Natural Tobaccos
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Being somewhat bored.. I brought out the MOV Pendragon to try out...
This is on day one of just having the cap off and no additional steep time beyond the time it took to mail it to me...
As of now, the cherry and vanilla are a bit prominent being on par in strength to the tobacco notes themselves. I'm really enjoying the overall flavors as it is even though it's a bit sweet to me ATM. This is one to keep in the rotation and I suspect the cherry, vanilla and hopefully the sweetness will tone back just a bit so the tobacco can come to the forefront more but not so much that it changes it too much.
Now, I'm starting to wonder if I should try Southern Gentleman or Apache next... or just refill with more Pendragon..
This is on day one of just having the cap off and no additional steep time beyond the time it took to mail it to me...
As of now, the cherry and vanilla are a bit prominent being on par in strength to the tobacco notes themselves. I'm really enjoying the overall flavors as it is even though it's a bit sweet to me ATM. This is one to keep in the rotation and I suspect the cherry, vanilla and hopefully the sweetness will tone back just a bit so the tobacco can come to the forefront more but not so much that it changes it too much.
Now, I'm starting to wonder if I should try Southern Gentleman or Apache next... or just refill with more Pendragon..
How do you plug that into a parametric EQ?
I don't know, I leave that stuff to my Discman audio technition.
I haven't had good audio equipment in years. I was the type of drunk that pawned things. I do have fairly decent Koss and Sennheiser earphones at least since I listen to CDs quite a bit.
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Don't knock them until you try them... I preferred my 5 band parametric over a 24+ band graphic any day...
... of course, I didn't like introducing distortion from a head phone jack on a cassette tape deck, so I guess it wouldn't be much better on a cd player..
I received a response from W2V about PURE "Smoke". I'm waiting for permission from them to post the response, but until then I don't mind saying that yes, it is created with a NET, like the wording implies in their description.
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Yes, but can your precious NETs produce the complex harmonic distortion and compression of overdriven valves, or the sound of a perfectly cured Turkish blend, or....wait....what were we talking about again??
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Ok... I did a couple of quick taste tests for MOV's Southern Gentleman and Apache...
I can now say that I've yet to acquire a taste for Latika or Oriental tobaccos... they are a bit darker than I care for at this time. I suspect that W2V's Pure Smoke and Paris have both or one or the other as well... Taking a wild guess I'd say at least the Latika. I can also say that I feel that MOV's takes on these two show much better balance in flavor than what I experienced in W2V's. I would have no qualms over suggesting someone try either of these from MOV even though they don't appear to fall in my preferences at this time.
If steeping hasn't taught me but one thing... I do know to taste all of these again later after they've had time to develop and meld more.
I can now say that I've yet to acquire a taste for Latika or Oriental tobaccos... they are a bit darker than I care for at this time. I suspect that W2V's Pure Smoke and Paris have both or one or the other as well... Taking a wild guess I'd say at least the Latika. I can also say that I feel that MOV's takes on these two show much better balance in flavor than what I experienced in W2V's. I would have no qualms over suggesting someone try either of these from MOV even though they don't appear to fall in my preferences at this time.
If steeping hasn't taught me but one thing... I do know to taste all of these again later after they've had time to develop and meld more.
Been vaping Pendragon for a few hours now. Didn't wow me like Sunday Morning, but I do appreciate it about as much, if that makes sense. It places itself pretty far as a vape I really enjoy. It's quite different than SM, but they both have a silky smooth texture I love. SM didn't play like a hybrid, even though it is one, and this one doesn't either, which is isn't.
Very well balanced, flavorful pipe vape. I'm glad the requests to make it stronger was done, as I wouldn't want it any lighter. I would rank it as a medium flavored vape, maybe on the lighter side and probably JDS dependant. SM was strong enough I imagine it would come through on most systems, but this one has notes that could easily be muted.
It's a fairly sweet juice, at a level I enjoy but sweeter than many who like their tobaccos straight-up may like. The tobacco is described a mild Cavendish with light Burley notes to add depth. Seems like a good description. Though mild I can still easily place the different tobacco notes on inhale and exhale. The most interesting tobacco note to me is felt during the aftertaste, which plays as an extremely authentic tobacco left on my tounge that I recognise but don't know the right word to describe it. There is hints of smokiness during the exhale, but I really can't tell if the aftertaste would be described as grassy, hay, woodsy, etc. Whatever the correct descriptive word is, it's one of my favorite parts of this vape.
It has notes of cherry and vanilla which aren't added, but are part of the tobacco like I've read HHV NETs are. It's just very balanced, and feels complex rather than multi-flavored. I don't think I would have been able to pick out the cherry and vanilla notes left to my own pallet without further knowledge of the juice. I can see them though, especially the creaminess that's reminiscent of vanilla.
Overall a really great juice. I appreciate it even more now than when I started writing this, as I took a lot of vapes trying to describe what I'm tasting. Really complex blends like this really make the juice part of the hobby a lot of fun for me. Like SM, I will be re-ordering this once or twice.
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Very well balanced, flavorful pipe vape. I'm glad the requests to make it stronger was done, as I wouldn't want it any lighter. I would rank it as a medium flavored vape, maybe on the lighter side and probably JDS dependant. SM was strong enough I imagine it would come through on most systems, but this one has notes that could easily be muted.
It's a fairly sweet juice, at a level I enjoy but sweeter than many who like their tobaccos straight-up may like. The tobacco is described a mild Cavendish with light Burley notes to add depth. Seems like a good description. Though mild I can still easily place the different tobacco notes on inhale and exhale. The most interesting tobacco note to me is felt during the aftertaste, which plays as an extremely authentic tobacco left on my tounge that I recognise but don't know the right word to describe it. There is hints of smokiness during the exhale, but I really can't tell if the aftertaste would be described as grassy, hay, woodsy, etc. Whatever the correct descriptive word is, it's one of my favorite parts of this vape.
It has notes of cherry and vanilla which aren't added, but are part of the tobacco like I've read HHV NETs are. It's just very balanced, and feels complex rather than multi-flavored. I don't think I would have been able to pick out the cherry and vanilla notes left to my own pallet without further knowledge of the juice. I can see them though, especially the creaminess that's reminiscent of vanilla.
Overall a really great juice. I appreciate it even more now than when I started writing this, as I took a lot of vapes trying to describe what I'm tasting. Really complex blends like this really make the juice part of the hobby a lot of fun for me. Like SM, I will be re-ordering this once or twice.
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When I was first taste testing Pendragon... I was using an IGO-L RBA using a 2.5 ohm coil on a silica wick and as I said, the cherry, vanilla and tobacco notes were all very present... I just filled an EVOD with a 2.0 ohm head ... Jerms assumption about the JDS affecting the flavor is correct. On the EVOD the cherry and vanilla don't show up as much... In fact, I think the overall blend is much more homogeneous and the different flavor notes are harder to tell apart.
It looks like I'm going to have to use a RBA tank such as the AGA-T+ in order to carry a larger capacity JDS than the IGO-L or put up with a more subdued flavors...
It looks like I'm going to have to use a RBA tank such as the AGA-T+ in order to carry a larger capacity JDS than the IGO-L or put up with a more subdued flavors...
Yes, but can your precious NETs produce the complex harmonic distortion and compression of overdriven valves, or the sound of a perfectly cured Turkish blend, or....wait....what were we talking about again??
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Awesome! Of course not, VM! I said 90-95%! Though, come to think of it - the complex harmonic distortion of the valves could be likened to the tobacco blend itself, as you usually get those settings before you go to tape.
Thanks for the addition! Don't knock them until you try them... I preferred my 5 band parametric over a 24+ band graphic any day...
... of course, I didn't like introducing distortion from a head phone jack on a cassette tape deck, so I guess it wouldn't be much better on a cd player..
Oh, I wasn't knocking them RD.. I was knocking you.
Parametric all the way! Anyhoo.. I received some Apache in a swap this week. Really good stuff, but I have to concur with the previous sentiments in the thread regarding the similarities to Devil Dog. As I vape them side-by-side in two IGO-L's set up with identical wicks and coils, I don't find them to be indentical, but they are extremely close. Both juices have that very recognizable and enjoyable combination of Latakia and Virginia. Apache is said to have orientals in the blend as well, though I'm not sure I'm picking up on them. There seems to be something else, but it's not very defined. I'll keep working on it. All in all, it's a really well-done juice that tastes nothing like the other juices in the Gold Label line. All the rest I've tried - PenD, SunMorn, VA Flake - all have that sort of steam-distilled, perfume-y thing going on with the tobacco that doesn't quite jive with me. Apache, on the other hand, has a very realistic tobacco taste. I don't pick up on any of those un-pleasantries that I get in the other juices. I'm not sure if this one was extracted differently, or if it's just the sheer power of the smoky Latakia and toasty VA that covers it up in this juice. Either way, it is conjuring up a lot of the same emotions that Devil Dog does.
Where Devil Dog excels and, in my opinion, surpasses Apache though, is in the blend of the tobacco itself. I can clearly taste the Latakia. The Virginia. And the Burleys in DD. Even the Perique is there to be found for the patient and discerning vaper. And it's all blended with precision. Apache gets close, but it's not as interesting to me. The only other Latakia-type tobacco vapes out there (that I know of) are Vapenstein London and GeJ Fire Cured. London was good, but not special enough to reorder. Fire Cured is great, but not Latakia enough to really call Latakia. Apache is right there where it needs to be - milder than London, pipe-ier than Fire Cured, and chasing DD, nipping at his azz.
Devil Dog is still my #1 juice. Hands down. Vapegasm every time. But MOV did a really good job of re-creating the English pipe blend experience with Apache. No doubt. Either that, or they just did an OK job of recreating Devil Dog! It's up to you on how you wanna look at it.
It's Latakia. (Do MOV's typos bother anyone else?
) Also, there's no Latakia in Vapenstein Paris, rest assured.
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I don't know how, but Highbrow Vapor's "tabac de Perique" has become my all-day vape. Have had it for 3 months and has somehow usurped all of my other liquids! Definitely get the whiskey barrel notes (very compatible with all of the bourbons and scotches I have sipped with this), very nutty, medium body, with some good (but light) funk. Also some rich fruit. VERY good stuff. Not really like the perique I've smoked in the past, but very, VERY addictive.
This is my first tobacco, and if others follow its footsteps, I will probably be finished with fruit and dessert flavors for good!
This is my first tobacco, and if others follow its footsteps, I will probably be finished with fruit and dessert flavors for good!
Rdsok, we're using pretty similar devices, except mines the small version of the IGO and using a 30 gauge, 1.1 ohm coil. We're probably tasting them pretty close to the same, just having some different perceptions. I was trying to think if I would recognise the cherry and vanilla without knowing about them, which is kind of futile since I can't take back what I already know, and trying to do that may be lessening the impact of those notes from my perception. Overall though my impression seems to be more tobacco heavy and even harmonious like your second JDS experience.
Nick, the relation of Apache to London and DD is why I didn't order Apache this time. After all, I already have a bottle of DD lol. I will try it next order though, and am interested in the subtle differences. Even if I don't notice any, I sure have no complaint about having a bottle of DD around. I really like DD a lot as an occaional vape, but will admit while I may respect DD, I enjoy these less aggressive NETs more. I'll always want on hand a bottle of DD or BGB, or the yet to try London or Apache, because when I crave that kick these more vapable juices won't do the trick. Even Vurley, which I like more than DD, won't supply the satisfaction when I crave an unsweetened, strong tobacco with no other motives.
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Nick, the relation of Apache to London and DD is why I didn't order Apache this time. After all, I already have a bottle of DD lol. I will try it next order though, and am interested in the subtle differences. Even if I don't notice any, I sure have no complaint about having a bottle of DD around. I really like DD a lot as an occaional vape, but will admit while I may respect DD, I enjoy these less aggressive NETs more. I'll always want on hand a bottle of DD or BGB, or the yet to try London or Apache, because when I crave that kick these more vapable juices won't do the trick. Even Vurley, which I like more than DD, won't supply the satisfaction when I crave an unsweetened, strong tobacco with no other motives.
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Nice one OTF. I haven't had tabac de perique. I had my first taste of HBV a few weeks back in French Honey Pipe. Nothing about it said tobacco to me though. All I got was nutty pine-o-kleen!
I can imagine the tabac de perique not being to close to the real thing, but it's great you've found your gateway NET. Now the fun really starts! 
If you want to try another perique, check out Natural Perique from GoodeJuice. It's a really good juice, as are all of their straight-up tobacco extractions. What other sorts of blends did you used to smoke?
Welcome, have a seat while we chant "one of us, one of us, gooble-gobble gooble-gobble!"
NETs may very well take over for fruits and desserts, it's a great category for those who enjoy tobacco. I still have a place for other vapes, but it's much less often and starting to prefer my fruits mixed with tobacco. I do have my first order from Highbrow placed, but only to try the Orange something-or-other and English Malt Toffee. Haven't heard many good things about their NETs, not to say I may not like them just that trying them hasn't been a high priority. Hope you enjoy checking out different NETs and hope you stick around.
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Thanks for your response, Nick Fantastic. I've always been in it for rough, dry, spicy tobaccos. My favorite until I quit ended up being the Tuskegee Airman by Cornell & Diehl (a VA, Prique, Turkish, and Latakia blend), going to mostly Perique or mostly Cavendish most of the time. Cigarette-wise, I ended up at American Spirit Blacks and the unfiltered Lucky Strikes as my daily smokes for 5 years. Nothing else satisfied my buds like these two blends.
I'd only tasted Halo tobacco before Highbrow, and none of Halo's blends did it for me. I guess I'm looking for something sweeter and a little bit more aromatic now, and Highbrow's Perique really did it for me. I'm going for GoodeJuice's Perique and Vita Bella. I hope I end up liking these, especially after an accelerated (hot water bath) steep.
Cheers!
I'd only tasted Halo tobacco before Highbrow, and none of Halo's blends did it for me. I guess I'm looking for something sweeter and a little bit more aromatic now, and Highbrow's Perique really did it for me. I'm going for GoodeJuice's Perique and Vita Bella. I hope I end up liking these, especially after an accelerated (hot water bath) steep.
Cheers!
Dumb question from moi - I tried Devil Dog and (a long story cut very short) because I passionately hate scotch couldn't manage it. So was that the perique in it, and what flavor is latakia - is that the pine? I always get the two confused. It's just for my educational curve as I prefer to stay away from the scotch/whiskey taste - just doesn't get along with me.
Hey Jerms! Aside from their Perique, I've tried Highbrow's Espresso, Dark Chocolate, Strawberry Lemonade, and Tiramisu. Personally, I would recommend everyone stay away from their Espresso flavor, as there is something acrid about the taste/smell, even after steeping. As for the Strawberry Lemonade and Tiramisu, very understated, and if you have a good nose or good taste buds, a great vape. Finally, the Dark Chocolate is absolutely amazing. I finished a 30ml in a couple of weeks! I usually go through 10 ml in about 1.5 weeks so this is saying something! Apart from the Perique, I will DEFINITELY be getting me some more of the Dark Chocolate.
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