NC Health Dept Director urges smokers to not use e-cigs, misrepresents evidence

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ACM

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E-cigarettes are expensive to start up...

That's the key reason e-cigs will never find a market among teenagers. How many teens, working low-paying retail and restaurant jobs, have the discretionary income to dump $50 or more on a starter kit, not to mention the cost of the juice, atomizers, etc. And how many kids under 18 have their own credit cards? Any online purchase would show up on their parents' cards, which would mean they'd be busted.

A pack of smokes, even in New York, only costs about $10-$13 dollars. And unless the kids buying them are pack-a-day or more smokers, that could last them awhile. From a teen financial standpoint, cigarettes make more sense than e-cigs.

The argument that really bugs me is the one that says that it's the flavorings that will attract kids. Just because something tastes like apple or chocolate doesn't mean it's automatically going to attract kids. There's so much about e-cigs that are NOT appealing to minors, and ADULTS LIKE THINGS THAT TASTE GOOD, TOO! (Sorry for "shouting", but it's so obvious.)

Kids smoke. They buy cigarettes from unscrupulous retailers all over the country. It's a problem, and banning e-cigs won't solve it.
 

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It's good to see people working so hard for this cause!
I know that as a smoker I saw our rights disappear and we all knew it would happen. I think we nic users tend to not be as aggresive as our high strung opponents. Yeah us! But we do have to find ways this time to stand up for ourselves as a whole.
If it takes donating money, well lets look at what we are saving and figure out what we can afford to give. I know for most of us that will be limited.

The strangest thought came to my mind when I was reading about needing studies and finding ways to accomplish that, funding, hmmm

Well, according to my sister, Willie Nelson is a vaper-er? and, he will put money in things he believes in.
Would there be a way to get him involved! My sister saw him on some show, maybe Larry King live, talking about using egics and I think she mentioned it was for something other than nic, but hey!
Just a thought...
 

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Kristin, you are so much on point, UNLESS, the antis can convince them that they are more dangerous than smoking and that would be a tremendous stretch.

Except the claim from "the man" that these are more dangerous wouldn't be the only draw. The next step up in the age group has to embrace them - like I mentioned before. Pre-teens emulate teens, teens emulate young adults, young adults emulate those in their late 20's. E-cig users in their late 20's embrace e-cigs because they've realized their own mortality and want to REDUCE risk. Younger 20's are still in their rebel/invincible stage and not ready to make that move to something safer, don't want to spend the start up costs and deal with the hassle, so they will stick to tobacco cigarettes. So, teens will emulate that young 20's group, because that is what they will see (rather than what they hear from the public health groups) They'll see younger 20-somethings smoking, not vaping.

So, no matter how dangerous public health portrays them to be, there are many other factors which will keep kids from embracing them.
 

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I just tried to post a comment but it seemed to just disappear when I hit enter? Maybe it'll show up later or it was too long, but they didn't post a character limit, so I don't know...

The public health community keeps claiming the same thing: "We don't know" about e-cigarettes.

This is completely false.

There have been half a dozen tests and studies and three surveys of e-cigarette users.

Here is what we DO know from published and/or public tests, studies and surveys:

1. E-cigarettes contain no more nitrosamines (cancer-causing compounds) than the FDA-approved nicotine patch.

2. There have been no toxic levels of chemicals found in any e-cigarette tested. The FDA found approximately 1% of diethylene glycol (which they called "anti freeze") in ONE sample of 18 tested. That was in the liquid, not the inhaled vapor. No other testing has found any diethylene glycol since.

3. Surveys of THOUSANDS of e-cigarette users found that over 70% were over the age of 30 and nearly ALL were former smokers. There is no indication that e-cigarettes are attractive to non-smokers or teens from these surveys.

4. In spite of concerns over internet access and "candy flavors," there have been no reports of great numbers of teens investing $50 - $150 to buy e-cigarettes. Surveys show that many adult e-cigarette users enjoy the fruit and candy flavors over the fake tobacco flavors and use those flavors to distance themselves further from the taste of tobacco smoking. Consider that Nicorette also comes in fruit chill, cherry and mint, yet they aren't accused of targeting children. Pleasant flavors appeal to adults or Nicorette wouldn't offer them.

5. In over 3 years on the U.S. market and over half a million users, there have been no reports made public (by the FDA or any medical groups) of illness or injury attributed to e-cigarette use. On the contrary, e-cigarette user survey respondents report improved lung function and better overall health and stamina. Yet public health continues to ignore this fact.

6. E-cigarettes deliver less nicotine than tobacco smoke. Smokers self-regulate, so it doesn't matter if the amounts vary puff-to-puff. Once they've satisfied the desire, they stop puffing. There is no risk for someone who already smokes and switches to e-cigarettes to become "more addicted." In fact, since there is no cigarette burning away, there is no need to "finish it" with an e-cigarette like there is with an expensive tobacco cigarette. So users likely consume LESS nicotine than with smoking, because they put it away when satisfied rather than not "waste it" and continue to smoke until it's gone, like they would with a tobacco cigarette.

6. E-cigarettes are not intended nor advertised as a treatment for nicotine addiction. Even though in surveys and testimonials e-cigarette users report that they are able to quit smoking, they do not claim to have cured nicotine addiction. Quitting smoking and quitting nicotine should be considered two different things, but the pubic health groups treat them as one and the same. This is a dangerous policy that puts many lives at risk.

In fact, e-cigarettes are intended to be an ALTERNATIVE to smoking, much like diet soda or low-fat products are a healthier food alternative. You wouldn't consider them "healthy" - just less bad for you than the real thing.

Health groups say there is "no proof" e-cigarettes help you quit smoking, but what they really mean is that there is no proof they help you quit nicotine. And they don't tell people that nicotine use, without smoke, is as about safe as using caffeine - so you don't need to quit nicotine to be considered as having "quit smoking."

There will never be proof that e-cigarettes help you quit nicotine because that is not their purpose; their purpose is to provide nicotine in a safer, lower risk form.

The NC state health department was right about one thing - the public DOES deserve to know more about these products - they deserve to know the TRUTH.

(I do not sell e-cigarettes. I am a board member of CASAA and a former smoker who quit over one year ago and has no desire to go back - so long as they don't take away my e-cigarette!)
 
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