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Today at 5:00pm pst NBC11 bay area news is doing a report on the alternative smoking trend. This based on the promo is geared toward parents and how your kid my be doing drugs without you knowing. Also that vaping is hooking them to gateway to analogs. Sensationalistic approach to to get viewers but none the less, I'm sure this is not going to be good for the industry and community.
they will probably have a link on thier website after it airs. nbcbayarea.com
 

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Today at 5:00pm pst NBC11 bay area news is doing a report on the alternative smoking trend. This based on the promo is geared toward parents and how your kid my be doing drugs without you knowing. Also that vaping is hooking them to gateway to analogs. Sensationalistic approach to to get viewers but none the less, I'm sure this is not going to be good for the industry and community.
they will probably have a link on thier website after it airs. nbcbayarea.com

OMG, I'm afraid to watch!
 

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Today at 5:00pm pst NBC11 bay area news is doing a report on the alternative smoking trend. This based on the promo is geared toward parents and how your kid my be doing drugs without you knowing. Also that vaping is hooking them to gateway to analogs. Sensationalistic approach to to get viewers but none the less, I'm sure this is not going to be good for the industry and community.
they will probably have a link on thier website after it airs. nbcbayarea.com

I just looked this up in the guide, it airs in the 8:30pm broadcast becuase of football.
 

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The difference is whether or not it is the INVESTIGATIVE team. Meet the Team | NBC Bay Area

Ok, cool. I found the other, but it was just a black screen, no promo. I would like to see the one you are talking about.
I'm originally from the bay area, so am curious to see this. Also kinda glad I don't live there at home anymore, due to all I read about Calif trying to ban vaping.
 

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Ok, cool. I found the other, but it was just a black screen, no promo. I would like to see the one you are talking about.
I'm originally from the bay area, so am curious to see this. Also kinda glad I don't live there at home anymore, due to all I read about Calif trying to ban vaping.

Actually, after NORML got involved in the fight, a lot of Assembly Democrats came over to our side, I believe.

I also believe that the last Analysis was less-biased because some Democrats decided to look twice and get some two-sidedness into the analysis.

I've, sadly, joined the Modern Whig Party (in California it's not officially on the ballot, but if you follow directions on the Bay Area Whiig web site, the state's computer will keep you listed as a wanna-be whig for the day the numbers hit 100,000) though I've been a lifelong Democrat...because it's been too little, too late. I was already on a Whig committee that requires joining the party by the time California Democrats started to wise up a little. Really, I'm so sad about this I want to cry.
 

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Done. Sent them information via their News Tip email.

We understand that you are airing a story this evening regarding youth use of e-cigarettes. While we appreciate that information recently released by the Centers for Disease Control has been widely publicized as suggesting there is some sort of crisis involving youth use of e-cigarettes, the truth is that the data collected by the CDC suggests no such thing.

For example, the CDC’s report on the National Youth Tobacco Survey does not include any of the following pertinent facts:

• What proportion of the 6.8 percent of youth who reported ever-use of e-cigarettes used one that contained nicotine?

• Of the 1.6 percent of youth who report current use (i.e. past 30-day use) of both e-cigarettes and conventional cigarettes, what proportion were conventional smokers before trying an e-cigarette?

• What proportion of the 2.1 percent of youth who reported past 30-day use of e-cigarettes began with a fruit or candy flavor?

• What were the past 30-day smoking rates in 2012? (In 2009, 5.2 percent of middle school students and 17.2 percent of high school students reported past 30-day smoking of cigarettes No data was reported for 2010. In 2011, the numbers were 4.3 percent of middle school students and 15.8 percent of high school students.)

Are you aware of the SAMHSA report? The Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA) has published, "Results from the 2012 National Survey on Drug Use and Health: Summary of National Finding." The report states that past 30-day smoking by youth ages 12-17 steadily declined during the years since e-cigarettes became available, reaching an all time low in 2012 of 6.8 percent for males and 6.3 percent for females (See Figure 4.4) And if increasing e-cigarette use causes smoking increases, how do you explain the fact that smoking initiation rates dropped to record lows of 4.7 percent for males and 4.8 percent for females in 2012? {See Figure 5.8). Results from the 2012 NSDUH: Summary of National Findings, SAMHSA, CBHSQ

Please feel free to contact me if you need any further information on this subject.
 

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Well, they brought in a lot of Tobacco Control folks and youth counselors who have obviously actually talked to kids that vape and say they do not smoke. They also gave a lot of unchecked opinion and repeated the CDC's misrepresentation of their results.

Then the presenter talked about Corbett's bill as though tabling it was a tragedy.

They also did not mention that it is illegal to sell to minors in California. And they talked about nicotine and "the medical stuff" as though they are routinely being used together.

They had a couple of quotes from vape shop owners who feel healthier, and a quote from someone (from Glantz's team at UCSF I believe) who said yes it is way less toxic than smoke but "totally unregulated" -- and that the big (vivi-nova-sized) clearos could easily be used for suicide, or could kill a child. No mention that so can cigarettes.

A very nice-sounding piece of propaganda with just enough clothes on to make it hard to fight.

The 'talking head' that presented this does not show up on the Investigative Team page but the piece was labeled onscreen as an NBC Bay Area Investigates piece.

I don't see video up yet, will check off-and-on in the near future. If someone sees it, please post it AS A BROKEN LINK so humans can get to it but bots cannot count it.
 

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This article might be of interest or of concern, or of both, About that med stuff, Norml and about SB 648 ,
leafly. com/news/lifestyle/are-........-vaporizers-and-e-cigarettes-friends-or-foes
That link won't work -- note the "...." which appears on the ECF
if certain drug words are used --- even in links. Sooo ... if any of those words
are part of a link then "...." will appear which blocks the link.

Back door way to find the article: Click Here
Its a Google Search ... the first return should be the one.

PS: It's worth mentioning not to get too heavy into drug talk
otherwise Moderators very well may close this discussion.
 
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Petrodus

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I hated posting it, but it's such a mixed bag of things we need to be aware about, alerted to, comforted by, and totally confused about. Thanks for the reminder Petrodus
Understood ...
We do need to be aware of what we are up against.
Probably not of great concern to the Moderators
since Bill posted this ... Link
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Understood ...
We do need to be aware of what we are up against.
Probably not of great concern to the Moderators
since Bill posted this ... Link
:p
That clip wasn't even funny. What a waste of intelligence. (They used to be quite witty).

I received a response from leafy about my corrections to the article. (CDC, etc)
Here's what they said
Thank you for your feedback regarding our article on e-cigs and vaporizers. We'll look into making the appropriate revisions. Let us know if you have any other comments or questions in the meantime. Thanks again!

So, if a lot of us copy the link to the article into a "contact us" email, like I did, and correct all the rumor crap and show them the real details like the Drexel study, New Zealand study, and everything, then maybe, just maybe, they will actually follow through and correct the bad Info. Nudge nudge

They do seem to be concerned. They should be, they're in the business of helping cancer patients who still smoke but need to quit.
 
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