Need some VV mod help!

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CraigHB

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I found a TINY single wire lithium cell "gas gauge" chip from TI (BQ2052) that seems to meet all criteria but I cant find a numeric display to wire to it...they even reference its output to one...I just cant find one!! it would be perfect to be able to have a remote display...would make packing in much easier and a small 2 digit display by itself would probably fit right where I want to put it!

I don't think that chip drives a numeric display, rather a 5 segment LED bar. A three digit numeric segmented display has 21 individual segment pins not including the decimal points. I think the madvapes unit uses a couple chips, a µcontroller and a display controller. You can see the µcontroller in the photo on the web site, but I bet there's a display controller on the other side of that PCB.

The voltge indicator linked to on eBay is actually bigger than the madvapes unit according to what it says on the listing, 40x30x10mm versus 23x18x10mm for the madvapes unit. It's going to be tough to find a stand-alone voltmeter smaller than the MadVapes unit. It's certainly possible to make one quite a bit smaller, but not something you could really do on a workbench. To make it affordable, it would have to be mass produced and who's going to do that.
 
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I don't think that chip drives a numeric display, rather a 5 segment LED bar. A three digit numeric segmented display has 21 individual segment pins not including the decimal points. I think the MadVapes unit uses a couple chips, a µcontroller and a display controller. You can see the µcontroller in the photo on the web site, but I bet there's a display controller on the other side of that PCB.

The voltge indicator linked to on eBay is actually bigger than the MadVapes unit according to what it says on the listing, 40x30x10mm versus 23x18x10mm for the MadVapes unit. It's going to be tough to find a stand-alone voltmeter smaller than the MadVapes unit. It's certainly possible to make one quite a bit smaller, but not something you could really do on a workbench. To make it affordable, it would have to be mass produced and who's going to do that.

damn...your right, its for a led bar... knew it was too good to be true!

as for the voltage meter, I guess I will see what/if any room is left when I get the VV part done
 

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There have been lots of ideas in this forum on how to handle voltage measurement. I think the best one I've seen so far is one guy that uses a pin connecter to simply plug the MadVapes meter into the side of his mod when he needs a reading then remove it when done. After all, taking a voltage measurement is not something you do all the time. Most people adjust to their sweet spot and leave it there. Sorry for failing to give credit to whoever mentioned that here, dont' remember where I saw it.

To display Watts, you need to measure current as well as voltage which is more involved than just measuring voltage. To measure current, you use a series current sense resistor and amplifer to acquire a measurment in terms of voltage. Then you need some code to convert that voltage reading to an amperage. You also need code to compute voltage times current for wattage. So no, there's no way to simply rework an existing voltmeter. Something like that has to be designed from the ground up and would require a larger PCB since it would require more components. Alternately, you could measure resistance to get wattage, but that's even more involved than measuring current to get wattage.
 
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Oops, sorry, didn't read the listing well enough, I fail to read things sometimes and then sound like an idiot. The listing shows 5.5V to 24V input, but then says .1V minimum. Can't tell if it would work for the voltages we typically use. In any case, looks like a very cool little meter.

Assuming it works for the voltages we typically use, you still need to multiply volts and amps to get Watts, so again, I don't think you'd be able to modify a meter like that simply to display Watts. Though it probably would be do-able if you could access the µcontroller and reprogram it. Just a few lines of code is all it would take.
 

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Bd: I saw that one but it says it has issues working with a switching regulator (plus they dont have any and havent for a bit) I had given thought to seeing if this could be taken out of the project enclosure and seeing if it could be incorporated inside (but $15 is also a bit steep on a maybe)...thanks for the thought and interest!

Craig or anybody: do you have a source for the connector that could be mounted in the mod to plug the MV meter into as I am planning to go that route, at least at first (I'll call this Version 1), or until/if I can find a small enough meter to build in or the room for MV's usual one??
 

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Maybe this ? SAM_0137.jpg Works quick and out of the way when you don't need it. I've started making the madvape type to check under load
 
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have you ordered any? My last 2 China / Ebay ordering attempts for electronics went horrible...one took a month to get a defective P.O.S., and the other I never received at all, "caught in customs", blah,blah,blah and had to fight to get my $25 refunded (and on that one I didnt even know it was coming from China...the listing said Illinois!!) So I guess I just kinda got China-shy. Digikey has em cheap too but I read all kinds of shipping time and quality .....es on them too
 

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Squirrel: Yep, I think that's what I have to do for now...what did you use for the jack n plug?

Sorry been away from computer for a while. It actually took me a while to find the connectors again, but this page should help in your search

www.cablesandconnectors.com/25000-25


I ended up using the 2.5mm 2 conductor connectors
Hope this helps !
 
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I buy a lot of stuff from Hong Kong Ebayers. Just made 3 purchases today.

They seem to be taking over the electronics sections of eBay anymore. Their prices are amazing and I've bought a few things from them as well. Shipping usually takes a couple three weeks but haven't had any problem with the products as of yet.
 

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Let me see if I can help you out a bit. For circuit info look in the EverCool thread under battery mods. All circuit and parts are listed there. Circuit is up front and the basic parts list is on page 65 or 66. One error (if you check the TI switching regulator data sheet) is that the capacitors required are 100uf 10v on input and output. Also, the parts list says not to use Tantalum caps, but to use electrolytics (much cheaper). Somebody posted that they used the MV Voltmeter with this mod with no problems. Someone had said something about it flashing due to the ripple current provided by the regulator. This turned out to not be the problem, but according to the data sheet, if you want to reduce the ripple on the output you can add an additional 100uf 10v capacitor of the ceramic type after the electrolytic on the output side just before your VM and atty connector.

As for the small voltmeters, these as far as I can find (and I've spent considerable time searching) are all designed to monitor the individual cells in multiple cell packs for the remote control airplane, helicopter and car hobbyists. First and foremost, nobody wants to put a plane or helicopter worth hundreds of dollars into the air just to have it crash due to a weak or dead cell. The MV VM is designed for up to a 6 cell lithium pack. It gives a reading of the whole pack as a unit and then it cycles between cells giving you the individual voltage of each cell in the pack. This cycling was what people were thinking was being caused by the ripple. It actually holds each reading for approximately 2 seconds and goes on to the next.

Haven't been able to get a data sheet on the VM, but I believe the 1st pin is ground, 2nd pin goes between the positive on cell1 and the negative on cell2, etc, etc for up to a 6 cell pack. I want to add one to the EverCool to monitor individual cells as well as give me the output voltage to the atty. I'm thinking this will be doable, but the reading for the all cells at the beginning will include not just the 2 cells, but the voltage output to the atty, too. Giving a reading of somewhere in excess of 12 volts using 2 14500 cells.

I've got my TI PTR08100W chip. Still have to get the rest of the parts. This chip handles up to 10 amps and stays completely cool with an efficiency of over 90%. They also make one that is 6 amp with the same efficiency which will also work quite well.

Hope this helps.
 
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Let me see if I can help you out a bit. For circuit info look in the EverCool thread under battery mods. All circuit and parts are listed there. Circuit is up front and the basic parts list is on page 65 or 66. One error (if you check the TI switching regulator data sheet) is that the capacitors required are 100uf 10v on input and output. Also, the parts list says not to use Tantalum caps, but to use electrolytics (much cheaper).
An error? There is quite a discussion about the caps in the datasheet, most of it mind boggling to me, and how this actually applies to powering this chip with batteries to simply heat a chunk of resistance wire in freestanding mod box is certainly quite different than what these are usually used for and the environment they are in.

As far as your 100uf 10V requirement, the datasheet says requires a minimum input capacitance of 100µF.

Just look at the recommended Panasonics right off the datasheet.

The voltages range from 25-35, and the capacitance from 180 - 470µF.

I got these.

EEU-FC1V181 Panasonic Electronic Components Aluminum Electrolytic Capacitors - Leaded

Cheap and recommended, maybe a tad large. And now I feel 'official'. :)
 

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I think he meant error as one of the pages showed 10uf not 100...I saw both and did a bunch of reading of different threads and the datasheet to find the right rec and to learn what my addled brain would allow!!

Old T: I appreciate all the info! I have now read a more appropriate volume of that huge thread (instead of my initial overview) and thank you very much for the meter help and clearing up the work/no work and ripple thing.

As soon as I get my caps and pot I am ready to tackle this...will post results (and hopefully not need to beg for additional help)!!
 
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