Natural Tobaccos
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No punking from me. After you've been here awhile you'll see I may joke around, but when I'm giving info I'm serious. Please allow me to express my thoughts. No one is going to force you to do it my way. This vaping method I learned here on
ecf and You Tube. I don't get leaks doing it like this. On the other hand, with a dripper I use long stem drip tips for this method.
ecf and You Tube. I don't get leaks doing it like this. On the other hand, with a dripper I use long stem drip tips for this method.
Not wrong. If it works for you, then why change. Your way is right for you so keep on truckin'.
Technically correct and that's why it get's called a pressure equalization system on the kayfuns and similar devices. If you could somehow measure the atmospheric pressure in the little air bubble at the top of the juice, it would be less than outside the tube because of the gravitational pull of the liquid. When you apply suction with your mouth to vape, that lowers the atmospheric pressure all the way to the air hole and the air rushes in and some liquid is pulled in also because the atmospheric pressure is even lower than in the little air bubble. The wick soaks it up and holds it and an air bubble goes up through the juice to equalize the pressure.
A lot of us pull the vapor into our mouth first, then on in to our lungs. But it's the same thing, because we're expanding the cavity of our mouth which lowers the atmospheric pressure.
Actually the kayfun type devices depend on the vaping action to wick properly. It's true enough that you can flood them by covering
the air hole and giving sharp little pulls but you quickly learn how much force to apply to the dry puff. Also if your system is wicking pretty good but you want the wick saturated, you can give a couple of dry puffs without covering the air hole and that may be enough to saturate the wick without flooding it.
On my clone, I actually depend on covering the air hole and giving a couple of dry pulls every three or four vapes to keep my wicks saturated. I make the tails of my wicks a little longer and wrap them around above the channels with each ending where the other comes down. They don't wick quite as good that way but I do that to prevent flooding when I cover the air hole for a dry pull.
I used to drip a lot and I just think there's a difference between vaping from a fully saturated wick. I vape, vape, vape, cover air hole and dry pull, then vape, vape, vape again. Every bit as good as dripping or sqonking.
This is a method for genesis atties only, correct? If not, please point me to a link on ECF or YouTube that shows this technique. Because I've never heard of or seen in practice any such thing. I wrap my lips around the drip tip and suck. The most "long time" vaper I know -- Wlad from Ahlusion -- does exactly what I do. So do GrimmGreen and PBusardo. Mr. Mann might as well not even turn his Provari on. He'll get just as much vapor without a battery using this method with a Joye 510.
Does anyone have any additional input about why my Sunday Morning tastes like a weak (think Blu) maple syrup vape? I'm sure it doesn't help that all I have is a Protank II without the know-how to rebuild heads, but I'd think I'd be able to get a good, roasty, pipe-tobacco vape out of it in some measure?
My thing is I want a vape that really reminds me of the senses I get when walking into an old shop where some elderly man has been smoking a pipe, or I'd settle for something as sweet as how a pipe shop smells. In general, I'd think a NET in any form would at least be as deep as a chocolate vape.
My thing is I want a vape that really reminds me of the senses I get when walking into an old shop where some elderly man has been smoking a pipe, or I'd settle for something as sweet as how a pipe shop smells. In general, I'd think a NET in any form would at least be as deep as a chocolate vape.
MJTP,
MOV Sunday Morning "should" give you a moderate natural tobacco kick with a hint of dark coffee. Mine does, or did, until I added more coffee extract to get the coffee-ness about equal to the tobacco-ness. I just opened up a brand-new and unaltered 15ml bottle of Sunday Morning that's been steeping for eight months and atty-dripped a little. Yes, that's what it tastes like to me: a moderate NET with a little dark coffee. My brain doesn't say "Pipe" with Sunday Morning, just "Ah yes, tobacco." Also, Sunday Morning won't knock you on your .... with tobacco intensity. Only a small number of retail NET juices are truly in-your-face with their tobacco impact. Ahlusion Devil Dog and Blue Grass Burley, want2vape London, and MOV Apache immediately come to mind as more straightforwardly aggressive tobaccos. Most NETs, though, are fairly mild.
Your juice delivery system shouldn't matter much. Oh, maybe a little with a Protank, but only as a slight muting of the flavor. Twisting the flavor profile into maple syrup is something else entirely---no atomizer, carto, clearo, or tank should cause that kind of flavor-shifting transformation. I have no idea why yours tastes like maple syrup. Mine doesn't, and yours shouldn't. Sorry I can't be more helpful, except to confirm that something ain't kosher. You might email Steve at MOV and see what he has to say about it.
Even after three years without a cigarette, my previous 40 years of chain-smoking damaged my lungs sufficiently that I NEVER direct inhale. Oh, I've tried direct lung inhaling, but I react immediately by coughing my guts out, even though it's just flavored vapor. I'm grateful not to have chronic smoker's cough any more, and my internist is thrilled that my lungs sound uncongested and clear when he checks me with his stethoscope, but I still have to be mindful about what my lungs can and can't handle.
I see many review videos where vapers inhale so massively and for so long in a single draw that I'm downright astonished, although I have to go on record as not being a fan at all of videos where people vape. I know that some folks like that, but watching other people vape on video is off-putting to me. (I'm appreciative and relieved that RPadTV doesn't vape in his vids. Thank you, Raymond!)
Though dubious, I gave Boomer's method a try, and my reaction was exactly as I presumed it would be. I didn't have a terrible coughing fit, but if I'd kept it up I would have. Maybe that method would work for someone, but not me.
Here's how I vape: I do one or two primer puffs to get the coil good and hot, observing the density of vapor in front of my face. Then I inhale into my mouth. All that happens with my lips sealed around the drip tip. Once I have a mouthful of vapor, I open my lips slightly and inhale air, which pushes the vapor in my mouth down into my lungs. With an air/vapor mix in my lungs, I pull the PV away from my mouth and savor the flavor for a couple seconds, then exhale slowly, almost as an automatic physical reflex.
Why do I vape that way? Because I like it, and it works for me. I shouldn't be surprised, of course, that ECF and YouTube offer precise instructions in how to vape, but I guess I just assume that all vapers will naturally figure out and do whatever works for them.
And about the maple syrup flavor, see, "smokey" is something I can cross off my list as a requirement, but when it comes to more of the flavor profile, I just would enjoy something rich, woody, earthly, and dark. I would think a chocolate-toffee vape would be very close to what I'm after - years ago, Blu's tobacco flavor profile was very toffee and as a starting point, it won me over (their flavor has since gotten cheap and gas station-like). Just, I want something in the juice that gives it a good roasty flavor and I'm hoping NET is an ingredient that really can give that without overpowering it into the "ok is my wick burning or is this the juice?" or "ashtray" territory. As it is, I smoke Southern Cuts by Malboro, and I like the complexity and strength of them, but as a vape, the taste would be a bit much toward "ashtray" for my preference of something I could vape. I'd need something a lot more moist and sweet, a lot more like a package of pipe tobacco smells.
So far, there just seems something defective with the Sunday Morning, either that, or my coils are only getting hot enough to vaporize the "cream" flavor or something like that. Which other companies would have a good juice for me? I'd definately prefer a glass-bottle company and a juice that doesn't kill coils too rapidly (first time tank'er). Or is there any artificial tobacco's that really would match what I'm after (if they'd be easier on a beginner?)
So far, there just seems something defective with the Sunday Morning, either that, or my coils are only getting hot enough to vaporize the "cream" flavor or something like that. Which other companies would have a good juice for me? I'd definately prefer a glass-bottle company and a juice that doesn't kill coils too rapidly (first time tank'er). Or is there any artificial tobacco's that really would match what I'm after (if they'd be easier on a beginner?)
For me, direct lung-hits feel wrong and it has since the first time I took any smoke into my lungs. To my lungs, direct lung-hits feel like accidentally taking in smoke--like being too close to a bonfire. Unnecessarily harsh.
I actually can get slightly more vapor going directly to my lungs without a seal, but the experience isn't enjoyable. I already get plenty of full, tasty, non-whispy vapor with my ar ar ar, seal. LOL
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Rather than fire your bonds, you can send them to me. I can dispose of them properly.
Thanks for not quoting me. LOL
I still don't see this "channel"
A hole on the right? Yep. A machined notch on the left that I see no way conducive to juice flow? uh huh. But that's it.
I'm really not trying to be a P in the A, but I just don't see it. It's going to take having it in my hands. But that should be soon as it's already shipped.
On a non vaping note; it's moving day. I hired moves and packers. The ladies are here packing now. Been here since 8am. Wow, they're moving super fast. All I had to do was move 40+ guns and pack 30,000+ rounds of ammo in to 2 footlockers. They're even packing my art glass collection!!! And that's what I was worried about most.
The men will be here between 12 and 2 to move me. This is the first time I've hired movers and holy wow, I can't believe moving can be this easy. I'll never not use a moving and packing company again.
I may have converted one of the ladies to vaping. She saw me vaping some NETCOM Gold and asked what it was. I gave her an 2 extra eGo batts, a few atomizers and a bottle of liquid. She seems to love it. Scratch that, she just said in Spanish to another one of the ladies that 'this thing is awesome and I don't even want a cigarette". Success; feels great to share the knowledge of vaping!
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It looks like you have a a lot of requirements in the specific type of vape you're after. It can be good to have an idea of what you want, but don't get too hung up on that. Especially as an newer vaper, you may be surprised to find what you end up liking is different than what you think you'll like, so keep an open mind. Whether someone is looking to find that elusive perfect, all day vape, or just searching for good vapes in general, there's one thing that you can't avoid.. sampling around. I advise enjoying the journey instead of focusing on the destination.
You say you want in a vape: rich, woody, earthy, dark; possibly chocolate-toffee, good roasty flavor; no burning or ashtray flavor; complexity and strength of a Marb Southern Cut but a lot more moist and sweet like pipe tobacco smells; all in a glass bottle that doesn't gunk coils. That's a LOT to expect from a single vape, but by sampling around you may run into a few that hits a lot of what you're looking for.
My favorite coffee tobacco is JG Blend from Ahlusion with the dark roast option. I enjoyed Sunday Morning, but the coffee was more subtle than I was looking for in a coffee tobacco, and it faded fairly quickly for me.
For rich, woody, and earthy, but without being ashy or smokey, I'm thinking one of the Wild Wood blends from Ahlusion (maybe Caramel Wild Wood). Ahlusion comes in glass bottles as long as it's 30ml or more, and the ones I've mentioned are pretty clean on coils.
There's some from Heather'sHeavenlyVapes you may enjoy, but they don't come in glass bottles. They are some of the cleanest on coils though, and they fill the moist and sweet requrements. Huntman fills the rich, woody, and earthy requirements. Serendipity and Legend are moist and sweet pipe-ish tobaccos.
Getting a sample pack from HHV and seeing if that's closer to what you want would be a good next destination in my opinion, as long as you don't NEED for them to be in glass bottles. And check out Ahlusion when the site comes back up.
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Generally, I think people should find what works the best for them when it comes to vaping and not worry what others do. But when it comes to direct lung hits, there's a stubborn, old-school smoker, close-minded part of me that screams.. stop it! You're doing it WRONG!!
I can imagine running into a young kid sneaking a cigarette and sucking at it like a.. illegal smokable that we don't discuss around here that has nothing to do with vaping and won't be mentioned.. I would (in my mind) slap that cig out of his hand and yell, "you're too young to smoke, where's your parents". And then pick up that cig, look around, and say, "but if you are going to, let me at least show you how to do it right".
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Wow, this thread gets tons of chatter! Woke up today to like 20 notifications on my phone. Anyways, I think I'm going to order MOV's Virginia Flake RY4 soon! I just read the description and reviews of it and it makes me salivate.
I don't think Boomerdude is punking us but his method definitely doesn't work for me. I get a thin, harsh vapor that hurts my throat. "YMMV", as they say.
That is an excellent question, one I've pondered myself. After all, regardless of how the juice gets there, it all comes down to a coil and a wick, right? That reply that follows yours (forgot to quote it) about the level of saturation of the wick seems plausible to me. I've gotten into the habit of tipping my top-coil clearos, even the ones with long wicks, just 'cause I seem to get a better vape and much fewer dry hits that way. The difference could also have to do with the relative surface area of coil/wick, which tends to be greater in a dripper than, say, a clearomizer.
I find most vaping videos annoying and ridiculously long drags and blowing vapor at the camera are only part of it. There's also the rambling presentation, crappy production values, etc. I haven't checked out RPad yet but I will.
PS: I'm with you on not being into watching other people vape - unless the vaper happens to be a cute girl, that is. Then it's.... y'know, kinda interesting
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I don't think Boomerdude is punking us but his method definitely doesn't work for me. I get a thin, harsh vapor that hurts my throat. "YMMV", as they say.
That is an excellent question, one I've pondered myself. After all, regardless of how the juice gets there, it all comes down to a coil and a wick, right? That reply that follows yours (forgot to quote it) about the level of saturation of the wick seems plausible to me. I've gotten into the habit of tipping my top-coil clearos, even the ones with long wicks, just 'cause I seem to get a better vape and much fewer dry hits that way. The difference could also have to do with the relative surface area of coil/wick, which tends to be greater in a dripper than, say, a clearomizer.
I find most vaping videos annoying and ridiculously long drags and blowing vapor at the camera are only part of it. There's also the rambling presentation, crappy production values, etc. I haven't checked out RPad yet but I will.
PS: I'm with you on not being into watching other people vape - unless the vaper happens to be a cute girl, that is. Then it's.... y'know, kinda interesting
RPADTV's reviews are really nice, professionally presented, concise and provide useful information such as price, ratios, presentation factor, flavor, and gunk factor. And the reviews get better over time. 2 thumbs up!
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