Need the straight talk on Cartos from the Chuckelheads

[stevej2k]

Have you tried 801s/Be112s. I find they take more juice and for me are just what I was looking for. I was convinced cartos were the way, but once I tried the 801s, Wow. I also worry a little bit about all the pics I see of the wool in cartos that have burned up.

 

[arkangel]

Only used carto's so can't comment on TH or vapor compared to <your Brand X here>, but both are way better on the Little Chuck than the KR808 batteries they came with (manual and autos). Closest to compare the output/TH of the Little Chuck is the 5v USB passthrough.

Lifetime of a carto, at least at 3.7v on my Little Chuck, has been anywhere from a week to 2+ months.

All my carto's came from V4L, prefilled. When they went dry (most lasted me about 2 days, but I vape like beecee does), I rinse them under some hot water to flush them out, blow out the excess water and refill with all kinds of different juices (Cignot/Ecopure & 555VG, V4L spare juice, NHaler's High Voltage). Never had any issues with any of these, even the thicker VG ones. I'm getting best TH/vapor out of a 12 - 18 mg cut with a little VG--think the nic gives the hit and the VG gives the vapor...but that may just be me.

I have about 30 carto's since I started last October and haven't bought a new carto for at least 2.5 months. I typically work a carto until it's dead (refill, vape, rinse, repeat), then throw it out and move onto another one. As I mentioned, I've had some take 2 or 3 refills before they either don't taste good anymore or get real hard to draw on and then I've had some I must have filled 10 times or more.

Next move will be to source some blank cartos and got an order in to Tasty Vapor for some German Chocolate Cake 24 + Doubler and see how those compare to the prefilled ones.

 

[Drozd]

ok I'm gonna get a little technical...on a 3.7V battery the lower the resistance of the atty or cartomizer the more vapor and throat hit and warmth of vapor they're gonna push but because of a lower resistance the wire is thinner so they'll burn out faster...so it's a balancing act..
in order of lowest ohms to highest you're looking at low resistance 510 atty, 510 atty, premium cartomizer, cartomizer, knock off 510 atty, 801, 901...

At 5-6V that kinda flips...in that the lower atties will taste burn't and burn out quicker..

so at 3.7V the 510 will outperform the cartos..but that changes at 5-6V...

 

[stevej2k]

Tasty Vapor is awesome! I get the 48mg and mix it 2 parts doubler to 1 part nic juice so I get 180ml 16mg juice for $45. If you haven't tried it, if you like "Atomic Fireballs", the "Atomic Cinicide" is spot on.

 

[Silverthorn181]

I've stopped using my 510s and now only use Cartos. TH on the pre-filled IS less than the 510 with the exception of the V4L hot rod cartos. Once you start refilling they are all about the same and reasonably comparable to a 510. There is a little less TH but a lot more flavor. Chinese ones really perform well once refilling with your own liquid and are trouble free. Cost is AMAZING!! I do not refill and vape as I have found that letting the Carto sit for a bit seems to give better results. I rotate 3 cartos, drop a fresh one on, condom refill the spent one (very quick and painless) cap it and go! I vape 3 a day (HEAVY ADDICT!!) at 3.7 and 6V and have been doing so on my first 3 Chinese cartos for 6 weeks now without breakdown or failure. I have not yet had to clean but have done so to see how they performed after. Again very easy and they come straight back to life without problems and remain consistent.

Consistant, consistant, consistant.

If you like tinkering these are not for you. They work. They keep working. The next hit will be the same as the last. They do not flood. They just work. No BFC moding, no straws, no faffing with teabags, no dripping to maintain a wet atty. You just push the button and go. Very uneventful really.

Carto mods are all but nonexistent because they perform well and don't require moding.

All said and done all my 510 gear has now been assigned to the "Backup Devices" pile but I am not sure why because these things are vary robust and I have got 50 of them to break. From current performance that should last me years!!

 

[kaji]

ok I'm gonna get a little technical...on a 3.7V battery the lower the resistance of the atty or cartomizer the more vapor and throat hit and warmth of vapor they're gonna push but because of a lower resistance the wire is thinner so they'll burn out faster...so it's a balancing act..
in order of lowest ohms to highest you're looking at low resistance 510 atty, 510 atty, premium cartomizer, cartomizer, knock off 510 atty, 801, 901...

At 5-6V that kinda flips...in that the lower atties will taste burn't and burn out quicker..

so at 3.7V the 510 will outperform the cartos..but that changes at 5-6V...

Great info, just the type of prioritization I need. Thanks!

 

[Drozd]

Great info, just the type of prioritization I need. Thanks!

thanks, glad it helps...Ralph T put together an awesome reference chart for ease of lookng stuff up and posted it here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/modders-forum/71422-atomizer-battery-watts-chart.html

so you don't have to do all the math yourself..while it doesn't include the new low resistance 510 atties...or color coding for the premium cartos you can see the trend in numbers and where things are gonna stand in relation to each other..

I just simplified it into words...

 

[kriztufer]

I hate to jump in the thread late with a question. But here goes. Sorry

I'm waiting for my Chuck and am intrigued about these Cartomizers

I got the Big Chuck with the 510 adapter.


What would I need to give them a test run??

and who's got all the parts?

 

[beecee]

I hate to jump in the thread late with a question. But here goes. Sorry

I'm waiting for my Chuck and am intrigued about these Cartomizers

I got the Big Chuck with the 510 adapter.


What would I need to give them a test run??

and who's got all the parts?

the 510 to 801/910 adapter and some cartos

They sell cartos for the 510 but WS says no bueno on those.

 

[Ladycats]

I hate to jump in the thread late with a question. But here goes. Sorry

I'm waiting for my Chuck and am intrigued about these Cartomizers

I got the Big Chuck with the 510 adapter.


What would I need to give them a test run??

and who's got all the parts?

You can get the adapter set from Jeff for like 5 bucks .... shoot him a PM/email see if you can get them shipped with your new Chuck.

 

[kriztufer]

Ill hit Jeff up with a PM about the adapter

As far as the carts themselves. i can just buy blanks and fill them right???


Oh, and BTW. You guys are all awesome. been lurking for a while and now feel like I'm almost a part of the club (once I get my mutts on my CHUCK!!!

 

[Ladycats]

Ill hit Jeff up with a PM about the adapter

As far as the carts themselves. i can just buy blanks and fill them right???


Oh, and BTW. You guys are all awesome. been lurking for a while and now feel like I'm almost a part of the club (once I get my mutts on my CHUCK!!!

Yeppers real simple and easy too !!

 

[JamBandPhan]

I am just starting to use cartos too, and still waiting for my little chucks so I feel for ya

I have been reading up on them, and just got my first 3 packs from different companies yesterday and today. So far I have been able to load about 20 drops in on the first load (trying not to flood them) waited about half an hour after filling to let the liquid soak through the filler to the atty, and they are working great. From what I have been reading, in order to get the most life out of these, you should not let them run too dry, as soon as they start to show change in flavor or vapor production, top them off with 10 or so drops (after the initial load on a dry carto) I have already flooded one carto topping it off too soon after loading it, and it was gurgling and not making as much vapor so I blew the excess liquid out. The point is to try to avoid burning the filler inside by keep it wet, so you can keep refilling it over and over. It seems the common agreed upon time to use then clean is after 3 or 4 refills (that may vary from person to person) then clean with either high proof alcohol, or just run under hot tap water. There are plenty of youtube vids to watch about cleaning and using them. Once you find they are not working so well, you are also supposed to be able to take out the filler and drip into them (from what I understand) so you don't have to toss them away when they start getting used up unless that is what you are into. I have not had mine long enough to know how long a single load will last, but it's definitely lasting much longer than what I was getting from my 510 cart, having to top that off every few puffs.

So far I have tried the 5 pk blanks from:
Vaprokings.com: works just fine so far, cap on top comes off easy. (5pk $14.20 shipped)
Altsmoke: also works the same as vaporkings, easy to remove the top.(5pk $13.94 shipped)
Vapor Nine: has the "new" carto model, they work great so far but the cap is nearly impossible to pry up with out mangling it so I have not opened it up to see inside yet.(5pk $16.55 shipped)

again I am a carto newbie, and just know what I have read about them here in the forum, watched on youtube and the 24 hours or so of using them so far. I also only vape VG so I don't get much of a throat hit, but the flavor is great so far. From what I read, if they start to run dry, you will get a burned taste. Some people are having issues with the filler getting "burned" but I don't know if this is a random problem, or a user problem, etc... I plan to keep mine wet, and hope they don't burn up. Good luck, and let us know what you end up using!

 

[kriztufer]

Sold!!!

Thanks guys

now I just need my CHUCK!!!!

 

[Poeia]

jambandphan03, there's a YouTube video (posted about 3 times in the Thag subforum and doubtless in other places too) of Leaford giving a demonstration of the condom and spin methods for refilling cartos with 30+ drops.

 

[Ladycats]

jambandphan03, there's a YouTube video (posted about 3 times in the Thag subforum and doubtless in other places too) of Leaford giving a demonstration of the condom and spin methods for refilling cartos with 30+ drops.

The "condom" method can't get much easier ... love it ! Sometimes I spin them, sometimes I don't

 

[JamBandPhan]

Thanks for thetip... I learned about spinning them, and have already tried it. I am still testing the waters, and looking for better deals on GOOD cartos, the best I found so far including shipping was altsmoke, but they didn't have black so I got green. Green should work fine with either of my soon to be little chucks, as they are both multicolored graphics. Just got home from standing in a 3 1/2 hour line at the DMV getting my license renewed, whew, glad that's over!!

 

[Drozd]

So far I have tried the 5 pk blanks from:
Vaprokings.com: works just fine so far, cap on top comes off easy. (5pk $14.20 shipped)
Altsmoke: also works the same as vaporkings, easy to remove the top.(5pk $13.94 shipped)
Vapor Nine: has the "new" carto model, they work great so far but the cap is nearly impossible to pry up with out mangling it so I have not opened it up to see inside yet.(5pk $16.55 shipped)

The easy way to open those Vapor9 cartos up is to hold them gently with a pair of pliers and hold the cap end in some boiling water for 45 sec..the caps got glued in and the boiling water will soften the glue enough to let you pop the cap and remove the glue..

Thanks for thetip... I learned about spinning them, and have already tried it. I am still testing the waters, and looking for better deals on GOOD cartos, the best I found so far including shipping was altsmoke, but they didn't have black so I got green. Green should work fine with either of my soon to be little chucks, as they are both multicolored graphics. Just got home from standing in a 3 1/2 hour line at the DMV getting my license renewed, whew, glad that's over!!

I'd actually stick with the vapor9 cartos...they're supposed to produce more vapor and a smoother flavor like V4L "premium" cartos but their resistance is 3.1Ω instead of the lower Ohm of the premiums which means they shouldn't burn out as quick or taste burnt..they also hold more juice (1.4ml)... I'd pop the tops and do the initial fill with a syringe...
Oh and a drip tip like the 510/901 T-tips work AWESOME on cartos at 6V...

 

[JamBandPhan]

The easy way to open those Vapor9 cartos up is to hold them gently with a pair of pliers and hold the cap end in some boiling water for 45 sec..the caps got glued in and the boiling water will soften the glue enough to let you pop the cap and remove the glue..

I read about that, I will have to give it a try. I just didn't have time to mess with it before I posted today. .

I'd actually stick with the vapor9 cartos...they're supposed to produce more vapor and a smoother flavor like V4L "premium" cartos but their resistance is 3.1Ω instead of the lower Ohm of the premiums which means they shouldn't burn out as quick or taste burnt..they also hold more juice (1.4ml)...

So far I like the V9 carto, it seems smoother and you are right about it holding more liquid.

I'd pop the tops and do the initial fill with a syringe...

I'll have to try that... I could not get the top off this morning, and had to run out to get my DL renewed, so just had to do a quick fill. It still worked just fine, I let it sit a while, and vaped on one of the other cartos I just got.

Oh and a drip tip like the 510/901 T-tips work AWESOME on cartos at 6V...

I saw a video about modding a green cig carto to drip and she mentioned using a cut down 510 or 901 empty cart on the tip for a mouth piece while dripping. Thanks for mentioning it. I hope to get quite a bit of use out of these before I have to yank the stuffing out and drip in them, but it's good to know. Once I get to that point, they will go in my ripped up 510 dripper pile and I can just save those for hard times (if we have them) Thanks for the tips!

 

[Drozd]

I saw a video about modding a green cig carto to drip and she mentioned using a cut down 510 or 901 empty cart on the tip for a mouth piece while dripping. Thanks for mentioning it. I hope to get quite a bit of use out of these before I have to yank the stuffing out and drip in them, but it's good to know. Once I get to that point, they will go in my ripped up 510 dripper pile and I can just save those for hard times (if we have them) Thanks for the tips!

yeah...the t-tip is different..it's a dripping tip..theres no chamber or stuffing ..so you just drip right through an enlarged opening..
At 6V it lets the vapor cool only just slightly (because it is metal and will retain some of that heat) but moves the carto further way and gives more airspace between it and your lips..it also has a larger opening so you get more of the vapor thats produced more quickly off of a short button push (the opening on the tip is about the same size as the opening in the silicone ring inside the carto..