Nearing disaster in New York - please take action NOW to prevent e-cigarette ban.

[CES]

That's information from the support group is almost promising Mark. Though the support group is not quite right about the nicotine levels.

You can order liquid that has equivalent levels (or higher) than reported for combustible cigs. Yet, research by people on the forum and one published paperhttp://www.healthnz.co.nz/2010 Bullen ECig.pdf suggests that the absorption of nicotine by vaping may be only 10-40% of that of absorption of nicotine when smoking. So people are probably getting the less nicotine than they would by smoking, even if the nicotine concentration in the juice appears to be higher. Without inhaling carcinogens and poisons from smoke. The levels of nicotine that I most often see people reporting using are certainly higher than those in approved NRTs, but that's likely why e-cigs work and NRTs don't.

Thanks for sending the letters- the more voices the better. The issue can still come up in the next legislative session. And happy 1 year vaping!!!!!

 

[crashinbrn]

I've been trying to get my friend "Mary" to go with E cigs.......Instead, she is attending a "stop smoking class" (support group). I asked her what they have said about e cigs. They said their still doing a lot of research on them (they don't know yet) but there is promise. What they did tell her was that you get much more nicotine from an e cig than you would from a regular cig....So basically they are not recommending e cigs at this time in the support group.

tell her ECF is a support group too, there is even a live chat for help as well. this place made it easy for me i must say, with all the good and nice folks here, and all the good advice too.

 

[v1John]

You can get zero nicotine and still switch to ecigs.

Anyway what I wanted to post is that the action that can be taken NOW is to know
who to vote for. Midterms are in November!

 

[warbdan]

I've never been more ashamed or disgusted to be an American than I have in the last 5- 10 years. Seeing how easily we as a people have let our rights get stripped away makes me want to vomit. We used to be a strong, proud people. What happened to us? When did we decide to just live by whatever these dinosaurs holding public office decide is right for us? Get your butts in gear people. I have emailed and mailed every senator and representative I can for my state of Kentucky. Remind these stuffed suits who they work for and also remind them if they keep this nonsense up they won't be working for long. They ARE scared of us. WE decide who makes our choices in legislature. WE!

 

[emb]

I don't want to get too political here but I am with Warban on this. It's time these politicans stop taking away our rights and stop stripping us of our constitutial rights. We must as a people stand up and fight for our rights or soon we won't have any.

 

[warbdan]

Amen. We've been too complacent lately. Remember the Boston Tea Party? Remember: Give me liberty, or give me death? We DO have a say in how this country is run. We just need to exercise our rights now, more than ever.

 

[crashinbrn]

dont let the fda sneak into your state. inform your legislatures, send them a copy of the petition too, or other informative literature. send em to the people YOU vote for. and we can beat the fda to the punch.

 

[THE]

I've never been more ashamed or disgusted to be an American than I have in the last 5- 10 years. Seeing how easily we as a people have let our rights get stripped away makes me want to vomit. We used to be a strong, proud people. What happened to us? When did we decide to just live by whatever these dinosaurs holding public office decide is right for us? Get your butts in gear people. I have emailed and mailed every senator and representative I can for my state of Kentucky. Remind these stuffed suits who they work for and also remind them if they keep this nonsense up they won't be working for long. They ARE scared of us. WE decide who makes our choices in legislature. WE!

I'm not going to read all of this because I'll get real upset. But you're right. The government is supposed to get power from us. Now we all feel we get power from them. We've stood by and watched the greatest theft of wealth and power in the history of mankind.

All anyone wants is to be lead and "taken care of". So they can play their video games and watch football and consume retail priced wholesale fat/salt and liquid sugar all day.

They use to be afraid of us. We use to have the brains to go to them and let them know they'd be .. something not very nice .. if they didn't fulfill our consciences.

Not anymore.
What have they to be afraid of?

When people in the deep south blindly were forced to hand their guns over, you know there's nothing for them to fear.

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I don't know what the answer is. We've a generation (or two, maybe three) of people who want to be TAKEN CARE OF. Well. We sure got it.

 

[HeatherC]

Amen. We've been too complacent lately. Remember the Boston Tea Party? Remember: Give me liberty, or give me death? We DO have a say in how this country is run. We just need to exercise our rights now, more than ever.

AMEN and pass the....umm...whatever we want to pass LOL

 

[THE]

You know NY is getting BAD.. I was just talking to a lady friend of mine who lives a half hour outside the city. Maybe that's why I started reading this.. I didn't see it before. Not sure why.

Did you know I could not even send her any stunguns because they're illegal there?
Unbelievable.

I wanted her to have one and sell them out there for me.
Oh well

Thanks uncle scam!!

 

[HeatherC]

You know NY is getting BAD.. I was just talking to a lady friend of mine who lives a half hour outside the city. Maybe that's why I started reading this.. I didn't see it before. Not sure why.

Did you know I could not even send her any stunguns because they're illegal there?
Unbelievable.

I wanted her to have one and sell them out there for me.
Oh well

Thanks uncle scam!!

ROFL!!! And cigarettes are 9.50 a pack here in buffalo....(not that it makes a diff since i'm vaping now but..) And there is of course the new "fat tax" and they are even taxing bottled water now....where will it end???

Again ROFL

 

[DC2]

I don't know what the answer is. We've a generation (or two, maybe three) of people who want to be TAKEN CARE OF. Well. We sure got it.

Socialism... coming to an America near you!!!

 

[THE]

Socialism... coming to an America near you!!!

Don't worry, the packaging looks real nice.

 

[DC2]

Don't worry, the packaging looks real nice.

Yeah, just don't read the fine print!!!

 

[HeatherC]

Yeah, just don't read the fine print!!!

What fine print I can't see it (JK)

 

[Fumes]

What fine print I can't see it (JK)

Ya wanna see some real fine print. Look at the line, on your check, where you sign your name . Its not a line, its a sentence.

I dont know where you all have been. Especially you THE. We were complaining and rioting all thru the 60's about this crap. We got some changes but very few. This take over has been in the making for a looong time. All thru history, this happens all the time, but I think this will be different. We are a republic,a military totalitarian, a dictatorship, facist, socialistic, etc..etc.. A whole collage of everyting. I think this will continue.
Just thank you lucky stars you are not black in good ole America. enuff said.

Fumes

 

[HeatherC]

Ya wanna see some real fine print. Look at the line, on your check, where you sign your name . Its not a line, its a sentence.

I dont know where you all have been. Especially you THE. We were complaining and rioting all thru the 60's about this crap. We got some changes but very few. This take over has been in the making for a looong time. All thru history, this happens all the time, but I think this will be different. We are a republic,a military totalitarian, a dictatorship, facist, socialistic, etc..etc.. A whole collage of everyting. I think this will continue.
Just thank you lucky stars you are not black in good ole America. enuff said.

Fumes

In the 60's I was just a dream my parents may have had....and I'm not even sure aabout that LOL. I wasn't around then. And to add to what you said...in some places in the world we all would have been arrested for just saying what we're saying (maybe even shot) so Yes thanking my lucky stars I'm here and not there

 

[THE]

Ya wanna see some real fine print. Look at the line, on your check, where you sign your name . Its not a line, its a sentence.

I dont know where you all have been. Especially you THE. We were complaining and rioting all thru the 60's about this crap. We got some changes but very few. This take over has been in the making for a looong time. All thru history, this happens all the time, but I think this will be different. We are a republic,a military totalitarian, a dictatorship, facist, socialistic, etc..etc.. A whole collage of everyting. I think this will continue.
Just thank you lucky stars you are not black in good ole America. enuff said.

Fumes

This whole century has been a disaster for the states, period. It's gotten progressively worse since 1910 or so. They do what they do slowly enough that it doesn't upset anyone until it's too late.

We're supposed to be a constitutional republic and yet 99 of 100 idiots on the street will tell you about our democracy. Mob rule.

Why on earth would I not want to be black? Try being white and going broke. The "real whites" will treat you like a disease. I know. I'm there. When I put my ex wife through school she couldn't get government aid with straight A's while all of the black kids got a free ride with D's and F's.

Cry me a river about being a minority. The LAST THING IN THE WORLD you want to be in the states is a WHITE MALE unless you've got deep pockets or at least appear to. Believe you me.

Being white sucks.. I've had to put latino down to get loan apps approved, before. But it's so bad not being white waaaaaahhhh

I've known more black folks than most black people have and it's not so bad being black. One black guy was even teasing me about how the white man is the of todays America and he's right.

Please

As an aside.. we're way off topic now.
I'm going to leave this alone so everyone can discuss the NY VAPING BAN

 

[Fumes]

I've known more black folks than most black people have and it's not so bad being black. One black guy was even teasing me about how the white man is the of todays America and he's right.

Please

As an aside.. we're way off topic now.
I'm going to leave this alone so everyone can discuss the NY VAPING BAN

Right on THE,

You are right, Its a mess for almost anybody, including Lohan.
But I beg to differ::

WE ARE NOT OFF TOPIC
This ban is a further display of Power over the ppl. Of blind sighted govt. Frauds paid off by lobbyists (bribery) to allow 3m or DOW, or Merck for that matter, reiisue the Ecig made by them (from china of course) but only by prescription (govt note) at inflated prices. Its all about money and not about petitions. There is nothing we can do. Unless someone here has some connections and a whole lotta money.
THe only other path would be to do a vast meditation with James Redfeild one week to stop the ban on ecigs.
Other than that, to all of you, get a 3 year supply of juice and put it in the fridge. BY then we will have a going black market in nicotine. Or maybe by then we will start cookin up nic at home, from Niacin. ha ha ha

 

[bliynd]

I'm going to say we are screwed on this one.... I live in upstate NY, near the Canadian border, cigs up here are 9.50 a pack. They want to ban the e-cig because they just raised the taxes on tobacco because we have a huge tax deficit... and thats not the only thing they are doing. They are also going to start enforcing a law that came into place during the previous tax hike... witch pretty much says If you buy cigarettes at an Indian reservation you have to pay taxes on them when you leave, we have an Indian reservation right down the road and they are supposed to have road blocks up starting sept 1st to enforce this.... I guess I will have to find someone out of state to order my vape supplies and mail them to me