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Thanks Mr.Mann. It's strange how dilute the MVJ concentrates are. If the recommended flavoring is "up to 25%", one 10ml bottle of flavoring will only make a max of about 40ml. At $10 per 10ml, this is not very cost effective at all. Maybe FlavourArt is where I shoudl start. At a max of $5 per 10ml of very concentrated flavoring, this manufacturer may be my best bet.

You may be correct. Personally, I wouldn't DIY any NETs (though I kind of did once) unless I was really bored (and I don't get bored!) Some do it well and others do it, but for me, the trial and error is just not my cup of tea or bottle of juice. I would suggest--if you want such specific tobaccos--doing what you're thinking and stick to ATs and maybe add a touch of TA.
 

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Jerms, I have been experimenting with the IGO-S thanks to you, and although I have no experience with atomizers (only cartos, an Eternity, and a Terminator-C), this tiny little dripper is a champion. By far the most flavor and vapor I have ever experienced, and on a Twist at that! Incredibly simple to recoil (for me about 2 minutes), efficient design, great flavor, good looks.

Awesome glad you dig the S! I love that little dripper. It's the first rba set-up for me that beats any disposable atty I've had for flavor, and at $14 it's a steal compared to more expensive disposables that don't perform nearly as well (I'm looking at you HH.357). I like that I can use just a little piece of silica and the holes in the posts for quick set-up. You probably know this, but be careful using it on your Twists, make sure there's no shorts. Also go for 1.5+ ohms or even better 1.8+ to extend the life of the Twist. I killed a fairly new one after running a 1.1 ohm for a couple days. Sure looks nice on an eGo though, same diameter.

Like Mann said, very little out there yet for diy NET. FlavorArt is a pretty respectable company if you don't mind going artificial with your tobaccos. You could do stuff like using a FlavorArt cigar flavor and add some MVJ NET extract like My Hero, which uses the same leaf many cigars use as the wrapper, to make your own NET/arti-bacco hybrids.

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Thanks Mr.Mann and Jerms, great input. Its a shame there aren't very many good actually concentrated NETs, but I will have to make due. Reading about FlavourArt, it seems like a lot of their flavors are a combo of natural and artificial flavors, determined by their "flavor artists". The thing is, I've calculated about $90 total for 645ml 18mg base and a BUNCH of FA flavors. Say what you will, but that amounts to $1.4 per 10ml bottle. That is incredibly cheap, especially for those of you who support brick and mortar websites. Say again, this is $4.19 per 30ml!
 
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I'm looking for basic NET flavorings (burley, latakia, turkish, perique, etc.). The thing is, it's nearly impossible to distinguish an NET from an AT, besides tobacco Absolute!

I feel certain that many regulars on this thread would disagree on that point. A big part of why we follow and participate in this thread in the first place is because we can distinguish natural tobacco flavorings from synthetic, lab-based tobacco flavorings. For many of us, the difference in taste between an NET and an AT is screamingly obvious---like night and day.

How is the FlavourArt line? They seem to have a great reputation and have some very forgiving prices. As I'm a traveling student, I am not willing to extract my own flavors, but paying less than $1.5 for 10ml is extremely appealing to me. I can just carry a 0.5L bottle of juice to last me months!

Some DIYers prefer the EcigExpress/VapingZone lines of super-concentrated Chinese tobacco flavorings, while others like the Hangsen line, and still others cozy up to the Italian FlavourArt tobaccos. In my earlier days of DIYing synthetic tobaccos, it came down to cherry-picking which source I preferred for a specific tobacco flavor. And yes, FA is cheap. At EcigExpress, 10ml bottles of FA tobacco flavorings are $4.99, while Liberty-Flights is even cheaper, at $3.29/10ml (plus shipping, of course).

I would caution you, however, that the FA synthetic tobacco flavorings may not be as concentrated as the recommended mixing percentages on the FA site would suggest. To me, FA tobaccos mixed at 2-5% are generally way too weak. As much as 10-15% might be required to achieve a satisfactory level of tobacco flavor. That's still fairly cheap for DIY juice, assuming that you buy the other liquid ingredients in large quantity---PG/VG/liquid nic. Liquid Nicotine especially gets considerably more expensive in smaller quantities at lower concentrations. For instance, as a 24mg nic vaper, I always buy liquid nic from WizardLabs---it's far and away the cheapest, but it's right up there with the best. However, I buy 250ml bottles at 100mg/ml to keep my cost down. (If you vape low-nic, say 6mg, the cost differential doesn't have as much impact, of course).

I can just carry a 0.5L bottle of juice to last me months!

Abe, that will work assuming that you're a one-flavor vaper---an ADV (all-day-vape) kind of guy. Some people are. I'm not. I vape at least 10-20 different juice flavors every day---like a bumblebee flitting from flower to flower.

It's strange how dilute the MVJ concentrates are. If the recommended flavoring is "up to 25%", one 10ml bottle of flavoring will only make a max of about 40ml. At $10 per 10ml, this is not very cost effective at all.

It's all relative. Yes, paying $7.50 just for the flavoring alone used to make a 30ml bottle of DIY juice does seem expensive. (That's one reason for making your own NET---it's much cheaper.) By contrast, using EcigExpress' Tobacco Express line of synthetic super-concentrates at a 4% mix ratio makes a 30ml bottle of DIY juice for a flavoring cost of about 50¢. Cost for FA synthetic flavorings mixed at 10% will run about $1.50. The other ingredients for that 30ml bottle (PG/VG/liquid nic) will require additional costs from $1 to $4, depending.

So, using FlavourArt flavorings, that half-liter of DIY juice you mentioned will cost---all told---from $40 to $70. Pretty cheap for 17 bottles of 30ml each.

All that has one critical caveat: Will you like the juice enough to vape it? For you, the answer might be yes. For me and many other posters on this thread, the answer would probably be no, not even if you held a gun to my head. Not only can we tell the difference between an NET and a synthetic, lab-based tobacco flavor, but we like a large percentage of the NETs available, and we don't like most of the ATs for sale everywhere.

No matter how cheap it may be, DIY juice is no bargain if you won't vape it. Conversely, MyVapeJuice's NET flavorings are cost effective if you find them delicious.

Also, keep in mind that you're likely to go through a lot of experimenting in DIY before you settle on a single-flavor juice that you love. Multi-flavor DIY juices will involve much more trial-and-error, with the likelihood that quite a bit will get tossed down the drain. In addition, your palate may change over time. Will you make it through half a liter of juice without getting bored with or even sick of that one flavor? I don't know about you, but my palate is notoriously fickle.

Maybe FlavourArt is where I should start. At a max of $5 per 10ml of very concentrated flavoring, this manufacturer may be my best bet.

Perhaps you'll love FA tobacco flavors, and maybe your DIY efforts will succeed right off the bat. I sincerely wish you the best of luck, Abe. It's just that with spending less as your primary goal, strategies often look better on paper than when they're converted into real life. Don't let my curmudgeonly cautions deter you, however. Just be forewarned that the road is bumpier than it appears.
 

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Whahoo got my IGO-L running well with some help from the RA section. It's awesome the response here at ECF when a person needs some help setting up something. I still prefer my IGO-S, but the L will be in the rotation.

Gave Jiggy from HHV a quick vape. It's a juice I'll have to be in the mood for, which I wasn't at the time. Very floral, though I did get that gummy bear flavor I've heard described. Very unique offering in the NET world, but 15ml of it will last me a LONG time.

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Opened up some Ahlusion Peach Criminal after 3.5 months of steeping. My initial impressions is that it's a lovely blend of the nutty SC tobacco flavor and a lovely peach taste. So far I'm enjoying, especially after my disappointed with HHV's Georgia Peach Tobacco (which is a TINO, but I had higher expectations for it after several fantastic HHV juices). I can see why some people think that Peach Criminal has too much going on, but so far I'm enjoying all that it has going on. I'm excited to see how it goes for the rest of the bottle.
 

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Opened up some Ahlusion Peach Criminal after 3.5 months of steeping. My initial impressions is that it's a lovely blend of the nutty SC tobacco flavor and a lovely peach taste. So far I'm enjoying, especially after my disappointed with HHV's Georgia Peach Tobacco (which is a TINO, but I had higher expectations for it after several fantastic HHV juices). I can see why some people think that Peach Criminal has too much going on, but so far I'm enjoying all that it has going on. I'm excited to see how it goes for the rest of the bottle.

I haven't had Peachy Criminal yet, but her Smooth brother is one of my favorite sweet tobaccos. Be sure to try Sweet Georgia Peach if you haven't yet RP. It's an aro so no steep needed. Was love at first vape for me, I've never instantly loved a juice as much as SGP. Weddings next week.

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I haven't had Peachy Criminal yet, but her Smooth brother is one of my favorite sweet tobaccos. Be sure to try Sweet Georgia Peach if you haven't yet RP. It's an aro so no steep needed. Was love at first vape for me, I've never instantly loved a juice as much as SGP. Weddings next week.

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TCP just sent me a sample of SGP and, well, I can't say...LOL. But, I don't really remember PC but I need to revisit that one. I first had it back in the day when I didn't realize or trust the efficacy of steeping.

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Hey Jerms, What did you think of that wick in the Igo-L? I'm not sure about the whole new wick you can only replace and not build yourself. Thinking of replacing it with my own, without the wrap at the end.


Edit : Senior moment. Actually it's not an Igo-L it's an Octopus. My Igo-L arrived without a coil, just the doins' to make one.
 
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I haven't had Peachy Criminal yet, but her Smooth brother is one of my favorite sweet tobaccos. Be sure to try Sweet Georgia Peach if you haven't yet RP. It's an aro so no steep needed. Was love at first vape for me, I've never instantly loved a juice as much as SGP. Weddings next week.

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SGP is definitely on my Ahlusion most-wanted listed...as are most of aromatics that I haven't tried. Ha! I have little doubt that I'll love SGP...and also Maple Burley...Smokin' Cherries...etc.
 
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SGP is definitely on my Ahlusion most-wanted listed...as is most of aromatics that I haven't tried. Ha! I have little doubt that I'll love SGP...and also Maple Burley...Smokin' Cherries...etc.

Don't know if you read this, but I think 15 mL bottles are the best option for the fruit/aros since the natural--when I say "natural," I do mean NATURAL--flavors seem to dissipate, though not disappear, after awhile. These are the best damn fresh juices I've tasted, but they steep backwards IMO. LOL
 

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Hey Jerms, What did you think of that wick in the Igo-L? I'm not sure about the whole new wick you can only replace and not build yourself. Thinking of replacing it with my own, without the wrap at the end.


Edit : Senior moment. Actually it's not an Igo-L it's an Octopus. My Igo-L arrived without a coil, just the doins' to make one.

Lol, yeah I was pretty confused with that first paragraph. For the Octopus (aka Smoktech RDA) I'm still using the coil it comes with, but gonna rebuild it when needed instead of buying pre-wrapped wick and coil. I do like how it comes, the regular twisted silica is holding up well, partly I think because NR wire is used for the outside coils, but I prefer the taste of the German silica and messing with NR wire is more than I want to do. Either way the RDA is a decent dripper but it won't get used nearly as much by me as the IGOs. Now if they come out with a new Smoktech RDA with the same design but smaller and a couple improvements, THEN it might grab my attention more.

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Finished my bottle of HHV Serendipity and it was very tasty. I used a syringe to get every single drop out of the bottle.:D

Pretty good isn't it? Highly vapable. I'm getting about the same as I've heard from others, mild tobacco with coffee and chocolate notes. Seems a little richer than Legend, but for now I like the flavor of that one a little better. I have been vaping Legend longer though, still need a chance to comfy up to Serendipity more.

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TCP just sent me a sample of SGP and, well, I can't say...LOL. But, I don't really remember PC but I need to revisit that one. I first had it back in the day when I didn't realize or trust the efficacy of steeping.

Thanks, TCP!

My Pleasure! I'm rockin a combo of SGP and Vurley in my RSST today and it is damn good. Vanilla peach tobacco Ahlusion style. Nuff said!


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