Need ex- smokers Veterans advice on 3 issues.

[KENNY V]

Sorry to post some of the same Q's in other threads but im at a loss here .Hoping a few old veterans can relate and lend a hand . Thanks


nicotine and delivery

a little background . Im tryen to give up smokes and boy on day six thereality hit me how addicting they are. However I just realized I maybe amongst some ex smokers that may have shared my struggles. Forone I have cut my smoking down to 60% however each time I have anecig my head feels whoozy , my ears feel funny , warm fuzzy orwhatever and it hasn't satisfied me yet?
If ya dont mindme asking So what is going on ?


Give it to me Strait.... does the nicotine make me feel that way or is it the type additives in those e cigs?
Or perhaps something else????????




Correct inhale
Another problemI having is being able to inhale .. Not able to do that yet . Itried everything just relying on going through the motions andkeeping the vaper in my mouth So please help me get a smooth draw soI can inhale at least 2 hits on each session. I dont know if its physiological or the delivery system but something tells me . IF Ican take a hit and exhale I may find vaping to be pleasurable. Anymore ideas?
One more daytill my kit comes hopefully a PV and some juice may help get there.



Throat hit do I have a misconception here?
Ok last issue
I was a smoker who took a big hit, drag, deep hit . I could handle no filter, rollyour own, camel, turkish tobacco ect.... however smoked filters because after a half a pack in a day it was a bit harsh. I enjoyed abig hit as long as it was smooth. (Hope that makes sense). . Cuz I am not able toinhale the vape yet without discomfort. What am I missing? Will Ibe able inhale to staify that part of my crave or will I have toexcept vaping to be like puffing on a cigar or pipe?



BTW is there a support part of the forum?
A place that folks have shared gameplans, strategies to quitting tips and tricks ? Obstacles to overcome as you replace analog with vaping . Thanks again for all your input and support . You guys are great please be patientwith me

 

[the_vape_nerd]

I think what we need from you is some information on your set up. What are you vaping in terms of battery, delivery system and nic juice?

My first inclination would be to up your nic juice mg. If you are vaping 18 mg you will want to bump to 24 mg.

All that being said, you might be one of those folks who needs a high volt/watt vape in order to satisfy you. It can be done don't lose heart but explain what you are vaping right now and I'm sure with all the folks here we can find you something.

 

[Hulamoon]

Hi Kenny, Yes as above post, what are you currently using and what % nicotine? The other key is how many you used to smoke, and how many, if any, you still smoke. The other big question is if you know the PG/VG ratio of your current e-juice that you're vaping. My first inclination is that you find PG a bit too "raw" and a higher VG level would give you lots of vapor and a smoother - but still sold - throat hit (TH). Your inhale should not imitate that of a cigarette for several reasons. Take a couple slow inhales, hold in mouth, and then inhale, so yep, more like watching grandad enjoying his in his chair on a sunny afternoon. If you go too fast with the inhaling like a ciggy, the juice doesn't get adequate time to "wick" so you can end up with a burned taste.

 

[Caridwen]

There are a couple NJ vape meets coming up.



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Definitely tell us what you're using- type of pv, liquid, strength, etc.

 

[T41CK]

Nicotine and delivery

When you cut down on smoking and have the occasional cigarette you we literally get a massive nicotine rush off of it. This is because your body grows somewhat of a tolerance to the nicotine. If I were to smoke one right now it would like the first cigarette I've ever smoked because it has been so long.(kind of like the way when I used to smoke in the restroom at school after lunch break... I could barely walk out of there by myself. So this is very normal in your situation, it has nothing to do with the additives in the juice.



Correct Inhale

You are most likely doing this correctly, it just takes a little while to get used to the massive TH (throat hit) you get from vaping. Me, I dont get this anymore but I did in the beginning as it withered away over time. My fiance' on the other hand struggled with this for over 2 months so everyone is different.



Throat hit do I have a misconception here?

Again this may take a little while to get used to and yes, vaping a puff in the beginning does feel like something other than e-juice. If you just stick hard at it and have enough will power to get through the first couple weeks or so, I think it will get better for you so stick in there


TH vs Not so much TH

E-juices consist of 1-2 MAIN substances.

VG which is a some what of a smoother e-juice, has loads of vapor production but mutes the flavor just a little little bit less than that of PG.

PG which has much less of a vapor production, mad TH and little little bit more flavor than that of VG.

This is why a lot a suppliers mix the 2 trying to get that perfect vape. Me personally I choose VG over PG. This is because the supplier I choose to go through with AMAZING e-juice has a straight VG mix that he brews himself that is to die for

If you have any other questions regarding any questions fell free to post, this is a very helping community that has very speedy replies.

Hope this helps T41CK

 

[ardelleg]

I think that the woozy reaction to a cigarette is mostly caused by the added junk in the cigarette more than the nicotine.... I could be wrong, I am about due......

When I started vaping I could not inhale the vapor, my throat could tell the difference between smoke and water vapor and my throat would close up like trying to breath under water.

Not sure how long it took, a month maybe, to get used to it but when I started I had to use my ecig like a cigar instead of inhaling like a cigarette.

 

[DJ RyckRak]

Welcome Kenny V !
I am not an old vapping pro- but I was a 40+ year, 1-2 Pack a day 'burro' burner- burned enough ciggys to know.
I-and I think everyone here would rather see you vapping that smoking. The dayI got my vapping gear in the mail- I threw the ciggys away- and I haven't missed em, that was 17 days ago.
This Vapping thing is different than smoking- you body needs the nic, but you don't need the clay,tar,chemicals and who knows what else is in a burning cig. Vapping is just another way to get the nic in your system. That said- you need to get your dose of nic.
You said you were a heavy smoked- you probably need 24 mg/ml juice, to vape for longer times and some higher capacity equiptment...but can't say for sure- as I don't know what you have.

I have read that because we are vapping nicotene in VG/PG- the molocules of nicotene are larger- 1 micron in size for smoking, 10 microns in size for vapping. The 10 micron vapping nic doese't get down into the tiny air passages in the lungs so well- so you absorb it more through the mouth, nose and upper parts of the lungs. Also it absorbs more slowly (but it says that it stays in the vapors system longer), and because the nic is larger- doese't get to the brain so quickly, or as much= 'no head rush'.

What this all means is that you need to vape longer and more often that you would just smoking a ciggy. You are not going to get a head rush, but you need to get enough nic into your system to shut off the cravings. You do not want to deprive your body the nic- you want to train it to say 'I'm ok with this vapping thing cuz I know that you are not going to deprive me of nicotene'!

Sorry for the Long Wind- just want to help ya.

Best To You !!!

 

[palmtreevans]

For the first weekish of vaping my throat was itchy, but after that no problems at all. You can also try a 100% VG e-juice. Some people can have reactions to PV which is used in most e-juices unless it is stated to be 100% VG. Check out some of the juices form Alien Visions. They're American Made, and have a large selection of 100% VG. My favorite so far has been Boba's Bounty. Here's the link to their site: Alien Visions E-Juice

 

[KENNY V]

Welcome Kenny V !
I am not an old vapping pro- but I was a 40+ year, 1-2 Pack a day 'burro' burner- burned enough ciggys to know.
I-and I think everyone here would rather see you vapping that smoking. The dayI got my vapping gear in the mail- I threw the ciggys away- and I haven't missed em, that was 17 days ago.
This Vapping thing is different than smoking- you body needs the nic, but you don't need the clay,tar,chemicals and who knows what else is in a burning cig. Vapping is just another way to get the nic in your system. That said- you need to get your dose of nic.
You said you were a heavy smoked- you probably need 24 mg/ml juice, to vape for longer times and some higher capacity equiptment...but can't say for sure- as I don't know what you have.

I have read that because we are vapping nicotene in VG/PG- the molocules of nicotene are larger- 1 micron in size for smoking, 10 microns in size for vapping. The 10 micron vapping nic doese't get down into the tiny air passages in the lungs so well- so you absorb it more through the mouth, nose and upper parts of the lungs. Also it absorbs more slowly (but it says that it stays in the vapors system longer), and because the nic is larger- doese't get to the brain so quickly, or as much= 'no head rush'.

What this all means is that you need to vape longer and more often that you would just smoking a ciggy. You are not going to get a head rush, but you need to get enough nic into your system to shut off the cravings. You do not want to deprive your body the nic- you want to train it to say 'I'm ok with this vapping thing cuz I know that you are not going to deprive me of nicotene'!

Sorry for the Long Wind- just want to help ya.

Best To You !!!

Dont be sorry im sorry and can use all the help I can get. Yesterday I went out back of my company ( on break) and watched a smoker take 10 hits in a row of an analog smoke at that point I realized im addicted. I watched them take hit after hit in envy yet felt some accomplishment because I did NOT do that . Then Took a few e cig hits and it did nothing for me I cant inhale nor get get satifation. Not sure what I am getting and what i do feel cuz its NOT remotely close to tobacco nigotine .. However im on day 7 now . Let me gather my thoughts and post again where I stand today .
Thanks for all your hep

 

[KENNY V]

I am a pack a day smoker for over 30 years. who decided on last Tues to quit smoking/ decrease smoking by use of an e cigarette.. I bought what I believed was my last pack of smokes and my FIRST e cig that night. The first e cig I had was terrible, tasted like vanilla which I did not like . That very night I became interested to quit smoking so went online to look for e cig kits , I started to do reviews which lead me to this forum. Stayed up till 2-3 am five nights in a row reading everything and anything I could get me hands on . Wanting so bad to try and learn about vaping to quit the smokes.

Then soon after I realized that vaping over purchasing an e cig kits may be the best way to go. Again keep in mind I DID NOT have good experience nor like like the e cigs and first trials. Nor do I like them on day 7. Today my kit and goodies should arrive so I can try dif flavors with my own PV.
So we will see tonight when I get home .
Advice on WHAT is going on and where to go from here would be MUCH appreciated


Here are a few exerts I have posted so far. At the end is where I stand today ( Day 7)
please help advise if you can assist thanks so much

Thanks guys been learning allot from day one.... Wish I knew about E cigs / vaping awhile ago id already be though the withdrawal. Im Ok ill get through, been though worse times . So what I believe I am experiencing is 3- fold . For one I was not drawing correctly . 2ndly the e-cigs I got are probably chepo's . And 3rd ly “ Yup” withdrawal gots to be that . To go from a 30 year old habit pack a day. To hand full of smokes in five days w/ a few puffs on an electric pen just wont cut it.

exert

With all your recommendations I went ahead and purchased some hardware along with a bunch of quality juices that I thought I may like from a bunch of different suppliers.Well today I have good news and bad news. After a few e cig trials I still am sooooo dissatisfied with what it offers. However I still have lots of hope that getting a premo vape kit and accessories. will satisfy my crave and get rid of my old addiction.

Now I am exited yet anxious to get vaping because I am still having some issues with the e cigs I bought a bunch to hold me over . Good news is I have cut my analog smoking by 70% but still awaiting for Mr Mailman to bring all the goodies Hopefully By Wednesday I will have my new set up.

Exert

Ok on to the Questions . The E cigs Plainly simple they stink.... Head fog groggy ect...
I am getting headaches and feel like crap..... does anyone know what can be causing it? Ohh some times a hit hurt too. NO I Am not over using them. Basically supplementing about 30-40 puffs a day . And I am traditional pack of day smoke

Any helps ??? having a little probs ( 5 days in here on 2-3 different disposable e cigs ) Im barely hollding on...awaiting my juice and equipment to arrive

exert

whats hapeining is I am getting headaches and feel like crap..... does anyone know what can be causing it? Basically supplementing about 30-40 puffs a day . And I am traditional a pack of day smoker. So What do you think is up ?
Ps I have cut my analog smoking by 70% but still awaiting for Mr Mailman to bring all the goodies, hopefully By Wednesday I will have my new set up.
TIA for any advise w/ logical reasoning

Today my biggest struggle is I cant enjoy an e- cig AT ALL without the complications . Mind I am on day 7 now cut analog by 70% ( 6 a day) And thoughout the day I have been trying the e cig on all my urges to smoke It makes me feel worse than having nothing at all or having a a few hits from an analog.
The first few days I had massive headache today all I can say is my cheeks ears and head get some thing going buz warm …... but its not pleasurable .
What is that the nicotine?

Cuz it dont feel good. Calm nor satisfied.... Lastly I am not able to inhale an e cig at all. Therefore the experience the pleasure satisfaction of exhaling . Not sure why below is whwere i posted on that subject

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ling-technique-explanation-illustrations.html

Would like some answers as to why I cant inhale why it hurts so much when I try even small amounts of an e cig ?

And MOSTLY what is the nicotine experience i feel ?
is this always going different, NOT pleasurable than the way it is absorbed though analog smoking ?
Does the type of nicotine found in e cig and juices differ from analog
has anyone found they DID NOT like the vape nicotine experience over analog and gave up that part all together ?

For now im puffing like a cigar and trying one inhale each use

Thanks again for all your help and support

Kenny v

 

[KENNY V]

Just called home the Mrs said I got 3 packages in the mail today. Yea!! my PV kit arrived with lots of goodies juice and samplers
if someone can take a look at my last post/ concerns Id appreciate it so I can get vaping and start to enjoy it esp to get off the smokes altogether

Thanks again for all your help and support

Kenny v

 

[Koman]

Good stuff, always love the samplers!

 

[bzlytbeer]

Sorry to hear you are having such a tough time! I am going to bet that you were not able to inhale on your first few puffs of a cig when you tried the first time too. Vaporizing tends to hit really hard at first, but you get used to it and within a day or two, you shouldn't even notice it, unless you go back and forth between vaping and ciggies.

As for the headache - my best guess is withdrawl from the cigs.

And, if you are feeling nauseous, it may be that you are sensitive to PG or VG (whichever is in the juice you are using). The first time I had VG juice, it made me feel kind of sick. But, being the stubborn ... that I am, I kept using it and now it doesn't bother me at all.

Good luck, and we are all here for ya!

 

[mainevaper]

What strength is your nic liquid? If your using the cheap disposables, it should say 18mg or something on the side.
From my experience, the headaches and harsh hit is usually caused by a high level of nicotine, and a high mixture of pg in the liquid.
So... What is the new kit? What kind of juice did u get, and what strength?
I think you prolly just got some cheap junk from 7-11 or something, and they just don't cut it.... The new stuff should help tremendously.

 

[zapped]

Inhale: Ive found it very helpful to hold the vapor in my mouth for 3-5 seconds before inhaling it. Cuts down a LOT on the harshness.

Look up Pbusardo on youtube ....in just about any of his juice reviews he does a realy good job of demonstrating the pregnant pause im referring to. You can even see him count.

Another thing you can do is to try juices with more VG than PG....PG can give a really harsh throat hit until you get used to it while VG is more mellow.

Hope that helps.

 

[Berylanna]

It took me some coaching from other people before I could get the right inhale on vaping -- it's different than combustibles. There are 2 main things and one other I had to train myself about:

1. When hyou pull harder on a cigarette you get more. This does not work on an e-cig. If it is an automatic (no button to push) then once your pull turns on the burner (atty) pulling harder does NOT do any more for you, the switch is off or on, period. Binary. Same goes for a manual switch except you have more control.

2. I don't know how to explain how it is that we pull SO differently, but the pull is gentle, and slow, and at first do NOT fill up your mouth or lungs with vapor, just get a little and then inhale it from your mouth. Yes, that sounds like how we learned to smoke but I just have to say that somehow learning to vape is just as difficult as learning to smoke. However, I found I was ALWAYS willing to re-learn smoking after a forced quit (pregnancy, gum surgery, whatever) so I'm equally motivated to learn to vape.

Other: Different devices also vape differently, so if I keep switching between combustibles, cartos, carto tanks, and clearos, I tend to get myself in trouble and choke myself a little. Kind-of like switching back and forth between a stick shift and an automatic or a foot-activated parking brake vs. hand brake -- if I'm tired or not paying attention I try to step on a nonexistent pedal or grab a nonexistent lever. I'm doing a lot better now that I have finally decided what type of device to use and sticking with it. (But this third thing is much less important than the first two.)

 

[Dana A]

If you can answer these exact questions we can get a better idea what you are dealing with and then be better equipped to help you with your problem.

!. Exactly what e cig kit did you order?

2. What shops did you order your liquid from and what are the names of the flavors?

3. What % of PG is in your liquids?

4. What are you using to deliver the liquid to the battery? Is it a cartomizer, clearomizer or maybe a vivi nova?

5. How many ohms is your Cartomizer or whatever liquid delivery system you are using?

6. What mg strength of nicotine are you using in your liquids?

 

[Hulamoon]

It does sound like you are PG sensitive. As you are still smoking a few and have smoked a pad for years, 18 mg nicotine is really not unreasonable. Do a google search and see if there are any stores in the area you can go visit. You can try some different flavors and various PG/VG ratios to see what works best for you. I posted earlier about the pipe smoking type inhale vs the fast and furious 10 quick puffs and that's it technique of cigarettes. You do need to vape more rather than less vs smoking, as nicotine doesn't absorb as quickly as a cigarette's nic does. It can take maybe 10 mins for the nic from vaping to impact how you feel.

When you say it hurts to vape, can you explain that experience more so we can all try and figure that part out for you?

Cigarettes contain both MOAI's and arsenic. Both when stopped, or radically reduced will make you experience withdrawal grogginess and headaches/fog head et al and that doesn't help. If you need a ciggie while you find your way, then have one! Sometimes it takes a little while to become familiar with vaping so don't fret about that. Consider the smokes you don't have vs the number you do.








So, get yourself some juice in this ratio - 20PG/80VG and 100% VG.

I am a pack a day smoker for over 30 years. who decided on last Tues to quit smoking/ decrease smoking by use of an e cigarette.. I bought what I believed was my last pack of smokes and my FIRST e cig that night. The first e cig I had was terrible, tasted like vanilla which I did not like . That very night I became interested to quit smoking so went online to look for e cig kits , I started to do reviews which lead me to this forum. Stayed up till 2-3 am five nights in a row reading everything and anything I could get me hands on . Wanting so bad to try and learn about vaping to quit the smokes.

Then soon after I realized that vaping over purchasing an e cig kits may be the best way to go. Again keep in mind I DID NOT have good experience nor like like the e cigs and first trials. Nor do I like them on day 7. Today my kit and goodies should arrive so I can try dif flavors with my own PV.
So we will see tonight when I get home .
Advice on WHAT is going on and where to go from here would be MUCH appreciated


Here are a few exerts I have posted so far. At the end is where I stand today ( Day 7)
please help advise if you can assist thanks so much

exert



Exert




exert



Today my biggest struggle is I cant enjoy an e- cig AT ALL without the complications . Mind I am on day 7 now cut analog by 70% ( 6 a day) And thoughout the day I have been trying the e cig on all my urges to smoke It makes me feel worse than having nothing at all or having a a few hits from an analog.
The first few days I had massive headache today all I can say is my cheeks ears and head get some thing going buz warm …... but its not pleasurable .
What is that the nicotine?

Cuz it dont feel good. Calm nor satisfied.... Lastly I am not able to inhale an e cig at all. Therefore the experience the pleasure satisfaction of exhaling . Not sure why below is whwere i posted on that subject

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ling-technique-explanation-illustrations.html

Would like some answers as to why I cant inhale why it hurts so much when I try even small amounts of an e cig ?

And MOSTLY what is the nicotine experience i feel ?
is this always going different, NOT pleasurable than the way it is absorbed though analog smoking ?
Does the type of nicotine found in e cig and juices differ from analog
has anyone found they DID NOT like the vape nicotine experience over analog and gave up that part all together ?

For now im puffing like a cigar and trying one inhale each use

Thanks again for all your help and support

Kenny v

 

[KENNY V]

Mo better mo better mo better finally after 7 days I can Vape .
Today when I got home from work. Yea!!!!!!! got my kit in mail (Volcano inferno ) comes stock w/ .1.5 ohm carto's and tube tank pwered by 650-900 mAh batteries
Also Receivedd a bunch of Juice from 2 suppliersrs Mostlyl tabaccocco flavored cuz i dt know what to to exspect with vaping . Also made sure to get a few trails juices that i thought I my like . They are all 18mg strengthwith either 50/50 mix or 70/30 One thing I can say is they are mmotst likelyy good qualityty organic premo Juices . Ya know why?
OK ready for this All I can say is those e cigs suck... I spent 7 days trying to get juts ONE satisfied hit as i went through the withdrawals of wening my smoking . Thats sux esp when all ya want is a hit you can enjoy . Long story short Almost gave up.......
Well My first few trials of vapping went ok . Primed the carto Filled the tank with an Organic tobacco Juice and tried it out. The first vape did not taste to well ...is that when you have a new Carto?
Sort smelled funny didn't taste too good either ?
Next I tried Organic Honey tobacco in one of the carto's . (Yea I know they are made for the spacificly for the tube tank) hey but i needed to try another flavor. Bingo smooth with a tuch of flavor ,liked the taste of that Juice and even got to enjoy a few inhales.... been vapping now for a few hours . Got a good buzz on .. but still feel I need a smoke ?//?

I have to say I do not like the Organic tobacco juice that I been vaping with the tank BC it has fowl after taste . Did not enjoy those vapes but kept trying

Why is that both are 18 mg and have the same mix 50/50 pg/vg?
Is that BC I used the carto it self over the tank set up ?
or is it the Honey Tobacco Jouice? same supplier and this is with ( either battery same 1.5 Ohm carto)
All I can say is besides the flavor the hit was much better Bc it was smoother and pleasant. Any ideas ?


Now last but not least i want to try dripping to experience bunch o flavors
Can I rip out the poly fill in these cartos and use as atomizer to drip and vape ?
If so how can drip to try different juices ?

Thanks again happy vaping
Hopefully next week gets better since I now have a PV and did i say e cigs suc....

 

[T41CK]

Very Glad to hear you are an official vapor now. If you have any questions about anything feel free to ask, there is no such thing as stupid questions here