There are plenty of 11 year olds that sniff glue and get high on paint. Why don't these imbeciles go after that? Agreed.... leave e-cigs alone!
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Nearing disaster in New York - please take action NOW to prevent e-cigarette ban.
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There are plenty of 11 year olds that sniff glue and get high on paint. Why don't these imbeciles go after that? Agreed.... leave e-cigs alone!
Robbie
NY state also holds the dubious distinction of being one of two in the entire country that has banned electric assisted bicycles in order to keep everyone in their cars. Talk about being a road block to positive change..
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Ahhhh, yes and no, old friend....
(donning my supplier hat) Is this on straight?
I supply over 300 tobacco retailers and they shun e-liquid like the plague... We offer three flavors of Dekang, and many carry it - but it just doesn't sell... As unpopular as the concept may be with many users, most US suppliers are small businesses just like millions of other mom and pops.
In order to sell to tobacco retailers, I urge them NOT to exploit prices for kits. Most of our retailers sell 510 kits for under $60. Considering the cost of storefronts, insurance, payroll, (etc.) IMHO it really is a fair compromise. Where they make their profit is on charging $4.95 for a 10-pack (costing $2.25) in carts.
- New users don't get screwed on kits.
- Retailers are encouraged to push e-cigs in their stores.
- Carts are still less than half the cost of analogs.
All I am saying, is that there is a HUGE populace who have little or no interest in dripping - and they are the ones who are keeping the prefilled cart market going. It isn't a matter of not knowing about dripping - it's that the convenience and cost factor of buying prefilled carts is more a selling point than the cost savings of dealing with e-liquid.
Color Webby a prefilled cart user. Even if I didn't own the company, at $2.00/pack, I'd buy carts all day long.
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Its funny that the FDA has their nickers in a bunch over e-cigs but have approoved the use of nicotine inhailers sold by the same people who make nicotine gum. Oh but they can charge an arm and a leg for them. E-cigs are not cheep and most kids couldn't afford it so whats the big deal. When I told my doctor I was going to get off cigs using the e-cig he was all excitted and said that in his opinion they were a safer choice and you have less chance of failure. I hope Minnesota doesn't follow New Yorks foot steps or I would be up set.
I know that there's no reasoning with someone like Linda Rosenthal because she believes in government being in our shorts, but I sent this message to her anyway..
"How can you possibly justify the continued sale of tobacco cigarettes, which are NOT FDA approved, and then turn around and push forward with banning electronic cigarettes with apparently little to no knowledge of what you're talking about? Did you even read the FDA report? There were 18 seized cartridges that were tested and 1 of the 18 had a TRACE amount of diethelyne glycol. They were all made in China. There are manufacturers of eliquid right here in the U.S. that are SEEKING FDA testing and approval. I don't see a push to ban cars based on Toyota's issues with gas pedals. Do you? No, because it makes no sense!
Let's talk about trace amounts. By trace amount, we're talking in terms of parts per billion. Did you know that traditional cigarette tobacco is treated with diethelyne glycol? Did you know that a clear majority of the medical community sees electronic cigarettes as a far better option than smoking traditional tobacco cigarettes? Did you know that the vast majority of electronic cigarette consumers are currently tobacco cigarette smokers? Did you know that the vast majority of tobacco smokers that have purchased electronic cigarettes have done so for a far safer alternative to inhaling 4000+ chemicals of which over 40 are known to be carcinogens? What you're doing by eliminating an obviously far safer option to tobacco cigarette smoking is sentencing many people to near certain ill health. We don't need you making decisions of this nature for us! Yes I'm from CT, but in this monkey-see-monkey-do government that has evolved from the well intended, brilliant system of our forefathers, you're setting a precedent that will encourage other blind assembly members like yourself to follow."
Robbie
"How can you possibly justify the continued sale of tobacco cigarettes, which are NOT FDA approved, and then turn around and push forward with banning electronic cigarettes with apparently little to no knowledge of what you're talking about? Did you even read the FDA report? There were 18 seized cartridges that were tested and 1 of the 18 had a TRACE amount of diethelyne glycol. They were all made in China. There are manufacturers of eliquid right here in the U.S. that are SEEKING FDA testing and approval. I don't see a push to ban cars based on Toyota's issues with gas pedals. Do you? No, because it makes no sense!
Let's talk about trace amounts. By trace amount, we're talking in terms of parts per billion. Did you know that traditional cigarette tobacco is treated with diethelyne glycol? Did you know that a clear majority of the medical community sees electronic cigarettes as a far better option than smoking traditional tobacco cigarettes? Did you know that the vast majority of electronic cigarette consumers are currently tobacco cigarette smokers? Did you know that the vast majority of tobacco smokers that have purchased electronic cigarettes have done so for a far safer alternative to inhaling 4000+ chemicals of which over 40 are known to be carcinogens? What you're doing by eliminating an obviously far safer option to tobacco cigarette smoking is sentencing many people to near certain ill health. We don't need you making decisions of this nature for us! Yes I'm from CT, but in this monkey-see-monkey-do government that has evolved from the well intended, brilliant system of our forefathers, you're setting a precedent that will encourage other blind assembly members like yourself to follow."
Robbie
Color me one too. I use cartomizers, and while I do refill them sometimes, my reason for using them is the convenience of not having to drip or mess with various fillers and concoctions. I buy minimal supplies of liquid and count on pre-filled cartomizers for 90% of my usage. They are still cheaper than cigarettes.
Just to clarify, I never said anything about dripping--what I stated was that the majority of people buy carts to fill them or refill them with e-liquid. That is what the major Suppliers have told me for a very long time now.
Sun
Figured some of us wouldn't mind printing a few of these. Sign em or mail them to officials i don't know but im throwing this out there either way.
3 files
sample http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/116/sampley.jpg
high resolution jpg for printing 300dpi http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/7523/certificateofdeathny.jpg
and the photoshop file for it http://www.megaupload.com/?d=L14A49X9
3 files
sample http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/116/sampley.jpg
high resolution jpg for printing 300dpi http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/7523/certificateofdeathny.jpg
and the photoshop file for it http://www.megaupload.com/?d=L14A49X9
Well done!! That is exactly the kind of thing we need to shake some people up a little.
If I lived in New York I would mail out a bunch of those.
I called everyone one on that list and lectured them on the chemical content of cigarette smoke compared to that of e-cigarettes. Then asked them which they thought was more dangerous, and whether they would feel comfortable banning a product with significantly less lethal potential. Then I asked them to relay that to the senator. They all agreed to do so.
THIS NEEDS TO BE NEAR THE TOP. PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!
This needs to be bumped up, took me forever to find it.
Question: Has anyone heard yet when the senate will be voting on the New York ban?????????
This needs to be bumped up, took me forever to find it.
Question: Has anyone heard yet when the senate will be voting on the New York ban?????????
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This already is a Sticky in the General E-cig Discussion Fourm. So it always is at the top.
Sun
I think the combined final vote has not taken place yet,
and then your governor would have to outright blatantly refuse to veto the bill.
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Reminder to all who signed the petition: please remember to print the printer version of the petition and mail them out yourselves as soon as possible. Thanks.
and then your governor would have to outright blatantly refuse to veto the bill.
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Reminder to all who signed the petition: please remember to print the printer version of the petition and mail them out yourselves as soon as possible. Thanks.
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There's a nearby thread about New York, and I posted a question and some details about
the NEY YORK GOVERNOR. Is he alowed to VETO the bill? Here is the post with details:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ate-will-voting-new-york-ban.html#post1337748
the NEY YORK GOVERNOR. Is he alowed to VETO the bill? Here is the post with details:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ate-will-voting-new-york-ban.html#post1337748
I watched the NY Senate on TV today but all It did was keep showing their ugly pictures. 
I know they are also prerecorded too.
No but I sure wish I did know when they are going to vote.
Anyone in Albany yet???
I know they are also prerecorded too.No but I sure wish I did know when they are going to vote.
Anyone in Albany yet???
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The call to action thread has not only been a sticky, it's also been posted as an alert in the heading of the forum-in-general for some time, and there's plenty info here and in other threads in the forum. It gets confusing when there are too many threads - hard to keep the discussion coherent and a lot of redundancies.
There are several more steps before the thing passes, including the unlikely possibility of the governor vetoing it. Pataki is unpopular with most of the senate, beleaguered by recent scandal, and IMHO unlikely to veto anything. I remain vaguely hopeful that the Health Committee might lay it down. The vote there will happen, as I understand it, "on a Tuesday" - many were expecting it to come up today but it appears that it won't (?) - I'm not certain re the latter. They slipped it thru the Assembly very quickly and neatly. As I understand it, also, no one will be allowed to speak or appear except by invitation, and I'd expect those invitations to be pretty well rigged. If I have any of this wrong, someone please correct me. I'm following this and doing what I can in the narrow weekday time I have between jobs.
There's hope - last minute reversals have occurred in other states. But NY is particularly heavy-handed re this sort of thing, and Albany has been an absolute circus for some time. This state gov. is simply falling to pieces, total confetti, and is very preoccupied with its inability to pass a budget that doesn't involve huge cuts to important human services and all. I suspect that careful consideration of this relatively insignificant bill (in their eyes) is the least of their pressing issues. Perhaps if they can at least understand that it's controversial and poorly defended by any factual argument, the HC will put it aside rather than rubber stamping it? Dunno how minds work down there and not sure I'd ever grasp the lunacy of it all, or want to. At one point they were stalled over something, and one party stole the gavel and commenced independent deliberations... there was a lot of front-page fuss about the stolen gavel, and a locked chamber containing only members of one party - I mean, total lunacy. They are children. Unpleasant children. On both sides of the aisle. And in charge of rather a lot. Anything can happen.
There are several more steps before the thing passes, including the unlikely possibility of the governor vetoing it. Pataki is unpopular with most of the senate, beleaguered by recent scandal, and IMHO unlikely to veto anything. I remain vaguely hopeful that the Health Committee might lay it down. The vote there will happen, as I understand it, "on a Tuesday" - many were expecting it to come up today but it appears that it won't (?) - I'm not certain re the latter. They slipped it thru the Assembly very quickly and neatly. As I understand it, also, no one will be allowed to speak or appear except by invitation, and I'd expect those invitations to be pretty well rigged. If I have any of this wrong, someone please correct me. I'm following this and doing what I can in the narrow weekday time I have between jobs.
There's hope - last minute reversals have occurred in other states. But NY is particularly heavy-handed re this sort of thing, and Albany has been an absolute circus for some time. This state gov. is simply falling to pieces, total confetti, and is very preoccupied with its inability to pass a budget that doesn't involve huge cuts to important human services and all. I suspect that careful consideration of this relatively insignificant bill (in their eyes) is the least of their pressing issues. Perhaps if they can at least understand that it's controversial and poorly defended by any factual argument, the HC will put it aside rather than rubber stamping it? Dunno how minds work down there and not sure I'd ever grasp the lunacy of it all, or want to. At one point they were stalled over something, and one party stole the gavel and commenced independent deliberations... there was a lot of front-page fuss about the stolen gavel, and a locked chamber containing only members of one party - I mean, total lunacy. They are children. Unpleasant children. On both sides of the aisle. And in charge of rather a lot. Anything can happen.
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