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Need New Button Top Battery

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  1. madduxsports

    madduxsports Full Member

    May 5, 2011
    chicago
    Hello guys I am still rocking an old provari but it looks like it is time to change the batteries as they arent holding a charge like they once were. I have the version 2 which uses the 18650 button top battery. Seems like most of the industry has switched to the flat top but can anyone recommend what I can use? I went looking for the AW batteries but can't find them anymore. I did find these 2 on amazon but dont know if those work, I am a noob when it comes to volts, capacity etc. Any help is greatly appreciated.

    https://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-NCR18650B-3400mAh-Protected-Batteries/dp/B00NUI47OY/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1533659377&sr=8-3&keywords=18650+battery+button+top
     
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  2. englishmick

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    AW is out of action right now. Apparently they had a flood in their factory. Nobody knows when or if they will come back.

    There are some other button top batteries on the usual battery sites. There is a potential problem though because at least some of them are flat tops that have been fitted with a button so they might be a little longer. I don't know the full story.

    I'm hoping someone will come along with the answer.
     
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  3. Shawn Hoefer

    Shawn Hoefer ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

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  4. englishmick

    englishmick Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

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  6. englishmick

    englishmick Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    I checked the reviews and one was from a Provari user, said it worked fine.
     
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  7. Baditude

    Baditude ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Apr 8, 2012
    Ridgeway, Ohio
    The AW manufacturing plant suffered from flood damage several months ago. There's been no word of when, or if, AW batteries will be available again.

    Unfortunately, AW was THE top button top battery supplier. Units that had already been manufactured prior to the flood have already been scooped up.

    You might read the below threads to get some ideas on where to look for other brand button top batteries. I'll also provide a list of recommended reputable/trusted suppliers to see what they may offer. You'll want to purchase at least a 15 amp continuous discharge battery, and preferrably from Lg, Samsung, Sanyo, or Sony. Good luck in your search.

    18500, 18650 button top battery question
    18490 button tops
    Best Alternative to AW 18650 Batteries?


    North America
    www.liionwholesale.com
    www.imrbatteries.com
    www.illumn.com
    www.rtdvapor.com
    www.batterybro.com
    www.orbtronic.com
    UK
    myepack.co.uk
    www.batteriesplus.co.uk
    www.fogstar.co.uk
    www.nkon.nl
    Welcome to Ecolux. The UK's Battery and accessory specialists. Wide range of authentic leading brands in stock ready for immediate dispatch.


     
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  8. Shawn Hoefer

    Shawn Hoefer ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    18650, button top... Yeah, it'll work. Why wouldn't it?

    Sent from my LG-H931 using Tapatalk
     
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  9. Baditude

    Baditude ECF Guru ECF Veteran

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    Those are "protected" high capacity batteries more suited for a flashlight. They may or may not work because the Provari has its own protection circuitry and the protected circuit in the batteries may interfere with the Provari's circuit board. The poster needs unprotected high drain batteries.

    Also, that battery has only a 4.9 amp rating, not enough to power a Provari.


    Prior to purchasing any battery, check to see if Battery Mooch has tested it: List of Battery Tests
     
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  10. madduxsports

    madduxsports Full Member

    May 5, 2011
    chicago
    here is what is in there now. So there is no issue if there is a 20 amp on my battery now and I go to a 30 amp?
     

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  11. Shawn Hoefer

    Shawn Hoefer ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    The original question was quoting my link to Samsung 30q 15 amp 3000 mAh cells from LiIonWholesale. Those are not protected, and will work fine in a Provari. I do not have an 18650 capable Provari here to test, but I use them in my headlamps.

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  13. englishmick

    englishmick Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    My only concern was length. I read somewhere that batteries with aftermarket buttons added to flat tops could sometimes be too long for some mods. But the reviews for the one you listed said they were fine in Provaris.
     
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  14. englishmick

    englishmick Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    I noticed in the description for the Sansung that it had an additional clear outer wrap. It said not to remove that wrap because it was involved in holding the button in place. Seemed a little odd since they said it was welded on. But I guess it does mean you couldn't rewrap them. Not a deal breaker for a $5 battery anyway,
     
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  15. Baditude

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  16. englishmick

    englishmick Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    And I ordered a couple of Samsungs. I'll let the world know how they go.
     
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  17. ppeeble

    ppeeble Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 9, 2013
    Poole UK
    If your rocking a ProV 2 or 2.5 then the spring in the end cap will easily cope with an added couple of mils to the battery length so i wouldn't worry if they are after-market buttons added to flat top batteries. Good advice to only buy from recommended sellers..
    And loathe as i am to say it, I don't agree with Bads advice to only buy 15amp+ cells. Provaris have really low amp limits on their chips (2.5 / 5 amps depending on which version) and a stupidly high cut off voltage of between 3.7 - 3.5 - i have happily used 6 amp batteries for a number of years with no problems at all rocking a 1.8 ohm coil at 11 watts. With a massive 2.4 amp draw...
     
  18. Baditude

    Baditude ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Apr 8, 2012
    Ridgeway, Ohio
    Not to pick an argument with you, but Provape was quite adament to use only "high drain" unprotected batteries in the Provari. I used to have the link to Provape's explanation, but it no longer exists since Provape closed its doors and website.

    My recommendation to use at minimum a 15A battery is because today's high drain batteries begin in the 15 amp range and go up to 30 amps. I doubt that you can find a decent 10A high drain battery today.

    Best way that I can explain it, batteries can be classified as either high capacity (higher mAh) or high drain (higher amperage) concerning application that they were designed for.

    Nearly all protected batteries are of the old "ICR battery chemistry" and considered to be high capacity. These typically have an amp limit of 4 - 6 amps. They also have a higher internal resistance which affects voltage drop. When under load, these batteries will have a significant voltage drop. That voltage drop will become more noticable as the battery drains under load. So all of those mAh that a high capacity battery has does not equate when used in a high drain battery device. High capacity batteries are best used in low drain applications such as flashlights.

    High drain batteries are generally unprotected "IMR" type chemistry (technically "hybrid chemistry"), allow a higher current output under load without significant voltage drop for a longer period of time when compared to a high capacity battery. They have a lower internal resistance. Even the earliest high drain batteries had but 10 amps, which believe it or not made a significant difference when used in a high drain battery device.

    In my experience and readings with Provari's, they were very particular about the batteries used and performed accordingly. They were particularly vulnerable to any amount of carbon buildup which might accumulate on their battery contacts, resulting in voltage drop and requiring routine cleaning with alcohol.

    You may well have enjoyed using a high capacity battery with low amp ratings. Your use of "high" ohm coils at "low" wattage in a Provari worked for you. However, as I explained above, Provape designed the Provari to use only high drain, unprotected IMR batteries like the original AW 18650 2000mah 10A.
     
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  19. ppeeble

    ppeeble Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 9, 2013
    Poole UK
    No argument here Bad, you are just quoting Provape. But i do believe they erred on the side of caution massively. BTW, i use 18500 button tops with the occasional 18350 Trustfire, but don't tell anyone.
     
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  20. Baditude

    Baditude ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Apr 8, 2012
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