Needing recommendation for another RTA

[KennyJo]

Please help
I really want to pull the trigger tonight/before Monday afternoon...​

I own a Nautilus Mini and the Aqua V2 and I would like to add another tank in my rotation (for convenience, to vape different juice without emptying the tank or crossing over the flavor).
I am a mouth to lung inhaler and I am a flavor chaser.
I have narrow down to the following four and now I am having trouble to make the final decision.

Kanger Subtank Mini
Eleaf Lemo Drop
Kayfun V4 Clone (possibly from Angelcigs, or Ehpro)
Rose V2 Clone (any suggestions?)

Among those 4 RTA, which one will be my best choice?
What I am looking for (from most desire to not really a big deal):

1. Flavor
2. No leaking even carrying in pocket
3. Easy to build (I do not find Aqua V2 difficult to build, unless my leaking problem is actually caused by my failure)
4. Glass tank (starting from this one, really no big deal for me)
5. Easy to fill


For some unknown reasons (just a personal preference? I don't even know why....), I want a single coil instead of a dual coil RTA.
However, I have heard people stating that Orchid had great flavor, I include it in my selection.

With all due respect, I don't want any suggestion outside my 4 selection (I know there are other great choice, but I want to minimize my confusion...).
Or, if you really, truly, undoubtedly, sincerely.... think/believe you have a great suggestion to replace one of my 4 selection, please let me know.


Thanks.

p.s. My mod is a 30W Eleaf iStick.

 

[Vapey_McVape]

Lemo drop,

I am biased however since I have a lemo myself and like it just as much as the friends who have drippers.

 

[roxynoodle]

The Orchid is more a lung inhale atty IMO. At least that's how I vape it.

The Lemo has very good flavor, is an easy build and is not a clone.

The k4 is an easy build, but has a learning curve due to the number of parts. I would get a Tobeco or EHPro clone.

I know nothing about the Subtank, sorry.

You might also like a Taifun GT or Rose v2 clone.

 

[jhhollier]

Another vote for the Lemo Drop. Very easy to build on, great flavor, I've never had it leak in my pocket. Filling the Lemo Drop is not difficult but the fill port is on the bottom and requires a screwdriver. Whether that bothers you or not is a subjective thing. Me? I don't mind it. I have the mini screwdriver that comes with the device attached to my keyring so even away from home I can easily fill. The good thing is the device also comes with a rubber ring with four plugs that you can use in the fill port so you no longer need to worry about a screwdriver. I've never used it in mine but a lot of people do and prefer it. The airflow control is also on the bottom of the device and that seems to annoy people as well. Again, it doesn't bother me cause I leave the airflow wide open and never have to worry about it. YMMV.

That said, I own two Drops and one full-sized Lemo and love them to death. The only RTA I enjoy as much is the Aqua V2. I have a Kayfun V4 and it's fine but not anywhere close to the other two IMO. I have a 25mm Sub Tank and I like it fine but haven't rebuilt it. No experience with the Orchid.

 

[KennyJo]

Thanks for the replies.

Indeed, I am more into Subtank and Lemo Drop at this moment.
But only because they are not a clone and seems to be leak proof.

I know that the Lemo has great flavor (at least there are a lot of posts to support that), but I remember there was someone stating that the Subtank was better than the Lemo....

On the other hand, the Subtank seems to be a juice eater, which can be a concern for me (money....); and I am not really into the sub-ohm thing yet.

For the K4, the learning curve can actually add some "fun" to the whole experience, but the flavor may not be as good as the Lemo Drop and Subtank (at least comparing to the Lemo, as many people stated.).

Taifun and Rose V2 were actually on my list during the research, but I dropped them because
Taifun: leaking problem (from fasttech's discussion)
Rose V2: too complicated to build

 

[retic1959]

Thanks for the replies. Indeed, I am more into Subtank and Lemo Drop at this moment. But only because they are not a clone and seems to be leak proof. I know that the Lemo has great flavor (at least there are a lot of posts to support that), but I remember there was someone stating that the Subtank was better than the Lemo.... On the other hand, the Subtank seems to be a juice eater, which can be a concern for me (money....); and I am not really into the sub-ohm thing yet. For the K4, the learning curve can actually add some "fun" to the whole experience, but the flavor may not be as good as the Lemo Drop and Subtank (at least comparing to the Lemo, as many people stated.). Taifun and Rose V2 were actually on my list during the research, but I dropped them because Taifun: leaking problem (from fasttech's discussion) Rose V2: too complicated to build

The Rose V2 isn't near as complicated an atty as a KF4 , if you can put 2 leads through posts you can build the Rose . The only difference is the leads are vertical instead of horizontal , it makes no difference in wrapping the coil whatsoever . The Rose V2 with a vertical coil rewicks as quickly as a kayfun . I have the Aqua V2 , kayfuns , a Heron and the Rose V2 , I favor the Rose outta the bunch for flavor .

 

[KennyJo]

The Rose V2 isn't near as complicated an atty as a KF4 , if you can put 2 leads through posts you can build the Rose . The only difference is the leads are vertical instead of horizontal , it makes no difference in wrapping the coil whatsoever . The Rose V2 with a vertical coil rewicks as quickly as a kayfun . I have the Aqua V2 , kayfuns , a Heron and the Rose V2 , I favor the Rose outta the bunch for flavor .

For the complicated, I was referring to the building process.
But I must admit that I am now getting more interested in the Rose V2.

As a result, I have changed the original post (Orchid is now replaced by Rose V2)

 

[roxynoodle]

The Rose is my favorite atty. I have 3. It was the third one I ever built, but that first build took me awhile. If you are easily discouraged you may not like it. But, if you want great flavor, get one.

I also love the Aqua v2 though.

 

[milescadre]

Subtank Mini.

Can use .5 ohm heads, or the mini rba deck

glass, and easy to fill ^^

Penty of air flow, and excellent flavor, better than my kayfun v4 imo.

I even did somethign I never do and bought a SECOND Subtank Mini (along with my riginal big sub tank), and love all 3. they have replaced everything ^^

 

[Rorrryyy]

The only two I own of your 4 listed are the lemo drop. And I just got a subtank nano and have a subtank mini on the way.


I choose the subtanks over the lemo right now because of the great airflow it has. I like an airy draw.

Lemo would be better if it had more airflow.

Of your choices I vote subtank mini.

 

[KennyJo]

I am going to drop both Kayfun V4 and Rose V2 from the list.
Reason (other than they are both CLONE):
Kayfun V4: too many parts which may result the clone being unreliable.
Rose V2: still find the building process too complicated and the clones I have found has no glass tank (I want to avoid FT if possible).

Now, down to two RTA (Subtank and Lemo Drop)...
My concerns:
Subtank:
relatively large juice consumption (I heard it is a juice eater)
no/bad flavor in lower wattage setting (shine at 25W?)

Lemo Drop:
bad airflow adjustment (what if my sweet spot is somewhere in the middle?)
juice filling is not as convenience as the Subtank (or the Kayfun V4)

Can someone help me to make the final decision?

Thanks.

 

[Wolfenstark]

I have a lemo drop and have ordered a subtank mini.
So the lemo for me is very good and well I've read the subtank mini is good.
Im getting the subtank mini because I already have the lemo. If I didn't have one then I'd get the lemo first.

 

[Wolfenstark]

I use the lemo drop at full air.
Juice filling is fine - yeah can't take your build out when juice is there like the subtank.
I use the screw in the fill hole - theres a silicon ring to use and many have no problems with it but some have and I prefer the screw.

 

[roxynoodle]

The authentic Rose has a plastic tank as well. Both authentic and clone also come with a SS middle section you can use instead of plastic.

I think the Yiloong Kaiser comes with glass. Its sort of a Rose, but it isn't. Those are available on ebay.

I have my Lemo afc in the middle. I put a 4 x 2 o ring over the afc ring and it stays put. I've had it almost 6 months.

 

[KennyJo]

I don't know if this matter or not, but I prefer a less airy draw..
However, my throat cannot handle a very tight draw...

Using the Nautilus Mini as the example (4 air holes, 1 refer to the smallest while 4 refer to the largest),
I prefer the air hole 3 (4 is good too, but 3 is better).
And if I use the air hole 1, I will cough (2 is okay, but I may or may not cough).

Also, I prefer vaporing higher vg ratio juice (something like 70vg/30pg).
I have read post saying that the juice channel of the Subtank Mini RTA section is not larger enough for high vg ration juice.

With the additional information, should I choose the Subtank Mini or Lemo Drop?

 

[roxynoodle]

Probably the Lemo if the Subtank can't wick the juice you like. The airflow is very adjustable.

 

[NOVA jon]

I have both. More time with the Lemo drop as I just picked up the subtank mini Wednesday. The subtank mini is very airy wide open for a really easy full on lung draw. Easy to adjust and flavor and vapor are really nice. Filling couldn't be easier and probably around the same capacity as the drop. I am still vaping on the pre-built coil so I can't say anything about the rba.

Having said that, I still love my Lemo's (3) and think if you want a tighter draw and imo, better flavor, I'd go Lemo. If you want simple screw in a coil-juice-and-go, subtank is really nice!!

I'll probably pick up a couple more of both because they are (lemo) easy to build on especially with nickel and the (subtank) is easy to pop on a device and go out and about!!

I don't think you would be disappointed with either tbh

 

[KennyJo]

Probably the Lemo if the Subtank can't wick the juice you like. The airflow is very adjustable.

I am not sure about the wicking issue in the Subtank Mini...
I have seen posts about Subtank Mini got dry hit for high vg ratio juice while some also claimed that they had no problem running 100% vg juice in the Subtank Mni...
I hope someone who own a Subtank Mini can give me some information about that...


At this moment, if I just consider function/flavor, I cannot find any differences between the Subtank Mini and Lemo Drop (according to what I have read)...
Really need a tie breaker to pull my trigger.....

 

[KennyJo]

I have both. More time with the Lemo drop as I just picked up the subtank mini Wednesday. The subtank mini is very airy wide open for a really easy full on lung draw. Easy to adjust and flavor and vapor are really nice. Filling couldn't be easier and probably around the same capacity as the drop. I am still vaping on the pre-built coil so I can't say anything about the rba.

Having said that, I still love my Lemo's (3) and think if you want a tighter draw and imo, better flavor, I'd go Lemo. If you want simple screw in a coil-juice-and-go, subtank is really nice!!

I'll probably pick up a couple more of both because they are (lemo) easy to build on especially with nickel and the (subtank) is easy to pop on a device and go out and about!!

I don't think you would be disappointed with either tbh

Did not see your reply when I type my last one...
Thanks for the input.

Can you tell me how is the Subtank Mini's draw when set to the minimum (single hole)?
Is it tighter or the same or airier comparing to the Lemo Drop setting to the minimum?

If it is not too much trouble, can you also show me their build deck?

Thanks.

 

[KennyJo]

I think I might have my final decision...
The Subtank Mini should be a better option for me.

I make this decision base on the this youtube review (if you think this review is not a good one, please let me know why).
Although this review is for Subtank and Lemo, I think it is still applicable to my situation (mini version vs. mini version)

Reasons (as the review said):
better vape in lower wattage (I have never gone over 20W)
handle higher wattage better (I may try that)

But to be honest, I still find the Lemo Drop very attractive (I wish I have the money for every tank I want)
So...if anyone has any commends, please still let me know.
I will check this post at least one more time before I make the purchase (12:00 est).