Natural Tobaccos

[Mr.Mann]

QnJ NETs seem to be higher in sugar content, not necessarily particulates? May gunk some atties and not others? Like I told Bill, I got a strong, dark, burnt taste pretty quickly in my disposable atties. They cleaned up from that fairly easily so I'm guessing it was more a sugar thing than particulates. It's cool to be able to revisit juices I had set aside due to equipment.

I think juices with high sugar content are fine as long as the coil is kept wet and ya re-drip early. As long as they don't get burned on they're usually fine. I also tended to blow out atties more often with sweeter juice so it doesn't build up. Dirty NETs with high particulates tend to build up no matter how wet you keep the coil. Red Pirate would have drove me crazy on a regular atty.

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Jerms, you figured it out for us! .Mann is a dripper so he keeps his atties well wetted whereas I only drip to test flavors and try to vape most of the juice before blowing out and trying the next flavor.

You all make so much damn sense, sometimes. Seriously though, I am floored at the solidness of the logic presented--it really makes sense.

 

[johni]

You all make so much damn sense, sometimes. Seriously though, I am floored at the solidness of the logic presented--it really makes sense.

Isn't it amazing how much we have learned (or at least tried to) throughout this thread. When someone new comes in and says they've read it all, I immediately think "Man, he read all that dumb stuff I posted". It's a kick when someone posts something of a revelation or something quite profound to go back and read their first posts. Anybody that thinks there is snobbery here obviously never read our early posts!

 

[Mr.Mann]

Isn't it amazing how much we have learned (or at least tried to) throughout this thread. When someone new comes in and says they've read it all, I immediately think "Man, he read all that dumb stuff I posted". It's a kick when someone posts something of a revelation or something quite profound to go back and read their first posts. Anybody that thinks there is snobbery here obviously never read our early posts!

Was just thinking the same thing. For real.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Anybody that thinks there is snobbery here obviously never read our early posts!

And on this note...

I have read some pretty interesting things around the forum about "those" people that speak about eliquid like, uhh, fine wine?! Man, it's crazy. From what I can glean from it, the eliquid forum is thought to be for a series of thumbs up or thumbs down posts. Really?

 

[johni]

And on this note...

I have read some pretty interesting things around the forum about "those" people that speak about eliquid like, uhh, fine wine?! Man, it's crazy. From what I can glean from it, the eliquid forum is thought to be for a series of thumbs up or thumbs down posts. Really?

I'm no philosopher, but I am old enough and "experienced" enough to have figured out that the more you learn, the more you figure out that you don't know. A lot of people, particularly younger, haven't figured that out yet. I'll probably catch heck for this but some thirst for knowledge more than others.

 

[Mr.Mann]

I'm no philosopher, but I am old enough and "experienced" enough to have figured out that the more you learn, the more you figure out that you don't know. A lot of people, particularly younger, haven't figured that out yet. I'll probably catch heck for this but some thirst for knowledge more than others.

Man, all that info on tea tea ("Chai tea") the other day made it possible for me to understand what was up so that now I can know what is going down! Understanding. Yeah, understanding makes it possible to appreciate and enjoy.

I read someone's post about MVJ being single leaf extractions and it displayed their (MVJ's) whole set-up in a new light for me. Will I like it? Dunno. Will I be able to appreciate it now for what it is supposed to be? There's a lot better chance of that, now.

 

[johni]

Man, all that info on tea tea ("Chai tea") the other day made it possible for me to understand what was up so that now I can know what is going down! Understanding. Yeah, understanding makes it possible to appreciate and enjoy.

I read someone's post about MVJ being single leaf extractions and it displayed their (MVJ's) whole set-up in a new light for me. Will I like it? Dunno. Will I be able to appreciate it now for what it is supposed to be? There's a lot better chance of that, now.

I read your thread about taste subjectivity and it contained some very thoughtful posts. I won't begin to argue that point but an objective, informed opinion of how something tastes is definitely of value and leads to understanding.

 

[Mr.Mann]

I read your thread about taste subjectivity and it contained some very thoughtful posts. I won't begin to argue that point but an objective, informed opinion of how something tastes is definitely of value and leads to understanding.

Thanks. I had the mods close it before it got out of hand. It was like a flash conversation.

While my stance in that thread was not necessarily what I believe (I needed to take a strong position to get the ball rollin'), the major point--the one I do believe in--is that some of this liquid tasting is tricky; the process of wrapping one's brain around it is not an exercise in futility, but more like, I dunno, exercising. I think some (not to be callous) would rather be passive and sedentary about their hobby. I can understand that, but I can't understand casting aspersions on others who may love delving deeper into that which they spend time and money.

 

[jfango]

I'm no philosopher, but I am old enough and "experienced" enough to have figured out that the more you learn, the more you figure out that you don't know. A lot of people, particularly younger, haven't figured that out yet. I'll probably catch heck for this but some thirst for knowledge more than others.

Amen to that. I haven't had the chance to read a lot of this thread yet but plan to. The subject of "taste" and tasting ability and preferences has been on my mind a lot ever since I started the vaping thing. I also want to spend some time searching around for any available info concerning how much scientists really know about how the taste buds work and send signals to the brain and all that. Interesting stuff.

 

[johni]

Thanks. I had the mods close it before it got out of hand. It was like a flash conversation.

While my stance in that thread was not necessarily what I believe (I needed to take a strong position to get the ball rollin'), the major point--the one I do believe in--is that some of this liquid tasting is tricky; the process of wrapping one's brain around it is not an exercise in futility, but more like, I dunno, exercising. I think some (not to be callous) would rather be passive and sedentary about their hobby. I can understand that, but I can't understand casting aspersions on others who may love delving deeper into that which they spend time and money.

Ignore the detractors, you are the Man(n)!!!

 

[johni]

Amen to that. I haven't had the chance to read a lot of this thread yet but plan to. The subject of "taste" and tasting ability and preferences has been on my mind a lot ever since I started the vaping thing. I also want to spend some time searching around for any available info concerning how much scientists really know about how the taste buds work and send signals to the brain and all that. Interesting stuff.

Welcome neighbor! Carbon Thief posted some pretty good info on taste buds way back in this thread. You can probably find it with a thread search.

 

[dale1962]

Mann or anyone have u tried any of the MOV,MVJ NET'S your opinions...wanting to get some never tried that are clean(clearo-carto friendly)TIA

 

[Mr.Mann]

Mann or anyone have u tried any of the MOV,MVJ NET'S your opinions...wanting to get some never tried that are clean(clearo-carto friendly)TIA

Yes. I don't have time to say much (this second), but I think you should try them. If you do, make sure Apache is in the order. Others will likely tell you a few different ones as well, but try Apache.

 

[jfango]

Welcome neighbor! Carbon Thief posted some pretty good info on taste buds way back in this thread. You can probably find it with a thread search.

Thanks, I lived in Columbia for about 30 years, originally from Sedalia. I have a couple brothers living there and a sister too. I looked at your profile, you say you're a remodeler. I was a carpenter for most of my life, but had a bad motorcycle accident back in '05, been in mfg. ever since. I worked for Kliethermes for a long time in Columbia. I must admit I don't miss making all that sawdust, my new job is much cleaner! Now I need a shower BEFORE I go to work, not afterwards!

 

[Mr.Mann]

Mann or anyone have u tried any of the MOV,MVJ NET'S your opinions...wanting to get some never tried that are clean(clearo-carto friendly)TIA

Dale, from what I remember of Apache, it tasted like Devil Dog! without the Burley, but it acted like Blue Grass Burley with some Latakia. That may seem weird, but the maker of DD and BGB felt the same why when I let him try it. It's really like those juices, but it isn't quite as aggressive as those (though it is the most aggressive from MOV I think). If you almost dug those Ahlusion offerings, or totally did, I would strongly recommend Apache. Hell, even if you did't like those, for you, I would recommend Apache.

As for the MOV juices, I really can't say because I think the recipe, or the amount of extract changed since then. Even if it didn't, I didn't spend enough time with them. That was during a juice purge stage.

 

[dale1962]

Dale, from what I remember of Apache, it tasted like Devil Dog! without the Burley, but it acted like Blue Grass Burley with some Latakia. That may seem weird, but the maker of DD and BGB felt the same why when I let him try it. It's really like those juices, but it isn't quite as aggressive as those (though it is the most aggressive from MOV I think). If you almost dug those Ahlusion offerings, or totally did, I would strongly recommend Apache. Hell, even if you did't like those, for you, I would recommend Apache.

As for the MOV juices, I really can't say because I think the recipe, or the amount of extract changed since then. Even if it didn't, I didn't spend enough time with them. That was during a juice purge stage.

I loved them samples DD,BGB but as I've said before got mostly DC Cartos and clearos in arsenal still.But do really like dripping those 2..thanks for your time and input.

 

[Mr.Mann]

I loved them samples DD,BGB but as I've said before got mostly DC Cartos and clearos in arsenal still.But do really like dripping those 2..thanks for your time and input.

No problemo. I had company that was leaving and me posting the first response was more of a way of reminding myself to come back to it later.

pssst...I can't wait for Eric to tell me when on those other juices. LOL

 

[billherbst]

Dale, from what I remember of Apache, it tasted like Devil Dog! without the Burley, but it acted like Blue Grass Burley with some Latakia. That may seem weird, but the maker of DD and BGB felt the same why when I let him try it. It's really like those juices, but it isn't quite as aggressive as those (though it is the most aggressive from MOV I think). If you almost dug those Ahlusion offerings, or totally did, I would strongly recommend Apache. Hell, even if you did't like those, for you, I would recommend Apache.

As for the MOV juices, I really can't say because I think the recipe, or the amount of extract changed since then. Even if it didn't, I didn't spend enough time with them. That was during a juice purge stage.

MrM,

I agree with your post, and I'll add a bit more for Dale.

To me, MOV Apache is---as you stated---sort of midway between Ahlusion Devil Dog and Blue Grass Burley, but not as aggressive as DD, and not as boldly flavorful as BGB. It's not restrained, but somewhat less intense than either DD or BGB. I'd add a second resemblance to the want2vape Vapenstein blends London and Louisville, with a similar midway feeling between those two.

That's what I love about Apache. It has elements of all those superlative juices and combines them nicely. That's great for me, because---as much as I admire DD, BGB, London, and Louisville---I don't actually like them as solitary vapes. They're all a bit much for my palate. Apache reminds me of all of them, but tones down the intensity and impact, bringing the juice into my comfort/pleasure zone.

I'm not a big fan of Pendragon (either the first or kicked-up second version), but I do like Sunday Morning and Southern Gentleman, which I Frankenjuice, adding more coffee to SM and some caramel to SG.

MyVapeJuice's NETs are, for me, all over the map. (I don't buy the juice versions, by the way, just the extracts for DIY. It's a bit cheaper, and I prefer to make my own custom blends.) As is the case with most NET vendors, Diane's line of tobacco extracts are more similar than different, and they all share a characteristic "signature" (meaning that MVJ extracts don't taste like MOV extracts, which don't taste like GoodEJuice or Heather's, etc.). Also, MVJ extracts all seem to have a certain "raw" quality. They're not nearly as "refined," sophisticated, or multi-dimensional as Ahlusion NETs, but I like that simpler rawness.

Of the four MVJ extracts I've got, I like My Hero and Wicked Wench a lot, but Rogue and Savage not nearly as much. I just ordered some Country Squire extract, so we'll see about that one.

I think it's wonderful that Diane is offering for sale her many single-leaf extractions. No one else does that.

 

[dale1962]

No problemo. I had company that was leaving and me posting the first response was more of a way of reminding myself to come back to it later.

pssst...I can't wait for Eric to tell me when on those other juices. LOL

Funny your wanting,waiting higher mg and my wife which loves his sumatra wants and waiting on lower mg.If I don't here from him soon I'm probably going to get 2 bottles one 24mg and one 10mg and mix them for her to get close to her 18mg.Only had a sample of Dover before but was definately unique.Phoenix I liked alot too!

 

[dale1962]

MrM,

I agree with your post, and I'll add a bit more for Dale.

To me, MOV Apache is---as you stated---sort of midway between Ahlusion Devil Dog and Blue Grass Burley, but not as aggressive as DD, and not as boldly flavorful as BGB. It's not restrained, but somewhat less intense than either DD or BGB. I'd add a second resemblance to the want2vape Vapenstein blends London and Louisville, with a similar midway feeling between those two.

That's what I love about Apache. It has elements of all those superlative juices and combines them nicely. That's great for me, because---as much as I admire DD, BGB, London, and Louisville---I don't actually like them as solitary vapes. They're all a bit much for my palate. Apache reminds me of all of them, but tones down the intensity and impact, bringing the juice into my comfort/pleasure zone.

I'm not a big fan of Pendragon (either the first or kicked-up second version), but I do like Sunday Morning and Southern Gentleman, which I Frankenjuice, adding more coffee to SM and some caramel to SG.

MyVapeJuice's NETs are, for me, all over the map. (I don't buy the juice versions, by the way, just the extracts for DIY. It's a bit cheaper, and I prefer to make my own custom blends.) As is the case with most NET vendors, Diane's line of tobacco extracts are more similar than different, and they all share a characteristic "signature" (meaning that MVJ extracts don't taste like MOV extracts, which don't taste like GoodEJuice or Heather's, etc.). Also, MVJ extracts all seem to have a certain "raw" quality. They're not nearly as "refined," sophisticated, or multi-dimensional as Ahlusion NETs, but I like that simpler rawness.

Of the four MVJ extracts I've got, I like My Hero and Wicked Wench a lot, but Rogue and Savage not nearly as much. I just ordered some Country Squire extract, so we'll see about that one.

I think it's wonderful that Diane is offering for sale her many single-leaf extractions. No one else does that.

Billherbst thanks so much for your input...Do u have any problems with MOV,MVJ NETs in clearos-cartos?How long do u steep them?Thanks again,Dale