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NC Health Dept Director urges smokers to not use e-cigs, misrepresents evidence
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I am safe and effective and FDA APPROVED!
However, the safety of using me, and drugs like me, for a long period of time is not known. A small number of people who have used me have had cancer. I may cause severe liver damage in rare cases. Watch for signs of liver injury, including itching, yellow eyes and skin and loss of appetite. Please consult your physician if you experience ........ or constipation, insomnia, necromancy, snoring, sleep apnea, sleep deprivation, or restless legs syndrome. Any sudden increase or decrease in weight also should be monitored by your physician. Use of me in some cases has been shown to lead to neurodegeneration with brain iron accumulation Type 1, dyslexia, cerebral palsy and short term memory lapses. Some patients have experienced episodes of anorexia, bulimia, compulsive overeating. Indications of other adverse reactions to me include dizziness, blurred vision, momentary blindness and episodes of epilepsy. In rare cases paralysis has been experienced. If you should experience an erection that lasts longer than three hours, contact you physician immediately.
Just remember, I am safe and effective and FDA APPROVED!
However, the safety of using me, and drugs like me, for a long period of time is not known. A small number of people who have used me have had cancer. I may cause severe liver damage in rare cases. Watch for signs of liver injury, including itching, yellow eyes and skin and loss of appetite. Please consult your physician if you experience ........ or constipation, insomnia, necromancy, snoring, sleep apnea, sleep deprivation, or restless legs syndrome. Any sudden increase or decrease in weight also should be monitored by your physician. Use of me in some cases has been shown to lead to neurodegeneration with brain iron accumulation Type 1, dyslexia, cerebral palsy and short term memory lapses. Some patients have experienced episodes of anorexia, bulimia, compulsive overeating. Indications of other adverse reactions to me include dizziness, blurred vision, momentary blindness and episodes of epilepsy. In rare cases paralysis has been experienced. If you should experience an erection that lasts longer than three hours, contact you physician immediately.
Just remember, I am safe and effective and FDA APPROVED!
LOL - That's so freakin' true. Why is it so hard for politicians just admit the sheer hypocrisy of their words and actions when it comes to condemning things like e-cigs? It's so maddening!
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Also safe and effective and FDA APPROVED!
Important Safety Information
and Possible Side Effects
What is the most important safety information about XXXXX?
Some people have had changes in behavior, hostility, agitation, depressed mood, suicidal thoughts or actions while using XXXXX to help them quit smoking. Some people had these symptoms when they began taking XXXXX, and others developed them after several weeks of treatment or after stopping XXXXX. If you, your family, or caregiver notice agitation, hostility, depression, or changes in behavior, thinking, or mood that are not typical for you, or you develop suicidal thoughts or actions, anxiety, panic, aggression, anger, mania, abnormal sensations, hallucinations, paranoia, or confusion, stop taking XXXXX and call your doctor right away. Also tell your doctor about any history of depression or other mental health problems before taking XXXXX, as these symptoms may worsen while taking XXXXX.
Important Safety Information
and Possible Side Effects
What is the most important safety information about XXXXX?
Some people have had changes in behavior, hostility, agitation, depressed mood, suicidal thoughts or actions while using XXXXX to help them quit smoking. Some people had these symptoms when they began taking XXXXX, and others developed them after several weeks of treatment or after stopping XXXXX. If you, your family, or caregiver notice agitation, hostility, depression, or changes in behavior, thinking, or mood that are not typical for you, or you develop suicidal thoughts or actions, anxiety, panic, aggression, anger, mania, abnormal sensations, hallucinations, paranoia, or confusion, stop taking XXXXX and call your doctor right away. Also tell your doctor about any history of depression or other mental health problems before taking XXXXX, as these symptoms may worsen while taking XXXXX.
Did the forum censor prohibit you from including the name of this "safe" FDA approved smoking cessation drug? It's clearly one of two non-nicotine options. I tried one until it made me feel so lousy I decided to start smoking again. That and my health insurance didn't cover it, and it was too expensive to pay full shot for it.
When I saw this thread the other day, as a resident of NC, I promptly fired off an email to this guy. I even included my phone number in case his office might want to call and confirm the good experience I've had using PV's as "a substitute for cigarettes." Oddly, I have not received a reply. I don't know if his inbox is flooded or if my input is getting some special consideration since I contribute to paying his salary. 
Hopefully, it's one or the other and I'm not simply being ignored.
Hopefully, it's one or the other and I'm not simply being ignored.When I saw this thread the other day, as a resident of NC, I promptly fired off an email to this guy. I even included my phone number in case his office might want to call and confirm the good experience I've had using PV's as "a substitute for cigarettes." Oddly, I have not received a reply. I don't know if his inbox is flooded or if my input is getting some special consideration since I contribute to paying his salary.
I received a reply within a couple of days, so I would imagine you'll hear from his office. It'll probably be the same form letter I got, though.
I agree with everyone here, But I believe that some folks constant mention of the supposed MOTIVES of the FDA, doctors, et al. (money, social control, save the children, you must never touch poisons my family doesn't use or whatever) is detracting from our message.
We want honest, scientifically rigorous testing and reporting!
You may be right about some scientists/doctors motives and shoddy research skills, but questioning their motives is an insult. These folks would welcome a ban on tobacco....they do not get checks from the government, Big Tobac/Pharma to suppress PVs.
'Never attribute to conspiracy what is better explained by carelessness or stupidity'...or good intentions.
Any Letters to the Editor about supposed motives makes us look like kooks. IMO.
CASAA seems pretty spot on in their strategy, tactics and tone.
My :$0.02:
We want honest, scientifically rigorous testing and reporting!
You may be right about some scientists/doctors motives and shoddy research skills, but questioning their motives is an insult. These folks would welcome a ban on tobacco....they do not get checks from the government, Big Tobac/Pharma to suppress PVs.
'Never attribute to conspiracy what is better explained by carelessness or stupidity'...or good intentions.
Any Letters to the Editor about supposed motives makes us look like kooks. IMO.
CASAA seems pretty spot on in their strategy, tactics and tone.
My :$0.02:
Absolutely. The right to vape or not to vape in light of the continued, legal sale of tobacco products leads to emotional reactions to proposed bans and other governmental efforts to discourage the use of e-cigs. Even logical arguments such as the kind I have been sending out to doctors and legislators are more or less irrelevant (although not as kooky as conspiracy theories, of which I, too, am kind of guilty of from time-to-time.)
When it comes to swaying opinions, cold, hard data is king.
Looks like the article was released today. E-cigarettes' safety unknown, official says | JournalNow.com
That was a fairly balanced article. Good on the reporter for contacting Bill and giving him the last word.
This was not a bad article at all, although it would have benefitted from more depth.
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Richard Craver (who wrote the article) has written many articles on smokeless tobacco products and harm reduction, typically involving local company RJ Reynolds' Camel Snus, Orbs, Strips and Sticks, and Reynolds' acquired Grizzly and other moist snuff brands.
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I think lots of smokers who read this article will consider trying e-cigarettes, but I worry that youth who read this article may do the same. By claiming that e-cigarettes are marketed to youth, and that youth are using them, NC Health Director Jeff Engel is actively encouraging youth to use e-cigarettes.
The only youth who would be attracted to e-cigarettes would be those who already smoke. My 17 year old son said only his smoking friends have tried them and gave them up because they were too much of a hassle. If a teen is going to smoke anyhow, I'd much rather see them use a much safer, smokeless alternative. The chance of non-smoking teens trying these and using them regularly is statistically insignificant.
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After some of us helped the reporter find some folks to interview on Friday, the NBC TV affiliate in Raleigh, NC came out with a story today:
Special Report: Electronic Cigarettes
Special Report: Electronic Cigarettes | NBC17.com
But either the video isn't posted on the URL, or something in my computer won't let me view/hear it.
Anyone else having that problem too (as I noticed no comments are posted yet)?
Special Report: Electronic Cigarettes
Special Report: Electronic Cigarettes | NBC17.com
But either the video isn't posted on the URL, or something in my computer won't let me view/hear it.
Anyone else having that problem too (as I noticed no comments are posted yet)?
I did a search on the site and found the video
Special Report: Electronic Cigarettes | NBC17.com
Oops...I thought it was the video. It was a promo for a piece to run Monday at 7 (that's tonight).
Special Report: Electronic Cigarettes | NBC17.com
Oops...I thought it was the video. It was a promo for a piece to run Monday at 7 (that's tonight).
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Kristin wrote:
The chance of non-smoking teens trying these and using them regularly is statistically insignificant.
I'm concerned that all of the inaccurate claims by e-cigarette prohibitionists about youth (e.g. e-cigarettes are target marketed to youth, e-cigarettes are sold to youth, youth can easily buy e-cigarettes, e-cigarettes appeal to youth, more youth are using e-cigarettes, etc.) will actually encourage youth to try using e-cigarettes.
And its becoming clear to me that the e-cigarette prohitionists actually want more youth to use e-cigarettes so that they can further advocate for e-cigarette prohibition.
The chance of non-smoking teens trying these and using them regularly is statistically insignificant.
I'm concerned that all of the inaccurate claims by e-cigarette prohibitionists about youth (e.g. e-cigarettes are target marketed to youth, e-cigarettes are sold to youth, youth can easily buy e-cigarettes, e-cigarettes appeal to youth, more youth are using e-cigarettes, etc.) will actually encourage youth to try using e-cigarettes.
And its becoming clear to me that the e-cigarette prohitionists actually want more youth to use e-cigarettes so that they can further advocate for e-cigarette prohibition.
I see what you are saying - portray e-cigarettes as dangerous and something that adolescents should be "protected from" will make youths want them when they otherwise wouldn't even be on their radar.
There is a chance of that, but I think it's slim. I just don't see e-cigarettes as having the allure even with the antis trying to make them alluring. They are expensive to start up and they already have the reputation as being a "safer" alternative and a way to "quit smoking."
I don't think they'll be any more alluring to teens than Nicorette minis are. Smoking just still trumps everything else. Cigarettes are relatively cheap, hassle-free, they involve fire and danger and adults forbid teens to use them and want to quit them, as well.
E-cigarettes are expensive to start up, teen and adults alike call them "goofy looking," they are embraced by adults as a safer/healthier alternative to the MORE DANGEROUS tobacco cigarettes and they are a hassle to get and maintain.
Even with public health warning against them, the fact that ADULT smokers are embracing them as a safer/healthier alternative will make young, non-smoking adults have no interest AT ALL and young, smoking adults still see themselves as invincible and not concerned about future health issues so have no interest and therefore, the teens whole idolize those young adults will have no interest in e-cigarettes, either. The only people teens emulate are young adults. Anything that mature adults do is seen as completely UNcool. The e-cigarette users in their late 20's are on that cusp of turning into adults who are starting to acknowledge their own mortality and from what I can tell nearly ALL e-cigarette users of all ages were either already smokers or would be smoking otherwise.
Here's where the antis claim that e-cigarettes are targeting teens falls apart - these will have no attraction for teens who otherwise wouldn't be SMOKING and if they chose to switch from smoking or choose e-cigarettes over tobacco cigarettes, that would still be beneficial to public health. The chance of a teen starting on mint chip vapor and wanting to switch to tobacco smoke, which is an acquired taste, has to be virtually nil. While those teens using e-cigarettes would still risk nicotine addiction, they would, at the very least, not be SMOKING - as they would be without the e-cigarette OPTION.
There is a chance of that, but I think it's slim. I just don't see e-cigarettes as having the allure even with the antis trying to make them alluring. They are expensive to start up and they already have the reputation as being a "safer" alternative and a way to "quit smoking."
I don't think they'll be any more alluring to teens than Nicorette minis are. Smoking just still trumps everything else. Cigarettes are relatively cheap, hassle-free, they involve fire and danger and adults forbid teens to use them and want to quit them, as well.
E-cigarettes are expensive to start up, teen and adults alike call them "goofy looking," they are embraced by adults as a safer/healthier alternative to the MORE DANGEROUS tobacco cigarettes and they are a hassle to get and maintain.
Even with public health warning against them, the fact that ADULT smokers are embracing them as a safer/healthier alternative will make young, non-smoking adults have no interest AT ALL and young, smoking adults still see themselves as invincible and not concerned about future health issues so have no interest and therefore, the teens whole idolize those young adults will have no interest in e-cigarettes, either. The only people teens emulate are young adults. Anything that mature adults do is seen as completely UNcool. The e-cigarette users in their late 20's are on that cusp of turning into adults who are starting to acknowledge their own mortality and from what I can tell nearly ALL e-cigarette users of all ages were either already smokers or would be smoking otherwise.
Here's where the antis claim that e-cigarettes are targeting teens falls apart - these will have no attraction for teens who otherwise wouldn't be SMOKING and if they chose to switch from smoking or choose e-cigarettes over tobacco cigarettes, that would still be beneficial to public health. The chance of a teen starting on mint chip vapor and wanting to switch to tobacco smoke, which is an acquired taste, has to be virtually nil. While those teens using e-cigarettes would still risk nicotine addiction, they would, at the very least, not be SMOKING - as they would be without the e-cigarette OPTION.
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