretty close to an American cig type but they were first and foremost still a pipe style tobacco.
My search was complicated by the fact that I'm also a menthol smoker... Something few vendors do right. GeJ has some of the best menthols of those that I've tried... but their tobacco flavors were as I mentioned, not the most authentic for the American tobacco cigarette... Don't get me wrong, they have great and authentic tobacco flavors available... just not the specific genre I am/was looking for.
Mr.Mann, not being a menthol smoker himself, actually came up with the closest solution that I could find until recently. He had suggested a particular GeJ tobacco ( Wrangler Lite or Patriot, I can't recall exactly ) and then suggested mixing in Aroma Ejuice's P-38 menthol into it. It actually is pretty good but like most menthols isn't quite right... they add a sweetener to it that makes it less dry. Menthol is a dry flavor, not a sweet one ( or one with a mint added like many others have done ). I've been using this solution, using the tobacco I like from a vendor and adding a few drops of P-38 to it... As long as the tobacco wasn't to dark of a flavor ( ie brown flavor ?? ) it seemed to work ok... just not perfect.
I finally started looking into some of the DIY flavorings... Picked up some TFA-Menthol and TFA-Koolada... I ended up with using about 1 drop of the Menthol and 2 drops of Koolada into 2-3ml of Big Spirit from N-E-T.com and it is about as perfect of a menthol cigarette flavor as I can find.
I've now ordered up some extra 15ml bottles of Big Spirit e-liquid for all of my friends that smoked cigarettes, each has different NIC levels they prefer so one bottle for each... one friend also smoked menthols so I made up a sample size bottles of TFA Menthol and Koolada for her to use/try. It will be interesting to see if their opinions on the juice is the same as mine... I should get the juice sometime by the end of next week or there abouts.
I've got a ton of great pipe juices from a lot of vendors and I do enjoy them a lot. As mentioned Black Cavendish from N-E-T.com is a great simple dark flavored pipe. Ahlusion's Blue Grass Burley is an excellent aromatic that will stay in my rotation as well ( and I need to get Vurley, Maple Burley and probably a few others to check out ). I like several of MOV's offerings but they don't allow any variation of PG/VG ratios yet. Want2Vape's offerings are nice but I see no reason to mess with a juice that is so prone to clogging up a coil when others equally nice are now available. For the flavored varieties... I really like several from Heather's Heavenly Vapes. MyVapeJuice.com has several nice mono-toned flavored pipe flavors for those looking for something without complexity but are a simple tobacco flavor, I'm undercertain if they will stay in my rotation but I can certainly see someone going for that style none the less.
I've carried on longer than I thought now... But to sum it up... When saying you are looking for an "authentic tobacco"... you really need to say which type and variation you are looking for. There are a lot of great authentic tobacco's available... but when looking for something to replace the type you smoke, there are more specific traits that must come into play.
Yep, those are FRESH. Huntsman is ready when it's more orange. Dragon's Fire become more caramel colored as you stated. Your Huntsman is still in short pants! Wait until the big boy pants come on!
Dark Horse, 3 months in, is very Huntsman like, or light as it were. Previously, it was closer to GeJ's Wrangler Light (grassy/straw-like with subtle sweetness). Now Dark Horse is short pants Huntsman: earthy tobacco with immature sweetness, a shadow of Huntsman.
I've enjoyed MoV Full Virginia Flake and Apache. The former is a NET RY4. It's a good choice for fans of Western RY4s that want an authentic tobacco taste, while still getting a lot of sweet flavor. It's very good, but I prefer GeJ GJ4 since its balance leans more towards tobacco. Apache is a nice, strong pipe tobacco. It's like Ahlusion's Devil Dog!, but with less bite. Devil Dog! is too potent for me to be an all-day vape, but I can vape Apache for long stretches.
Okay, though they used to come with big britches, I am sure that their turnover rate is such that, well, change that. They were always made to order. Anyhow, I will wait and see. If DF changes to how it used to come in the mail, I wouldn't be too upset. LOL. Huntsman is the one I am going to watch like a hawk.
When I got my re-order of Huntsman in a month or so ago, I gasped! It looked nothing like the Huntsman I'd been nursing, trying to make it stretch. My months old Dark Horse is about the same color as that fresh Huntsman now, but it's still just the base flavor. But it'll work now to stretch out the last few drops of Huntsman until the newer bottle gets a tad more color.
I'm starting to panic now though, since I have only 40ml left and I use it in a tank everyday. Need to reorder soon!
I'm starting to panic now though, since I have only 40ml left and I use it in a tank everyday. Need to reorder soon!
Wow, DF has changed just in looks alone. I've never seen DF that clear!! I'm really curious to hear your update in a month or so.
White lie is made by HHV (if someone hasn't already answered). It's a pear/coconut vape. No one does pear like Heather.
I am a fan of MOV NETs. Southern Gentleman is high in complexity without the flavor being "muddied" IMHO. When I vape it, I can imagine a Southern plantation owner firing it up in a pipe prior to the Civil War.
Apache is an English pipe tobacco flavor. If you never smoked a pipe, this one may take a bit of getting used to as it is robust, smokey, and very flavorful.
Sunday Mornong is a deep, dark, tobacco with their Coffee and Cream flavor added. The coffee is very subtle, merely a shaping note and the cream adds a slight, creamy sweetness. My favorite "around the house" vape.
That got my attention...what pear flavors do you suggest from them other than White Lie?
Watermelon Salsa:
2 cups seeded and coarsely chopped watermelon
2 Tbsp. chopped onion
3 Tbsp. seeded and chopped Anaheim chiles (I don't have access to those, so I use jalapenos)
2 Tbsp. balsamic vinegar
1/4 tsp. garlic salt
Combine all together in appropriate sized container, cover and chill in fridge for about an hour (have to let it steep!) I also suggest using Scoops chips as this salsa is very juicy!
And to keep things NET-friendly - goes well with Patriot and/or VB.
It sounded way better in my mind. Although my Father swears that lightly salted watermelon is delicious. I haven't tried it, but I do eat a lot of watermelon for snacks throughout the day.
I shot a few watermelon today with an AR chambered in 300 Blackout (same brass ... 5.56 with the neck trimmed off, sub sonic 127 grain .30 caliber) with a short barrel and suppressor in a muddy pit. Lot of fun. Shot a ton of 5.56 and 9mm, too.
To the best of my knowledge, there has been only two batches of DF extract made. The current batch came on board about June 1 and it tastes near identical to the first batch. However, I have noted a change in the first batch (as has GT) and found it initially (way back last summer) to be rich as well...almost dessert-like. But as time went by, the dessert-like flavor disappeared and it tasted exactly as Gandy V2 and Pirate's Booty V1. So either Batch #1 of DF evolved or there was another batch between V1 and the current batch.
Huntsman turns reddish/orange with age.
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