Nearing disaster in New York - please take action NOW to prevent e-cigarette ban.
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Thanks you very much for doing this. A little more information may be useful for us lame asses that could not attend. Yea long story but really short.
Who was listening and who can we target to help us?
Tell us who to not bother with and we'll save some stamps.
Some info is better than none?
The NYS Dep of heath was really disappointing. The main Doc just keep referring or alluding to getting this product through FDA approval as a drug delivery device. We out right said no, the courts have said it fall under as tobacco product. And litigation is still pending. There were 5 or 6 of them and everyone seemed really interested except the head doc. We gave them pages of information on studies that have been done.
The other meeting I went to like I said were mixed reviews. but overall very good.
I say this because our efforts should still be the same whether it went great or not.
We went to albany and got our info out to many important people. That does not mean we are done.
Keep up the pressure on every senator and the NYS dept. of health / Gov. Paterson's office.
Right now with the budget crisis and the democratic majority in power. It is the dems that matter more so on this bill because they could push it through if they wanted 2. 32 dems,30 republicans. but nothing is getting done right now till they wrap this budget up.
Furthermore most of the senators aids were unaware about the ban of ecigs to all and not just to minors. The bills title is a Electronic Cig ban to minors. And that is mostly all they have read.
We were also told that email is least effective. they get over 3,000 email a day. send it post office or fax. Physical copies tend to get noticed more.
Jay
LMAO very true, but "Potatos are the root of all evil" doesn't have the same ring too it..... ALTHOUGH a potato IS in fact a root... call Seinfeld, I got jokes
Potatos also have nicotine in them....
OK, I'm kinda new to all this, but, has any of this stuff (vapor) been tested in an independant lab? What type of extensive research has been done with this stuff? It's a fairly new concept. With that said, who is overseeing the manufacturing of the "juices" we're inhaling? Where do the suppliers get their nicotine? VG? PG? Other ingrediants? Does it come from China. I know some does, and it wouldn't be the first time China has sold cheap, dangerous products, like the toys with lead paint. I'm not advocating govt. regulation necessarily. In fact, I'm opposed to big govt in almost all ways, but, they have a semi-valid argument, and I'd be lying if I said I wasn't skeptical about the stuff I've been vaping. Obviously I don't care that much because I was smoking 2 packs a day, but, I KNOW that's gonna kill me. Just saying that it wouldn't suprise me, and since there's (to my little knowledge) no extensive, long-term studies on the effects of vaping, there's ZERO regulation on the juice. Literally ANYONE can mix this crap up like .... in a tub and sell it. No health inspections, quality control, dosage verification, etc. I know this is going to be a VERY unpopular post, but, I'm just saying I get it, and won't be suprised at all.
In advance to all vendors before you get all bent by questioning your integrity I've ordered from most all of you already, but, in the long run, it's gonna cost money to sell a drug (nicotine), just like a liquor license costs money, just like drug manufacturers, just like tobacco companies. Enjoy the days of zero regulation now while you can. Heck, I wish I would have jumped on this opportunity a couple years back. You can't go wrong selling an addictive product.
dirtyballonknot, this time they do not have a smi valid argument. They have no valid argument whatsoever, because they are unable to prove that they are more dangerous than cigarettes. To me it seems like what you mean is that this time you are semi-agreeable with their actions.
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I don't think they have to prove that it's MORE dangerous than tobacco v1john. They just have to prove that it's dangerous PERIOD, that it requires more studies, and/or that it needs to be regulated...Just sayin...
Not so, because they're electronic 'cigarettes'.
They are healthier cigarette replacements. That is a fact.
Your statement is actually about combustible carbon monoxide cigarettes--all they have to prove is that the analog cigarettes are dangerous PERIOD.
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How can you state that as fact when there have been very few studies in general, there are NO long-term studies, and the stuff your vaping has ZERO control. It's like buying moonshine...
Look, I do it to, you don't have to sell me on the idea, but, it's a bit preposterous to claim it's a FACT when the facts don't exist. From what I read the studies the FDA did on juice from 2 major manufacturers showed tobacco-related carcinogins, varied dosages, and nicotine in non-nicotine advertised juice. Maybe I'm the one getting bad information, I'm just staying open-minded, and NOT supporting goverment regulation, but, I GET IT. It is nice to know when I buy a bottle of liquor I may have to worry about destroying my liver, but, not an infection, bacteria, or OD due to sub-standard manufacturing or just ignorance (which is more than a possibility)
Look, I do it to, you don't have to sell me on the idea, but, it's a bit preposterous to claim it's a FACT when the facts don't exist. From what I read the studies the FDA did on juice from 2 major manufacturers showed tobacco-related carcinogins, varied dosages, and nicotine in non-nicotine advertised juice. Maybe I'm the one getting bad information, I'm just staying open-minded, and NOT supporting goverment regulation, but, I GET IT. It is nice to know when I buy a bottle of liquor I may have to worry about destroying my liver, but, not an infection, bacteria, or OD due to sub-standard manufacturing or just ignorance (which is more than a possibility)
Actually there are some research done on the the ecig but only in the UK. And the FACT is you get the same amount of amount nitrosamines from the ecig as u do the patch.We can not test in the us because the FDA will not allow clinical trials till we call it a drug delivery device. The courts right now says it is tobacco. No testing in the USA until the FDA lets us.
dirtyballoonknot, yes, my ecig has about 10 nanograms of nitrosamines from when they got nicotine out of tobacco, but it's miraculously replacing the 11,000 nanogram Marlboro!
Actually it's scientific advancement. Smokers no longer have to burn toluene-benzene-tar-carbon monoxide cigarettes.
Actually it's scientific advancement. Smokers no longer have to burn toluene-benzene-tar-carbon monoxide cigarettes.
In a perfect world JayDar, but, again. A few studies here and there, and all short-term don't exactly constitute sufficient, nor does it take into account the 54598749384792374 vendors that sell, and resale juice. There's no telling what the actual dosage is. It could be tested indepedantly. It's not illegal. YET. The juice could be sent to independant labs. I know, it's all expensive. It will only get more expensive with time, and we'll all suffer.
Anyway, I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, and I've already reduced my cigarette smoking from 2 packs a day to 1/2 pack or less in a week of vaping when I didn't even plan on quitting, or reducing my smoking. I just have a feeling that it will turn out that this is pretty bad too, especially considering just how easy it was to switch...Call me skeptical. With that said, I'm all for fighting the govt, so, don't look at me as opposition, just someone who doesn't believe that this is a harmless, end-all solution. To non-smokers we still look like junkies, and there's probably some validity to that thinking. Not that I care what non-smokers think
Yes, here is a link with charts, thanks for bringing it up, JayDar:
Smoke versus Vapor - Nitrosamine Levels
I think my ecig has only one-fourth as much of NNK as one patch, tho about twice NNN as much as one gum (about the same as 2 gums, but the ecig still lasts longer than 2 gums). The problem is one gum doesn't last 4 to 8 hours like my ecig, and in fact no pharmaceutical nicotine gimmick worked for me, I tried them all. The only thing that worked for the longest time was the lozonges, but I had to have up to 10 of them a day (40mg nicotine) and even those failed.
..and thanks for your efforts in NY
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No offense, but you have a LOT of catching up to do.Anyway, I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, and I've already reduced my cigarette smoking from 2 packs a day to 1/2 pack or less in a week of vaping when I didn't even plan on quitting, or reducing my smoking. I just have a feeling that it will turn out that this is pretty bad too, especially considering just how easy it was to switch...Call me skeptical. With that said, I'm all for fighting the govt, so, don't look at me as opposition, just someone who doesn't believe that this is a harmless, end-all solution. To non-smokers we still look like junkies, and there's probably some validity to that thinking. Not that I care what non-smokers think
Try reading some of these articles: Associated Content - associatedcontent.com
And check out the sources cited.
Also, check out the studies and lab reports in the Resources at CASAA | The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-Free Alternatives Association
The FDA study is more important for what they DIDN'T find - the 4,000 toxins and 56 carcinogens found in tobacco smoke. Think about it - all they could complain about was TRACE levels of carcinogens and ONE chemical that was found in ONE cartridge at less than 1% - not even toxic at that level. If that was all they could find, what does that tell you?
Not to mention the peer reviewed study done by Health New Zealand, which showed ecigs were 13,000 times less hazardous than tobacco smoking and the fact that they've been on the market for 5 years worldwide and there have been no reported cases of illness or injury linked to ecig use.
Finally, the American Association of Public Health Physicians BACKS ecigs as reduced harm products and says their use could save the lives of 4 million smokers in the U.S. The American Council of Science and Health also supports ecigs and said the FDA's negative statement about ecigs "was violating its long-cherished tradition of sticking to sound science as the basis for its policies. And in doing so, it is putting the lives and health of millions of Americans at risk."
Granted, standards do need to be implimented for safety and marketing, but that is already in the works. There are a few groups getting together to form a regulatory board for exactly that purpose.
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