Paris is even shorting my brain as is evident by this post because I didn't finish the last sentence. I must have taken a vape of Paris and it shorted my brain.
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Exciting times! I got vape mail today. I was really hoping the Want2Vape order was the parcel sitting at the post office as it was the first order I had put in. However, it is the Vapist Valour order that has arrived. I am excited about this order because:
1) There are 3 NET juices in the order and these juices are not well known or discussed in the forum (Scarf-ace has ordered them and put a review).
2) It's e-liquid from the UK and I've never had e-liquid from the UK.
I have three NETS and 3 NON Nets, all tobacco flavour and some bold and strong supposedly. I have to go to work in 10 minutes so I won't have much time for initial impressions but in the next few days I will give an initial impression review my best shot.
1) There are 3 NET juices in the order and these juices are not well known or discussed in the forum (Scarf-ace has ordered them and put a review).
2) It's e-liquid from the UK and I've never had e-liquid from the UK.
I have three NETS and 3 NON Nets, all tobacco flavour and some bold and strong supposedly. I have to go to work in 10 minutes so I won't have much time for initial impressions but in the next few days I will give an initial impression review my best shot.
Paris - Want2Vape and other gunky juices.
The solution appears to be SS Mesh Wicks. SS Mesh wicks can be dry burned. I am not so fond of dry burning silica. I learnt that the hard way when I first tried to burn off Paris residue which left the silica in a brownish hardened state.
Another solution is ceramic. I have an AVA atomizer which I paid $49 for about a year ago or longer. These solid stainless units are so robust that the best way to clean them is to boil the atomizer and then stick it in the oven for 25 minutes at 180 degrees.
I am finding that, so far, Paris (being the gunkiest liquid out there arguably) is working really well in the AVA. It is also doing a good job in a Phoenix with a SS Mesh wick. I am still not loving it like I was before but I am pretty sure the problem is my taste buds. I've been vaping a lot lately with all the new liquids I've acquired recently and my taste buds are not picking up the complexities and subtle nuances of liquids.
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First impressions - the NETS need to steep longer. More on this later
The solution appears to be SS Mesh Wicks. SS Mesh wicks can be dry burned. I am not so fond of dry burning silica. I learnt that the hard way when I first tried to burn off Paris residue which left the silica in a brownish hardened state.
Another solution is ceramic. I have an AVA atomizer which I paid $49 for about a year ago or longer. These solid stainless units are so robust that the best way to clean them is to boil the atomizer and then stick it in the oven for 25 minutes at 180 degrees.
I am finding that, so far, Paris (being the gunkiest liquid out there arguably) is working really well in the AVA. It is also doing a good job in a Phoenix with a SS Mesh wick. I am still not loving it like I was before but I am pretty sure the problem is my taste buds. I've been vaping a lot lately with all the new liquids I've acquired recently and my taste buds are not picking up the complexities and subtle nuances of liquids.
Vapist Valours
First impressions - the NETS need to steep longer. More on this later
I guess I did the 2 day cap off for a couple years and none of the juices seemed to be worse off to me. As long as you don't go longer, the guy who recently ruined his Patriot after leaving it open for a week made me think; now who told you to do THAT?
After a bit though I realized for me, I switch juices so much and keep so much on hand that the bottles last a long time. No point in speeding up a process that will happen anyways. More of a no reason to for me than worried about my juice. There are some though, like SGP and Smokin' Cherries, that it is important not to do anything to speed up the aging process, since they lose flavor with steeping.
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I imagine that Wlad running GC-MS tests and reading results makes him persnickety. I understand, kind of, where he is coming from though. When you know something, it's hard to act as if--even though, on a practical level, there may be no real issue.
The thing I find interesting about all the myriad ways vapers steep their juices, is if they asked themselves, why am I doing this. What do you accomplish leaving the cap off? The only reason I could find was to evaporate alcohol. After shaking, alcohol will be gone in 15 minutes. Any longer and you'll start losing flavor due to oxygen infiltration and molecule diffusion. So I always ask why I'm doing something, is it right or wrong. You have to find confirming information via experimentation, the scientific method and trusted primary sources.
It amazes me how people try to make something simple into something difficult. I don't leave the top off of any juice very long unless it smells of alcohol or chemicals. Shake it (when I remember to), test it occasionally, vape it if it's good, put it back if it's not. I try to follow the vendors recommendations, take advice from folks here, and remember what worked last time. Easy!
That's what I do to a T. Here's my abridged newbies guide to steeping, it takes care of shaking, exposing to air, and time needed:
Shake well then drip; like=vape dislike=wait. Repeat as desired.
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That should be a sticky. The easy answer to the daily "steeping question" thread!
To extend Boomer's argument, we know there is extracting alcohol in many of our juices. Does anyone have any study that shows how long it evaporates from a bottle of juice? We seem to all have conclusions but no proof...unless I missed something.
No studies that I know of specifically of juice. In general, alcohol evaporates quickly. And of course the more alcohol present in a juice the longer it takes to evaporate. The only juices I have now that I've heard contains alcohol is from HHV, but I never got an alcohol smell from them. Virgin Vapor is the only juice I've had that I smelled an unpleasant alcohol presence.
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It seems vaping is still "new" enough that there just aren't a lot of hard and fast answers to a lot of our questions. Quite a few "facts" that get tossed around a lot are based on questionable science at best, rumor repetition at worst. Your old axiom, "vape it til you like it" may be the best answer. When it quits smelling and tasting wonky it's ready.
My guess too is that after a batch of extract sits around for 12 months, most or all of the alcohol is burned off. I'm guessing they keep it in some kind of container that gets opened and closed frequently. To be honest, I have no idea how fast alcohol evaporates in a bottle of finished juice. I'm just guessing, but I would think shaking would take it longer to evaporate. Isn't alcohol lighter than the PG/VG allowing it to float" to the top and burn off?
I ended up in King today with my wife and her friend on a mission to pick up her friend's hope chest to move into her new home (helped her hook up a flat screen and DVD player too). On the way I saw King Vapes new location and stopped in for a peek. I left with a black Octopus rebuildable drip atomizer and matching tip. I am using it right now at 7 watts to vape Goodejuice's Vita Bella - all I can say is wow! This really is the way to go with juice.
That's absolute BS!!! You must add 20 more steps, subtract 5, multiply by 2 and divide by 3. That's the only way to steep juices properly.
Pardon my ignorance, but 25827 does not seem to be a complete phone number. What am I missing?
I've been vaping a Protank side by side with an AGA T2, Apache in both. A good setup on a genny hisses when you fire it, no pops and sputters. The Protank pops and sputters often. When this happens it is not completely atomizing the juice which means you get tiny droplets of juice in the vape which irritate my tongue slightly and leave an aftertaste. The super airy draw exacerbates this problem. I'm trying to give this thing a chance and in its' defense, I am using a stock coil and most of the wick that came with it. Will try a new build on it but for now it isn't keeping up.
I had a similar problem with one of my Kanger T-3's - I clipped some wick from a cheap leaky top coil clearo and added some to create extra "flavor wick" over the top of the coil - it made a noticeable difference since the gurgling and leaking stopped. I use Evod heads in my Pro Tank and it works without pops, gurgles or leaks.
Droplets of juice in mouth from popping, that just the juice giving kisses. Some juices are better kissers than others.
I've heard of using eVod heads in the ProTank to tighten up the draw. I'm happy with the eVod draw, and has a good sizzle so far. Had to remove the flavor wicks for thicker juice and it still performs well.
I notice for my lower res head, it has a gap in the middle with 3 wraps on each side. Thought it was an oddity it the head that came with it but I guess that's how they do the coils. Wonder if there's a reason for that, and if I should do the same when rebuilding it.
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