Natural Tobaccos

[Nick Fantastic]

Dumb question from moi - I tried Devil Dog and (a long story cut very short) because I passionately hate scotch couldn't manage it. So was that the perique in it, and what flavor is latakia - is that the pine? I always get the two confused. It's just for my educational curve as I prefer to stay away from the scotch/whiskey taste - just doesn't get along with me.

Ya know, Hula, the Perique in Devil Dog is soooo baaaaarely there that I don't think you were getting much whiskey, per se. I don't get any at all. The Latakia pretty much rules the roost in Devil Dog. It is a very smoky, almost barbequed sort of flavor. Hope that helps.

Ps - I believe you have a PM.

 

[Jerms]

Dumb question from moi - I tried Devil Dog and (a long story cut very short) because I passionately hate scotch couldn't manage it. So was that the perique in it, and what flavor is latakia - is that the pine? I always get the two confused. It's just for my educational curve as I prefer to stay away from the scotch/whiskey taste - just doesn't get along with me.

That's definately a Q I'm not qualified to answer, but can comment a little. Perique I have experienced as a little (or a lot) funky and some citrus notes. Neither of which I equate with DD, so not sure the role it plays in that one. I don't get any whisky notes, but as little as I've dranks whiskey I wouldn't notice it unless it was obvious (and probably reminiscent to the cheap variety). Normally if a vape is being sold with alcohol flavor notes like Ahls Caribbean I avoid it. Latakia I'll be interested in hearing how it's described, only thing I know is just a few NETs I've had use it never as the only leaf.

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[Jerms]

Ya know, Hula, the Perique in Devil Dog is soooo baaaaarely there that I don't think you were getting much whiskey, per se. I don't get any at all. The Latakia pretty much rules the roost in Devil Dog. It is a very smoky, almost barbequed sort of flavor. Hope that helps.

Ps - I believe you have a PM.

And my wish for a Latakia description magically pops up right before I ask lol. Thanks Nick, wondered what gave the Smoky flavor.

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[Nick Fantastic]

That's definately a Q I'm not qualified to answer, but can comment a little. Perique I have experienced as a little (or a lot) funky and some citrus notes. Neither of which I equate with DD, so not sure the role it plays in that one. I don't get any whisky notes, but as little as I've dranks whiskey I wouldn't notice it unless it was obvious (and probably reminiscent to the cheap variety). Normally if a vape is being sold with alcohol flavor notes like Ahls Caribbean I avoid it. Latakia I'll be interested in hearing how it's described, only thing I know is just a few NETs I've had use it never as the only leaf.

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Good wording, J. I also get fermented funk, fruity, citrusy. I really wish there were more Perique options for us NET lovers. I do like gej's, but I'd like to try someone else's take on it. Maybe OnTheFidele's appearance here is an omen for me to try Highbrow's offering for a chance at redemption? Gah! I dunno. I'm kinda scared.

On Latakia - Latakia (tobacco) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia This was really helpful when I first started learning about the different curing methods of tobacco.

 

[OnTheFidele]

Yeah (Jerms), Perique has got a lot of funk. But good funk. You actually have to have had quite of bit of whiskey to appreciate how well this tobacco blends with the drink, and even then, I've found that only bourbon brings out its full potential thanks to its kick. That said, since Perique is so powerful, it ends up being a small flavor modifier to most blends. Hope this helps, Hulamoon.

As a sidenote, most people I know that exclusively smoke cigarettes can not identify with smoking pipes or cigars, except for the halo of amazing smell surrounding those who do.

 

[OnTheFidele]

I have to say, Nick Fantastic, that Highbrow's offering's funk is only minimal. Medium only for those who don't know what real funk is. Highbrow isn't really like true Perique in its essential balance. Sweetness, nuttiness, and savory dominate while funk and (especially) citrus are much lower on the scale. I was mostly commenting on the utter palatability of this blend. It just tastes amazing!

Hope this helps,
Abe

Good wording, J. I also get fermented funk, fruity, citrusy. I really wish there were more Perique options for us NET lovers. I do like gej's, but I'd like to try someone else's take on it. Maybe OnTheFidele's appearance here is an omen for me to try Highbrow's offering for a chance at redemption? Gah! I dunno. I'm kinda scared.

On Latakia - Latakia (tobacco) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia This was really helpful when I first started learning about the different curing methods of tobacco.

 

[Jerms]

OTF, I have been a fan of the funk since I first got into NETs. I don't look for it as much as I used to, but that sweaty, gnarly flavor people sometimes refer to as old sock or stinky hippy, is another flavor that when I'm in the mood I absolutely love. And the funkier the better.

Natural Perique from GeJ get's pretty funky, but it takes a long time for that to happen. It's subtle at first and just grows from there. Months old NP is funk perfection for me, strong but not overwhelming. Ramaglia's Toscano Gold from The Plume Room got really funky too. That one also took a bit of time but once it got going it eventually turned into one of the strongest funk vapes I've had. No idea the tobaccos used in that one though.

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[Nick Fantastic]

Yeah, OTF. The Halo's ain't gonna cut it. Though I owe my life to Halo Tribeca for being my first juice, having never touched another cigarette since. Natural Perique and Vita Bella are good choices to get started. You'll get to compare the perique to Highbrow's, and you also have a well-liked sweet/mild vape in Vita Bella. If VB is not to your liking after the accelerated steep, give it another.... 2 or 3 months! That juice changed more than any other juice I've had since I started vaping. It goes through many phases.

If you like sweeter aromatics - be sure to give the Mountain Oak Vapor's new Gold Label NET's a try. They've carved out a nice niche for themselves, and they have a nice variety of blends and flavors. Apache might be a nice vape for you to reminisce on your old Tuskegee Airman, depending on how much Latakia you like

Thanks for your response, Nick Fantastic. I've always been in it for rough, dry, spicy tobaccos. My favorite until I quit ended up being the Tuskegee Airman by Cornell & Diehl (a VA, Prique, Turkish, and Latakia blend), going to mostly Perique or mostly Cavendish most of the time. Cigarette-wise, I ended up at American Spirit Blacks and the unfiltered Lucky Strikes as my daily smokes for 5 years. Nothing else satisfied my buds like these two blends.

I'd only tasted Halo tobacco before Highbrow, and none of Halo's blends did it for me. I guess I'm looking for something sweeter and a little bit more aromatic now, and Highbrow's Perique really did it for me. I'm going for GoodeJuice's Perique and Vita Bella. I hope I end up liking these, especially after an accelerated (hot water bath) steep.

Cheers!

 

[Nick Fantastic]

OTF, I have been a fan of the funk since I first got into NETs. I don't look for it as much as I used to, but that sweaty, gnarly flavor people sometimes refer to as old sock or stinky hippy, is another flavor that when I'm in the mood I absolutely love. And the funkier the better.

Natural Perique from GeJ get's pretty funky, but it takes a long time for that to happen. It's subtle at first and just grows from there. Months old NP is funk perfection for me, strong but not overwhelming. Ramaglia's Toscano Gold from The Plume Room got really funky too. That one also took a bit of time but once it got going it eventually turned into one of the strongest funk vapes I've had. No idea the tobaccos used in that one though.

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[OnTheFidele]

Jerms/Nick Fantastic, wow, you guys have been amazingly helpful and probably saved me over $100 in juice (I tend to buy only in 30ml bottles. I'll let you know how the GoodeJuice, Plume Room, and the Mountain Oak juices go (although 2-3 months, as you know, is a pretty long time for me...)! It's quite refreshing for me to find ECF members that appreciate good funk after 4 months of reading about mostly fruit flavors.

Thanks guys,
Abe

 

[OnTheFidele]

Just ordered the Vita Bella and Natural Perique. As I'm a conservative buyer (and only have 30 ml of juice left), this is all I will order for a while. Thanks againto Jerms and Nick Fantastic!

 

[Jerms]

Jerms/Nick Fantastic, wow, you guys have been amazingly helpful and probably saved me over $100 in juice (I tend to buy only in 30ml bottles. I'll let you know how the GoodeJuice, Plume Room, and the Mountain Oak juices go (although 2-3 months, as you know, is a pretty long time for me...)! It's quite refreshing for me to find ECF members that appreciate good funk after 4 months of reading about mostly fruit flavors.

Thanks guys,
Abe

Enjoy the journey. This thread has been a huge guide for me to find juices that really make the hobby for me. I read from the beginning when I lurked instead of posted, but you could go to about any page starting from the beginning to see some great recomendations. Even the first ones discussed are still considered some of the cream of the crop, even though the offerings from vendors has really grown since then.

Don't be put off by long steeping suggestions. It's mainly to say that if you don't like a juice put it away and it may have morphed later. Many of the big changers like Vita Bella and GJ4 I also really enjoy early, but get to experience them on a different level if they last long enough.

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[Nick Fantastic]

You got it, Abe. 'Nick' or 'Fantastic' or 'NF' is fine if you wanna save your fingers a bit. We abbreviate like crazy over here.

I hope these juices work out for ya.

G'night y'all's. One more before bed - this one's a little more region-relative to the Perique. Good ol' New Orleans Funk.... Stankin'!

 

[OnTheFidele]

Thanks, Jerms, vaping has definitely become a hobby of mine also, and has earned a room in my "bug-out bag" BIGTIME. As for the steeping, many of my juices have definitely become more enjoyable after just letting it sit and evolve, but the good juices don't have any time to get any better!

Nick, once again thanks for your help and it's good night for me too.

Cheers guys,
Abe

 

[Thucydides]

Some of the descriptions of vape liquids on here sound like wine tasting. Has me howling. Slight subtle aroma of peach that sort of rolls out of your mouth evenly, but not too heavily, with contrasting undertones of apple, which blends together in exquisit delight. The distinction between the flavors, coupled with the not overpowering, but not underwhelming hint of Virginia tobacco creates an absolutely fantastic Sunday evening vape.

Wine tasting gets a bad rap, with derisive terms like "cork sniffing" and all. You have movies like Sideways that show wine enthusiasts as self-satisfied, pretentious snobs who use their taste in wine to mask the fact that they're coarse, unmannered buffoons. As with most movie portrayals of stereotypes, it's not really like that in real life.

If you really love wine, then you want to share it the same way that you might want someone to try a piece of a really great steak that you're eating, and you're happy for anyone to enjoy it on any level at all. And just because you love a great steak doesn't mean that you don't also love a tasty burger with fries -- who eats steak at every meal?

The idea behind trying to describe something you enjoy as best you can is to help other people enjoy it. It's not like you sit around drinking wine saying "love how those contrasting undertones of apple blend with the subtle aroma of peach" after every sip. So it goes with a juice. As with everything enjoyable, the experience of enjoyment is always different from the description of what's enjoyable about it. The idea behind the description is to try to widen the entry way through which others can enter into the same enjoyment, not to narrow it.

There's something wonderfully egalitarian about being able to read a skilled taster's account of something, and then pick up that something and recognize some of the what the skilled taster describes.

 

[TKirk2]

I need some input from anyone who has experience with Highbrow exotic, cigar, or RY4. I am slowly working my way through NETs hoping to find a few to settle on and currently legend and huntsman are on my short list. My next batch will be Ahlusions BGB and a few others.
I decided to drip these highbrow flavors last night after about two and a half weeks steep, the first 48 caps off and a generous daily shake. Unfortunately the distinction between these flavors was almost non existent, instead all I seemed to get was a strong floral grass flavor that I can only assume is the base. Let me back off of that expression for a second and say that BEHIND that frontal assault I could faintly taste what I think is intended to be the character of these juices. The question is am I being impatient and do these simply need to go back in the drawer for a month or does the base flavor, which I find generally unpleasant, stay up front regardless of steep time.

 

[rdsok]

Oh, I wasn't knocking them RD.. I was knocking you. .

Then that is a different story... knocking me is expected and even encouraged...

Nice one OTF. I haven't had tabac de perique. I had my first taste of HBV a few weeks back in French Honey Pipe. Nothing about it said tobacco to me though. All I got was nutty pine-o-kleen! I can imagine the tabac de perique not being to close to the real thing, but it's great you've found your gateway NET. Now the fun really starts!

If you want to try another perique, check out Natural Perique from GoodeJuice. It's a really good juice, as are all of their straight-up tobacco extractions. What other sorts of blends did you used to smoke?

I'm another lover of HBV's tabac de Perique... a very interesting juice with a funk unlike anything else I've vaped. I can only guess that the tobacco was fermented longer than others. GeJ's Natural Perique is also a very nice vape but it doesn't have near the amount of funk... it's almost a completely different type.

Just ordered the Vita Bella and Natural Perique. As I'm a conservative buyer (and only have 30 ml of juice left), this is all I will order for a while. Thanks againto Jerms and Nick Fantastic!

I learned on HBV how much steeping makes a difference... For that reason, on juices that I vape often... I will usually get 2x-3x what I normally vape just so the extra's do have time to steep. Then when I finish off one bottle, I can re-order another well before I need it so it then goes into the steep box.

 

[rdsok]

deleted... forum double posted....

 

[rdsok]

It's Latakia. (Do MOV's typos bother anyone else? ) Also, there's no Latakia in Vapenstein Paris, rest assured.

Good catch.... I did copy MOV's spelling even just so I was getting it right Can't win them all I guess.

 

[jamesfarrell]

I know nothing about wine, don't drink it. Don't like alcohol in general. I don't get it. I tried cognac once and was like what the hell, this is just whiskey. I don't drink enough to tell the subtle differences. But as one is involved in something and acquires new knowledge, you build new neural nets in the brain and new synaptic connections and after a while can discern the subtle differences in flavor. Be it vaping or wine tasting. I'm just not at that point yet. I am also not completely off of analogs, so I haven't got my olfactory senses back as of yet. I'm hoping when I do finally transition, I can taste and smell these subtle variances you people are talking about.