Need a PsychoVapoAnalyst -Urgent

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lorgain

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I have a good friend that I got started on vaping. She didn't start vaping because of my sales job, she started because she got bronchitis and it scared the crap out of her. I lent her some of my old vaping equipment until she got her own. At first, she like the nJoy npro until it just wasn't doing anything for her anymore --I don't know why. So then, because of my sales job and look of contentment on my face due to my USB PT, she got a USB PT. And she loves it --when it's working.

When she first got the PT, the switch was sticking on and she immediately burnt up 2 atomizers the first day. I figured out the problem with the switch and discovered that if the PT is held at a certain attitude, the switch won't stick. And the adapter collar cannot be screwed on too tightly. She should have sent the PT back to PS and had it fixed properly, but didn't, because didn't want to let it go so long as it was working and she was getting that excellent blast of vapor.

But now, she's burned up two atomizers, less than 10 days old --again. I tested all of her equipment, and the problem MUST be in the technique that she vapes. And the glitchy switch.

She is very, very new to vaping. I've given her lots of technique tips and maintenance lessons, but I don't live with her, so I have no idea what her habit is when she is mindlessly vaping in front of the TV.

When she last smoked, she was using 2-3 packs of analogs per day. As a vaper, she's using 6ml of juice per day. I think I read somewhere that 3ml per day is average.

I make the juice that she and I use. Maybe that's the problem. I vape 1ml per day and have ZERO problems with anything. But maybe my formula is a bad thing for a 6ml / day vaper.

This is the formula I make for her:
56% Glycerin
24% Distilled water
14% Flavor (in a PG solvent)
6% Nicotine (from Puresmoker -Fierce)

The nicotine content is about 3.5mg/ml in the finished juice. It's low because she wants it low. I think that could be a problem and that's why she blows through 6ml/day. But she assures me that it's not the nicotine that she wants. She's addicted to the feel of vaping and smoking. That, I understand perfectly because I don't use any nicotine, but couldn't face a day with a good warm cloud of tasty vapor and the action of vaping. But, that may not be the case for her.

I don't know what do to help her anymore. I'm on the verge of telling her to go back to analogs. It's so frustrating. I never have any problems and she can't touch a piece of electric equipment without creating a FUBAR scenerio. My vaping start doesn't apply to her situation because there just wasn't this kind of retail equipment back when I started.

Can anyone share some experience regarding new vaper problems, rough starts, spastic smoker syndrome, allergic to electronics.... any advice would be greatly appreciated. She should be reading this forum, but I think that whenever she touches her son's computer it breaks or something goes wrong.

Thanks --Lucy :confused:
 

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But she assures me that it's not the nicotine that she wants. Thanks --Lucy :confused:

I'm sorry but... i'm getting a strong impression it sounds like when a smoker says, "I'm not addicted and can quit anytime I want but not right now"

If she truly enjoys the act of smoking maybe more stimuli can help. maybe increasing VG content, adding more hit ie menthol or vodka for effect. try lowering the nic and if she vapes even more that her usual, you can bet its the nic craving. then you might want to decide upping the nic bit by bit.

just my thoughts on it.
 

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woops 56% Glycerin(VG) should produce more than enough vapor. Just replace a portion of the water to give the hit. Only she could say as to why she wants it reduced so abruptly. maybe try to work the topic in to a conversation and find out what she is thinking.

Might be a long shot here, but there's an off chance that she has misconceptions about the device. She might think the device will make her quit, the contents of the juice might improve her health, or maybe she thinks the nic alone was causing her bronchitis.

If she was introduced to the device along the lines of, "I feel so much better when I started vaping you should try it". It focuses on the device as the reason for "feeling better" and not the cessation of combusted tobacco use. She must understand that the device does not improve her health.
 
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lorgain

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your giving her hoime made 3.5 mg juice???? That is sooo low.

She should start 24 mg.

Poor girl is getting hardly getting any nicotine with your stuff!

I agree, Robert. When she first started vaping she bought the high nicotine strengths from Johnson Creek. Then, when I started making it for her, she wanted it to be lower more aggressively with each new batch. I think this lack of adequate nicotine is a piece of the puzzle.
 

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your giving her hoime made 3.5 mg juice???? That is sooo low.

She should start 24 mg.

Poor girl is getting hardly getting any nicotine with your stuff!

I agree. 24mg is just about right for a 2 pack a day smoker. I tried 36mg and became more addicted than ever. My next order wll be 18mg as the Prodigy is a more efficent nicotine delivery device. Sounds like she wore the button out trying to get enough nicotine.

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First of all, you're a very good friend. I hope she appreciates you! I'm a former pack-a-day'er. I'm on 24mg stuff, with a liking for the occasional 36 mg spike. Downward trends leave me most unpleasant. I marvel that some people do it almost overnight and say it's all about just being able to handle the equipment and continue with the hand-to-mouth thing. But not for me. And apparently, not for me. She'll feel better soon's you whip her up a more potent brew.
 

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Even on high nic when I first started (not that long ago) I still had some nic withdrawals for sure (turned into super b!tch for a week and didn't stop vaping) but then it leveled out and all was well. Might have one analog every 4 days for a boost (probably a mental boost more than anything). But I would say even being new seems like she needs more.

I also noticed that vaping has broken so much of my analog HABIT. I leave my PV at home when I go to the store now because I don't feel the need for a "cig" every time I get in the car or before I go into the store. I would up her nic and then she will break the analog habits and work herself down.
 

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Sounds like a common mistake- she's probably trying to smoke it like a cigarette when you're not there. Not taking longer breaks between puffs, holding the button too long, etc. Tell her to take a break any time the atty gets any warmer than luke warm. Also make sure she's using enough liquid- 3-5 drops every 4 puffs.
 

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That's pretty funny(no offense). She smoked 2-3 packs of analogs a day but assures you it is just the "feel" of vaping/smoking she's addicted to.
That's like a 25 bag a day IV ...... user saying she's just addicted to the "feel" of the needle going in her arm. (sorry about the drug reference mods-it was purely for illustrative purposes only)

Even if she was smoking lights at 0.6mg nicotine per analog, that would still be about 15 to 18 mg of nicotine a day.

Try to, at least, suggest 18mg eliquid to start and do a down taper from there.
 

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Thank you All for your insight. I'm going to share your opinions with her and urge her to get some more nicotine back into her system. Like most of us, I think she has bought into the idea that the bad part of smoking is nicotine. Too bad we have such lame agencies like the FDA and ATF. (The USDA is a first cousin in incompetence too.)

--Lucy
 

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Robert and Syn: What is the meaning of HV in regards to vaping?

Michelle: Yeah, she appreciates me and vicy versy. She's one of those people that are interesting to be around. Great life experiences and insights.

rfun: What is a chuck? The only definition I have for that is the turning thingy on a drill motor that holds the bit. Can't really figure out how that application works in this conversation.:D

--Lucy
 

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Robert and Syn: What is the meaning of HV in regards to vaping?

Michelle: Yeah, she appreciates me and vicy versy. She's one of those people that are interesting to be around. Great life experiences and insights.

rfun: What is a chuck? The only definition I have for that is the turning thingy on a drill motor that holds the bit. Can't really figure out how that application works in this conversation.:D

--Lucy

HV is short for the High Voltage Liquids sold by another vendor. Do a search. They are all 12mg and a wide variety of flavors. They were originally intended for 5v devices, but everyone seems to agree they vape very well at 3.7. I can attest to that.

Some have said the flavors really come out at higher voltages, but that can be true of any liquid or it can be the opposite. I prefer 36mg during the day, then switch to 12mg, or a mix at night to avoid insomnia.

The Chuck is the name of a mod.
 
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