Natural Tobaccos

[Frankenmizer]

Just a quick note to say I am really enjoying NETcom's single varietal extracts.
I'll avoid waxing rhapsodic about Fire-Cured Burley, and most recently Choctaw Perique - instead I'll
just say that smoking cigarettes really homogenized what I thought of as "tobacco".

 

[MJTP]

So my recent experience minutes ago - I went to the tobacco store and picked up a little corn-cob pipe that had a bag of vanilla Cavendish with it for free, all for $4. I try it out, and while the corn-cob pipe initially tastes awful, it calms down a bit and reveals that the vanilla Cavendish tastes exactly like a Black'n'Mild - a lacquer-ish (not licorice), polish-y cigar taste. Cheap tobacco may just be like this, but in my opinion, Marlboro Southern Cuts are leagues above this flavor profile - a very brown roast with leatherhide tones, no sort of varnish-y taste. While I'm not big on many cigarette brands at all, I like a very brown flavor profile, wether moist or dry, that's just the tone I like. The vanilla Cavendish was more tolerable than a Black'n'Mild just because the flavor was less up front, just not what I'd call an enjoyable flavor by far. Cavendish may just be a very sour smoke by design, just not sure. Smelled great out of the pack, though.

If that's what I think about that, what can I expect out of GeJ's NET version of RY4 and Periqiue? Are they also very varnish-y, or do they make their way more toward a brown, roasty blend?

 

[MJTP]

^Most of all, I'm just not a fan of sour blends; I find that gas station cigars taste like perfume, and this pipe tobacco seems to be made from the same stuff. Reviews say that the Perique can have either a Whiskey or Floral/Fig note, in which I love the authenticity of the oak flavor of Jack Daniels, so hopefully that deep woodiness would come through without being nutty. It's fermented it seems, which I'm weary of because that may be what gives tobacco a very black flavor, but hopefully the NET is mellow. Overall, I guess I'm just nervous about the taste, I can't wait to finally taste a truly tobacco-ish NET, but I don't want to discover that my wish for the sweetness of the scent of pipe tobacco may not truly be out there....

 

[Jerms]

Neither GJ4 nor Natural Perique are made with cavendish. GJ4 uses a natural Burley extract and has caramel and vanilla to make it an RY4, and Natural Perique is make with.. natural Perique.

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[Jerms]

^Most of all, I'm just not a fan of sour blends; I find that gas station cigars taste like perfume, and this pipe tobacco seems to be made from the same stuff. Reviews say that the Perique can have either a Whiskey or Floral/Fig note, in which I love the authenticity of the oak flavor of Jack Daniels, so hopefully that deep woodiness would come through without being nutty. It's fermented it seems, which I'm weary of because that may be what gives tobacco a very black flavor, but hopefully the NET is mellow. Overall, I guess I'm just nervous about the taste, I can't wait to finally taste a truly tobacco-ish NET, but I don't want to discover that my wish for the sweetness of the scent of pipe tobacco may not truly be out there....

Yeah, hand rolled, premium cigars and quality pipe tobacco are a different beast than gas station cigarillos and cheap pipe tobacco.

I wouldn't try to guess or worry about the juices you have coming. You'll find out if they are for you when you try them, and it may take a while to become accustomed to the new flavors before you'll be sure if they work for you or not.

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[MJTP]

I'm still piping on this real vanilla Cavendish pipe tobacco trying to pick up on some flavors, but it really is a very sour smoke. Granted, this corn cob pipe is crap, but once the tobacco is lit well, it shouldn't be frying the pipe too much, and I'm keeping a cool puff. Overall, it's better than a Black'n'Mild or Swisher Sweet, less enjoyable than a Backwoods, but just not my flavor. Once the pipe gets a little dark I may try coating it with some honey or maple syrup, see if does anything. I'm a little impressed with my first pipe experience; I can at least keep the thing lit the whole time without it going out much. Just meh, it's a very sour blend, it's not far away from being paint thinner, lacquer, primer, paint, bug spray, polish, and varnish all in one, with just a touch of naturalness that let's you realize it may just be a plant. I do have to say that I enjoy smoking a pipe though; you don't have to worry about ash getting everywhere! I wouldn't mind finding a really great pipe tobacco too - surely there's something out there that's just in a totally different zone that this. For me, I live in Montgomery County, Tennessee, where Type 22 tobacco is grown (FDA calls it that) and it's for chewing tobacco mainly. They don't really do much to it other than hang it up and let it smoke under a fire. You can smell it everywhere here, and the scent of it just makes you want to go in one of those barns and eat it. And my quest is to find a vape that actually more or less could strangely taste like it; I figure it's possible, since vaping is so nasal related.

Anyway, sorry for the "real" tobacco interlude, but until my vaping devices and juices work for the first time, I have to experiment around somehow!

 

[Big Juicy]

^Most of all, I'm just not a fan of sour blends; I find that gas station cigars taste like perfume, and this pipe tobacco seems to be made from the same stuff. Reviews say that the Perique can have either a Whiskey or Floral/Fig note, in which I love the authenticity of the oak flavor of Jack Daniels, so hopefully that deep woodiness would come through without being nutty. It's fermented it seems, which I'm weary of because that may be what gives tobacco a very black flavor, but hopefully the NET is mellow. Overall, I guess I'm just nervous about the taste, I can't wait to finally taste a truly tobacco-ish NET, but I don't want to discover that my wish for the sweetness of the scent of pipe tobacco may not truly be out there....

I would caution you against Perique...or just get a small sample. I have never gotten floral or fig from it. I HAVE gotten a yeasty, almost sweet quality. However often at best I get a yeasty element and at worst (to others, best) and almost mushroom thing. Read up on the tobaccos at pipe tobacco websites before throwing down money.

A cheap cavendish can seem sour. a good, well aged cavendish has a slightly funky, slightly sweet, full bodied and unique flavor. The best vanilla cavendish I have had is Coventry from NETCOM. It has that signature mild funk of cavendish, but not too much of it nor too much vanilla. Speaking of netcom, if the JD sounds good you gotta try their bourbon seasoned cigar. That is a masterfully done vape. the bourbon is balanced perfectly, with the subtle touch of bourbon depth and a highlight of the liquor's sweet side. Many would say Vurley by Ahlusion is the best vanilla tobacco on the market. You sound like a burley or Virginia guy to me. I also have a hunch that Vita Bella may be in your wheelhouse.

 

[Chinook]

I know our side-discussion of vape technique was hours ago but the comment above about "primer puffs" stayed on my mind the rest of the day. I didn't think they were necessary with a manual battery - especially since I usually pull the trigger a second or two before I start to take a drag - but I started doing it this afternoon and sure enough, just one or two short puffs before the "main event" really does give a better vape. Whattaya know!

I forgot who but someone else, maybe in another thread, mentioned another way of doing primer puffs. With the power off and air holes covered with fingers, taking a 2-3 seconds suck through drip tip. This brings up more juice to the coil especially if the juice level is down. I guess this will be the "cold primer puff" I tried both techniques with my Triton and they work well. When I combine both, then it's really great, more taste and vapor!... First cold then hot primer puffs then the real puff!

By the way after 20+ days, I just realized that my tanks have two air holes, not one -- I'm getting old

 

[Big Juicy]

I'm still piping on this real vanilla Cavendish pipe tobacco trying to pick up on some flavors, but it really is a very sour smoke. Granted, this corn cob pipe is crap, but once the tobacco is lit well, it shouldn't be frying the pipe too much, and I'm keeping a cool puff. Overall, it's better than a Black'n'Mild or Swisher Sweet, less enjoyable than a Backwoods, but just not my flavor. Once the pipe gets a little dark I may try coating it with some honey or maple syrup, see if does anything. I'm a little impressed with my first pipe experience; I can at least keep the thing lit the whole time without it going out much. Just meh, it's a very sour blend, it's not far away from being paint thinner, lacquer, primer, paint, bug spray, polish, and varnish all in one, with just a touch of naturalness that let's you realize it may just be a plant. I do have to say that I enjoy smoking a pipe though; you don't have to worry about ash getting everywhere! I wouldn't mind finding a really great pipe tobacco too - surely there's something out there that's just in a totally different zone that this. For me, I live in Montgomery County, Tennessee, where Type 22 tobacco is grown (FDA calls it that) and it's for chewing tobacco mainly. They don't really do much to it other than hang it up and let it smoke under a fire. You can smell it everywhere here, and the scent of it just makes you want to go in one of those barns and eat it. And my quest is to find a vape that actually more or less could strangely taste like it; I figure it's possible, since vaping is so nasal related.

Anyway, sorry for the "real" tobacco interlude, but until my vaping devices and juices work for the first time, I have to experiment around somehow!

Dude...try CHEWBACCO from NETCOM

 

[MJTP]

With my order, I just got the samplers - about $3.50 each with the discount. I didn't realize that GeJ sent me a %20 off coupon upon signing up, which really bummed me out.... would have turned my juices into $3 each. Oh well, I can use it next time. So many NET's to try after all, and I plan on sampling quite a few if they don't prove to be too bitter or black for my tastes. And hmm, mushroom or yeast... doesn't sound too pleasant. If it has a really natural taste, like something grown out of the earth, I may be able to work with it, but if it's more of a wet t-shirt vape... maybe I can send it off to Blu, they'll like it. NET.com, Gej, and MOV are really the three I want to tackle the lines of first, and I plan on doing some video reviews so hopefully after I get that going that some of the brands may want to send me a few little mini samplers to test out.

 

[Big Juicy]

Perique is referred to as the "caviar of tobacco's" and not just because it its high end stature. That said, it IS a must try. Mix it up. A couple burley's, some Virginia, a Latakia, a perique

Personally I am ordering all of the single leafs from NETCOm and going to play with blends

 

[Vapo Marx]

I forgot who but someone else, maybe in another thread, mentioned another way of doing primer puffs. With the power off and air holes covered with fingers, taking a 2-3 seconds suck through drip tip. This brings up more juice to the coil especially if the juice level is down. I guess this will be the "cold primer puff" I tried both techniques with my Triton and they work well. When I combine both, then it's really great, more taste and vapor!... First cold then hot primer puffs then the real puff!

As a matter o' fact, since my last post about it, I discovered that a 'cold puff' before vaping does seem to prime things pretty well, at least if it's been more than a minute since my last vape. If I took a hit only moments earlier, it doesn't seem necessary. Gotta do it gently, though, lest you get juice in your mouth! Another thing that really helps is to simply tilt the clearo for a moment and let the top of the wicks saturate before having a vape, even if the wicks are long.

 

[Vapo Marx]

Dude...try CHEWBACCO from NETCOM

I was just about to suggest that!

Chewbacco

 

[Chinook]

As a matter o' fact, since my last post about it, I discovered that a 'cold puff' before vaping does seem to prime things pretty well, at least if it's been more than a minute since my last vape. If I took a hit only moments earlier, it doesn't seem necessary. Gotta do it gently, though, lest you get juice in your mouth! Another thing that really helps is to simply tilt the clearo for a moment and let the top of the wicks saturate before having a vape, even if the wicks are long.

I agree that tilting definitely helps even if the juice level is not that low.

For the maximum experience, before one in fourth vape, tilt 'n saturate, cold primer and hot primer

 

[rdsok]

I agree that tilting definitely helps even if the juice level is not that low.

For the maximum experience, before one in fourth vape, tilt 'n saturate, cold primer and hot primer

That depends on the type of vaporizer you are using... a bottom coil it won't make a difference where as a top coil it certainly does help

 

[Vapo Marx]

Yeah, we're talking about top-coils (T2 type in our case).

I had a brief flirtation with bottom-coils (Evod, Mini T3S) and they were OK but just didn't do "it" for me.

 

[Jerms]

Perique is referred to as the "caviar of tobacco's" and not just because it its high end stature.

Correct. It's because it tastes like fish eggs. Mmmmm fish eggs.

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[Dusty_D]

Correct. It's because it tastes like fish eggs. Mmmmm fish eggs.

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Fermented fish eggs! Mmmmm fermented fish eggs.

 

[_jmeek]

Are any of you pipers familiar with these blends?

2 Daughters Rimboche Perique Blend
Drew Estate Meat Pie (a Balkan Blend)

After several successes with Scarf's Slow Cooker method I'm ready to go for more distinctive flavors.
My tobacconist recommended these and they are on order. Couldn't find any reviews at tobaccoreviews.com

 

[bustamelon]

I have a large stash of Dragon's Fire I keep in the fridge (hedging back in May that the new batch would fail). Still have a bunch. But I just bought a new bottle of 6mg that I was going to use to cut my nic levels for the Kayfun. Got the new DF 8 days ago. Just mixed it 50/50 with my stash juice and have been vaping it all night. No difference. Tastes like DF. Beginning to think MM got a dud bottle.

I know I'm digging up a dusty old post here, but I've been reading throught this thread for like 3 weeks and I haven't got to the end yet! Just wanted to express my sheer envy re: the DF stash. I think this is my favorite juice so far.