need some recommendations on my first RBA (I have 3 in mind).

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I just ordered the the AGA-T from Discount Vapors today. I've been rather content with my multiple IBTanks setup powered by my Provari, but have always kept an eye on the rba's from a distance. I've always had a suspicion that they will hold the future of juice carrying devices in one form or another. When I saw the new AGA-T and the glass tank, I knew the time was right to grab one up before these go out-of-stock and then when I REALLY want one I won't be able to get one.

I'm still pretty green from a knowledge standpoint on these. I have the Provari and I have a Silver Bullet, too. What would be the best method to proceed with once my RBA arrives? Is a VV mod preferred or a mechanical?

Are there some particular threads I should read, or specific videos to watch?

look for the peter k threads/videos and info on the drillbit method, and wrapping a coil will be a breeze, as well as several rba threads on wicks here. its not hard just a PITA to get that first time down sometimes. good luck and any help just ask... well you know the drill lol

i love my geni, if it wasnt for the whole ody/gg thing falling apart i probably never would have tried one. so glad i did.
 
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I just ordered the the AGA-T from Discount Vapors today. I've been rather content with my multiple IBTanks setup powered by my Provari, but have always kept an eye on the RBA's from a distance. I've always had a suspicion that they will hold the future of juice carrying devices in one form or another. When I saw the new AGA-T and the glass tank, I knew the time was right to grab one up before these go out-of-stock and then when I REALLY want one I won't be able to get one.

I'm still pretty green from a knowledge standpoint on these. I have the Provari and I have a Silver Bullet, too. What would be the best method to proceed with once my RBA arrives? Is a VV mod preferred or a mechanical?

Are there some particular threads I should read, or specific videos to watch?

as for a genny with either the provari or silver bullet, it would depend on the resistance of your atomizer. if you prefer a higher resistant coil, then the provari is better. if you prefer lower resistances then both work. i always set-up my gennys around 1 ohm and vape them around 3.5 volts, so i can use them on both of my mods, one protected, one unprotected(provari,omega) if i had set up one genny to lets say 2 ohms, it wouldnt work on the silver bullet because it wouldnt produce enough volts to push a 2 ohm coil. i think having both types of mods are good, especially a mechanical mod to set -up a genny. sometimes when making a coil set-up on the provari you can get an error code, maybe from a micro short, this sometimes is a pain to work out, so if you transfere to the mechanical mod you can nudge around the coils easier and faster. once you have a good coil you can put it back onto the provari. so if you like hi ohm coils, then this is what you will use the silver bullet for mostly. try both, try a low ohm set-up on the silver bullet(28g wire,1.3 ohms or under) then try a hi ohm coil on the provari(32g wire, around 2.0 ohms @ around 5v) and see what one you might prefer. good luck
 
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Thanks, vapdivrr and Thrasher. I know with my cartos, I prefer a cooler vape with high resistance single coil cartos (2.5-3 ohm). Will this translate to the RBA resistance? Or are they two different animals where this is concerned?

Also, what tools should I begin collecting? I have miniture pliers, needle nose pliers, wire cutters and dental pick tools already. How do you all cut your mesh? Is a Bic lighter all I need to oxidize?

Oh, and I have some surgical loops (glasses with magnifiers) that I use in surgery. That should help me see working in a small space.
 
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Thanks, vapdivrr and Thrasher. I know with my cartos, I prefer a cooler vape with high resistance single coil cartos (2.5-3 ohm). Will this translate to the RBA resistance? Or are they two different animals where this is concerned?

An ECF Guru I watched on Youtube today mentioned 1.1 volts with 32 ga. wire as the optimum impedance with about 5 turns around the wick on the AGA-T.

Vaping with AlmightyGod - YouTube

Also, what tools should I begin collecting? I have miniture pliers, needle nose pliers, wire cutters and dental pick tools already. How do you all cut your mesh? Is a Bic lighter all I need to oxidize?
In the video above, he uses a burner for the mesh, but only a lighter for the wire.
 
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Thanks, vapdivrr and Thrasher. I know with my cartos, I prefer a cooler vape with high resistance single coil cartos (2.5-3 ohm). Will this translate to the RBA resistance? Or are they two different animals where this is concerned?

Also, what tools should I begin collecting? I have miniture pliers, needle nose pliers, wire cutters and dental pick tools already. How do you all cut your mesh? Is a Bic lighter all I need to oxidize?

Oh, and I have some surgical loops (glasses with magnifiers) that I use in surgery. That should help me see working in a small space.
not sure how a hi or low res genny compares to the same in cartos, as i always was partial to lower resistances, but one thing i can tell you imo is that i have tried both hi & low in genesis rebuildables and what i have found is that a higher resistance coil to me tastes much more harsh,maybe it has to do with more voltage to the coil. most out there go for higher resistances though, so just this weekend i said lets try one of those hi res coils. set-up 2 different configurations, one was my normal 28g wire, 1.1 ohms @ 3.7 volts, the other was a 2.0 ohm coil of 32g wire @ 5v. both set-up equal about the same watts although the lower resistant coil pushes alot more amps and does drain the batterys a little faster. to me it wasnt even close, for one the 28g wire produces way better flavor. throat hit has to go to the higher resistant coil. vapor production is equal, but here is the big thing for me, the lower resistant coil produces a much more thicker vapor, its hard to explain this, but the color of the vapor is whiter in the low res set-up. not sure what this means but i have heard the phrase big white clouds of vapor, well its true in the low set-up. its like its more fuffilling(is that a word?) anyways thats why these things are so cool, they can be set-up so many different ways. i personaaly love trying different set-ups(at least i did) but know i know what i like personaaly. every one who you speak to has a different opinion in regards to the high or low resistances, wire, volts, watts, wicks. it comes down to what you prefer, all i can give you is an opinion(and you know what they say about that) you are probably a somewhat mechanical,curious and patient person if you are getting into rebuildables, thus you will eventually find a set-up that is for you. you will not need wire cutters for the mesh is soft, a scissors is sufficient. oxidation of the wick is another issue, some oxidize some do not, personally i do and a bic lighter doesnt do it, you need a chiefs torch, its kind of small, you dont need one of those big bunson burner things that a plumber has, they are to big, but same principal. also most use a multi-meter to measure resistances, i personally do not. i know how long my wire needs to be for my wraps for a certain resistance, and my provari tells me the exact resistances. some get into finding out how resistances are lost through vaping and efficiency, so a multi meter can tell you alot about this. you will need a syringe to fill up your genesis device, because the fill holes are to small for a regular juice bottle end. some of those pointy tips work, but you still need to be able to get your juice out. ntt syringe co. has beautiful glass syringes for about 10 dollars each, a 2ml and 5 ml work good. you can use the plastic ones, but are a pain, glass is so smooth to operate. a 3in, 16gauge blunt tip needle or 18g needle is the best. avid vapors sells them, couple of dollars each. but the main thing you need is patience, but after a month youll be reaping the benefits. good luck
 

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Oxidation of the wick is another issue, some oxidize some do not, personally i do and a bic lighter doesn't do it, you need a chiefs torch, its kind of small, you dont need one of those big bunson burner things that a plumber has, they are to big, but same principal.

Any recommendations on where to easily find a chief's torch? I know nothing about them and don't have a clue of where to find one. Any recommendations on brand, models, minimum power output required for my needs, etc are appreciated. It looks like I have everything else I might need.
 

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Any recommendations on where to easily find a chief's torch? I know nothing about them and don't have a clue of where to find one. Any recommendations on brand, models, minimum power output required for my needs, etc are appreciated. It looks like I have everything else I might need.
It's a "Chef's Torch" ... http://www.walmart.com/ip/Fox-Run-Craftsmen-Creme-Brulee-Chef-Torch/15753574

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Ronson-Tech-Torch/17133679

http://www.chefdepot.net/minitorch.htm

A small bunsen burner-type torch could be used too ... same kind of flame, it's just the tank may be a little bigger, and it'll cost a little less and lasts quite a bit longer. Some lumberyards sell small 26 oz. tanks with torch extension for about $ 10.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Worthington-Pro-Grade-Self-Igniting-Torch-Kit/17128613

I prefer non- self-igniting ones, they last longer.
 
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Thanks, vapdivrr and Thrasher. I know with my cartos, I prefer a cooler vape with high resistance single coil cartos (2.5-3 ohm). Will this translate to the RBA resistance? Or are they two different animals where this is concerned?

Also, what tools should I begin collecting? I have miniture pliers, needle nose pliers, wire cutters and dental pick tools already. How do you all cut your mesh? Is a Bic lighter all I need to oxidize?

Oh, and I have some surgical loops (glasses with magnifiers) that I use in surgery. That should help me see working in a small space.

I was wondering this as well. Coming from carto land myself, and only using 2.0 ohm cartos on 3.7 volt devices. I was hoping I could make 2.0 ohm coils on an RBA and the vape would be comparable? Seems like vapdivvr answered this sorta, but is there really a difference in vaping a 2.0 ohm coil and a 2.0ohm carto?
 

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I was wondering this as well. Coming from carto land myself, and only using 2.0 ohm cartos on 3.7 volt devices. I was hoping I could make 2.0 ohm coils on an RBA and the vape would be comparable? Seems like vapdivvr answered this sorta, but is there really a difference in vaping a 2.0 ohm coil and a 2.0ohm carto?

My experience has been that you will want to run your voltages (or wattage, if you have a VW device) a bit higher than you run cartomizers. If you do not use a variable voltage or variable wattage device, you will want your coils to be slightly lower resistance. The reason for this is because the stainless steel wicks act as a heat sink; so the wattage needs to be higher to compensate for the heat sink effect. I used to vape clearomizers at anywhere between 6 and 7 watts. With genesis type RBAs, I vape at between 9 and 11 watts, depending on the juice.
 

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I was wondering this as well. Coming from carto land myself, and only using 2.0 ohm cartos on 3.7 volt devices. I was hoping I could make 2.0 ohm coils on an RBA and the vape would be comparable? Seems like vapdivvr answered this sorta, but is there really a difference in vaping a 2.0 ohm coil and a 2.0ohm carto?
yes, like rule62 had said, you definately would need to up your volts on your mod if you had a 2.0 ohm coil. if you set -up a genesis atty at 2.0 and 3.7 volts you might not get sufficient vapor. at 2 ohms you would be satisfied at around 4.7volts. but comparing a genny to a cart is definately comparing apples to oranges, but 2 ohms is a good place to start. for me, the first time i tried 28g wire there was no going back, the taste just blew me away compared to the 32 wire i was using. at that point i would do anything to use this wire, meaning i needed to lower my coil resistance. that is one of the biggest reasons why i go with a lower resistant coil. you see with a SS wick there is only so much room to wrap a coil, about 3/8 in. so if you are using thin wire(32g) you would want to use most of that space on the wick for your wraps. using most of that space with 32 is going to give you a high resistance, unless you just make like 2 wraps of 32, which just isnt enough wire on the wick, so 32g is going to be a high resistant coil. 30g wire can give you lower resistances, and 28 gives you low resisatnces, although i have heard of people making like 8 wraps of 28g on a wick, i dont know how they do this, but i guess you can. i make about 5 wraps of 28g , and this seems to take up the whole area. i suppose if you spent alot of time and got all the coils almost touching it can be done, but 28g is really for a low res set-up. anyways if you want around a 2 ohm coil and up, i would go with 32g wire. if you want a resistance between 0.08 to 1.4 ish, 28g. and in between the low and high, 30g wire. these are just my feelings on the wires, there are certantly people using successful coils with different parameters entirely, its just how it feels to you. but these are some initial guidlines. vaping a certain ohmed coil with a specific wire still leaves an undetermend voltages, this is going to be up to you. i think in general 10 to 12 watts is average. example/ a 1.0 ohmed coil @ 3.4 volts is 11.56 watts, to figure this, you square the volts, 3.4x 3.4, then divide by the resistance, which is 1.0. ggod luck
 
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