Sweet Sister of Neptune just sounds delicious. I won some other synthetic juices; I went with fruity liquids since I fear getting nutty syn-baccos, and they're not bad. Having had nothing but high quality juices, and burned on a few low end samples, I was leery. But MMV gets lots of praise, has reasonable prices, and offers some interesting mixes, so they're worthy of a tryout at least.
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Sweet Sister of Neptune just sounds delicious. I won some other synthetic juices; I went with fruity liquids since I fear getting nutty syn-baccos, and they're not bad. Having had nothing but high quality juices, and burned on a few low end samples, I was leery. But MMV gets lots of praise, has reasonable prices, and offers some interesting mixes, so they're worthy of a tryout at least.
Interesting! I just checked...500 ml of 18 mg/ml Unflavored Nicotine Base is about $25. If a semi-decent cigar costs $10, and plus some cost for the pure VG/PG then 500 ml of this juice will cost under $50 (excluding pots and pans)? It's basically less then $0.10 / ml... Is this right?
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I bought six one-ounce samples of pipe tobacco online for $24 shipped from Milan Tobacconists. One ounce ($4.00) is enough tobacco to do two batches yielding a total of approximately 200mls of extract, give or take. Mixed at 20%, that will make 1 liter of DIY NET juice (that's 33 30ml bottles). I buy PG and VG in bulk from Essential Depot for $27 per gallon shipped. HeartlandVapes 100mg/ml liquid nic is $75 shipped for a liter. I won't take up space with all the math, but that boils down to a total cost of 81¢ for a 30ml bottle of DIY NET juice at 18mg.
If you don't buy in bulk, you'll spend roughly two to three times that: $2-3 for a 30ml bottle of juice.
Hi there, sorry guys. I'm pretty new to this. Not sure what all this "NET" and "arcco/artibacco" lingo is. All I know is that I stopped smoking about a month ago or so and Gold Rush is the most enjoyable tobacco flavor I've had so far. Maybe that's not saying much but i get tired of overly sweet and fruity juices and just want a rich tabacco flavor. So far I've tried Freedom smoke American spirit, didn't like it. A local shops version of tobacco it was ok. Now I'm working on a few from Vapor Chef, they're still steeping but show potential, honey nut tobacco and southern comfort. I have some AIV on the way but I guess Gold Rush is what's working for me right now as far as tobacco is concerned.
Any suggestions on a good tobacco juice would be great. Oh, and some help on the lingo would be nice too.
Thanks
Your're fine. You're fine. Glad to have you on board. If you read the first few pages of this thread it'll all make sense. Actually, you can read the very first post and that'll explain the gist.
The topic of this thread is about eliquid tobacco flavors that were made from actual tobacco leaves, hence "Natural Tobaccos." NET means "naturally extracted tobacco," or "natural/extracted tobacco." The majority of eliquid out there that is called "tobacco" is in fact made with synthetic flavorings, i.e., artifical.
Good intelligent take on that Mr Mann. You watched it with a kind of scrutiny and depth I didn't. I guess I enjoyed learning about the evolution of smoking. Without disagreeing I guess the basic link between tobacco and nicotine is based on the fact that nicotine is naturally produced in tobacco and (I could be wrong) there is no other form of nicotine found in the natural world outside of the tobacco leaf.
I do tend to think that if nicotine were absent in tobacco, tobacco wouldn't have evolved at all. In one part of the documentary one commentator explains the causal link between the satisfaction of tobacco, the smoke, the ritual and the pleasure created in the brain through neurotransmitter inhibitors (such as MAOIs). Case in point - the first time we ever tried a cigarette it tasted disgusting but it was the incipient addiction to nicotine that created the association between that stinky, disgusting smoke and pleasure - resulting in a love for that smell of smoke and the way it hit our lungs.
The context of the 4 part series of this documentary is the vices that have evolved in human beings. The other three videos are on whiskey, opium and sugar. I guess the context of the series being that of how certain vices evolved gives a basic overview of the properties in tobacco being nicotine. There probably isn't a need to delve into the more intricate and specific chemicals that affect neurotransmitters in the brain.
On a slight side note, what would those MAOI inhibiting alkaloids do if the nicotine wasn't present, as in, if you separated them from the nicotine? Isn't it the interplay of the MAOI inhibitors and the nicotine together that makes tobacco such a seductive past time and drug and a chemical composition that you wouldn't find in any other substance known to man? I reckon we could get away with just nicotine to satisfy our craving for a cigarette (and many of us did before WTA's were introduced) but I don't think our craving for a cigarette would be sated with just the MAOI inhibitors (think anti-depressant and anti-anxiety drugs).
Not sure I am making a coherent point at this time of night but I hope I've provided a sufficient response.
I do tend to think that if nicotine were absent in tobacco, tobacco wouldn't have evolved at all. In one part of the documentary one commentator explains the causal link between the satisfaction of tobacco, the smoke, the ritual and the pleasure created in the brain through neurotransmitter inhibitors (such as MAOIs). Case in point - the first time we ever tried a cigarette it tasted disgusting but it was the incipient addiction to nicotine that created the association between that stinky, disgusting smoke and pleasure - resulting in a love for that smell of smoke and the way it hit our lungs.
The context of the 4 part series of this documentary is the vices that have evolved in human beings. The other three videos are on whiskey, opium and sugar. I guess the context of the series being that of how certain vices evolved gives a basic overview of the properties in tobacco being nicotine. There probably isn't a need to delve into the more intricate and specific chemicals that affect neurotransmitters in the brain.
On a slight side note, what would those MAOI inhibiting alkaloids do if the nicotine wasn't present, as in, if you separated them from the nicotine? Isn't it the interplay of the MAOI inhibitors and the nicotine together that makes tobacco such a seductive past time and drug and a chemical composition that you wouldn't find in any other substance known to man? I reckon we could get away with just nicotine to satisfy our craving for a cigarette (and many of us did before WTA's were introduced) but I don't think our craving for a cigarette would be sated with just the MAOI inhibitors (think anti-depressant and anti-anxiety drugs).
Not sure I am making a coherent point at this time of night but I hope I've provided a sufficient response.
Thanks, Anthony.
Nicotine is found in a variety of plants, but it is highest, by a mile, in tobacco leaves.
That's above my pay grade. That's minimum wage for DVap and Kurt.
Hoenstly, I would imagine that any MAOIs without nicotine would still be MAOIs. But, once working in concert with nicotine, that's when you get the perfect team. So yes, as far as I know, it's the combination of that composition--MAOIs + nicotine + other--that makes it, tobacco, a powerful force. Granted, nicotine, like LeBron James, can take over a game single-handedly and work magic on its own, but a team effort is always best. LOL
And conversely, for some, nicotine only does as little as simply taking MAOIs.
You made perfect sense to me. You always make sense, Anthony.
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Bronze, I got your liquid yesterday. As soon as I vaped it I realized that the first DF I had tastes just like this--well, except this has body to it. LOL. Yes, this has the beef (not saying it's robust) that mine is lacking. It's not quite the same, but it's almost the same thing as when I had Apollo's Sahara and said it tasted just like Ahlusion's, but without the tobacco. Yours tastes much closer to the one I had last year, but still not as saturated. I could easily vape yours.
Of course, to see if I was imagining this, I had my wife give me the good old blind-taste test. I cleaned out the atty and had her, out of my sight, drip 3-4 drops from one of the bottles in my atty. I vaped it and new right off the bat it was mine. She confirmed this.
I am interested if you will draw the same conclusion.
p.s. I had her drip the other bottle to see if I could taste the differece, and when I vaped it, I said "did you drip the big bottle (yours)?" She laughed and said "no." I caught it.
It should be noted that yours is old as hell though.
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Of course, to see if I was imagining this, I had my wife give me the good old blind-taste test. I cleaned out the atty and had her, out of my sight, drip 3-4 drops from one of the bottles in my atty. I vaped it and new right off the bat it was mine. She confirmed this.
I am interested if you will draw the same conclusion.
p.s. I had her drip the other bottle to see if I could taste the differece, and when I vaped it, I said "did you drip the big bottle (yours)?" She laughed and said "no." I caught it.
It should be noted that yours is old as hell though.
my Dragon's Fire:
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The cost is really cheap once you get the process down. If you're like me you'll be spending a lot in trial and error until you actually start seeing the massive savings. Maybe it's my ADD, maybe it's not my talent
And for those that are curious of the difference between yields of a soak vs. WTA extraction: WTA yields are basically around 1%. That would mean 100 grams of tobacco for 1 gram of WTA. At 24 mg, you get could get about a 30 mL and a 10 mL @ 24 mg strength. Just a wee bit of a difference. LOL.
p.s. That general information is what I've learned from talking to and reading DVap's writing.
Thank you very much for the breakdown. That's much less than I thought! Even $2-3 for 30 ml is not too bad at all. Beats buying packs of cigarettes by far! Plus all the fun of making it by yourself!
I can see that this can take some trial and error. I guess most of the cost for the trial and error would be the cost of the tobacco itself.... Limitless possibilities, tempting
Mr. Mann, thanks for the explanation. Mighty kind of you to take the time to help a newcomer understand. It's people like you that make this forum great.
Shatner, point taken
Shatner, point taken
Thanks
BA will satisfy the sweet tooth while still being a bacco vape. I'd especially suggest this for anyone who likes Pendragon from MOV.
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Yes Jerms, you organize your reviews very well. One question...the number is not necessarily a "favorability" number? Could it also be interpreted as a strength number?
I pulled off a bank heist to pay for my Kayfun.
BTW, the Kayfun works equally well on mechs (at subohm) and regulated mods (1.5 - 2.0 ohms w/microcoil). What I have learned is folks using the regulated mods (as I do) are getting up and running quicker, however.
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Bronze, I got your liquid yesterday. As soon as I vaped it I realized that the first DF I had tastes just like this--well, except this has body to it. LOL. Yes, this has the beef (not saying it's robust) that mine is lacking. It's not quite the same, but it's almost the same thing as when I had Apollo's Sahara and said it tasted just like Ahlusion's, but without the tobacco. Yours tastes much closer to the one I had last year, but still not as saturated. I could easily vape yours.
Of course, to see if I was imagining this, I had my wife give me the good old blind-taste test. I cleaned out the atty and had her, out of my sight, drip 3-4 drops from one of the bottles in my atty. I vaped it and new right off the bat it was mine. She confirmed this.
I am interested if you will draw the same conclusion.
p.s. I had her drip the other bottle to see if I could taste the differece, and when I vaped it, I said "did you drip the big bottle (yours)?" She laughed and said "no." I caught it.
It should be noted that yours is old as hell though.
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Laughing my ... off.
Another thought to add to your thoughts...I'm guessing you vaped 24mg or more. The juice I sent you is 18mg.
I think BJ said he sent out the headless juice so I should be seeing that any time.
Are you sure all your wife and you did while blindfolded was taste testing smoke juice?
Bmore...if you're interested in entering the NET world, make yourself a sampling strategy. It can be a long, arduous, expensive journey if you let it. Give us some idea as to what your likes and dislikes are. Folks can help steer you in the right direction. You may not be sure of your likes/dislikes. Whatever, sampling is hit and miss but is a necessary requirement to find liquids you truly enjoy.
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