You're definitely right. That would be too advance for him. I'm probably going to get it for me and get him the eGo.
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You're definitely right. That would be too advance for him. I'm probably going to get it for me and get him the eGo.
I've shared this story elsewhere, and I'll repeat it here as it applies to the OP's desire to vape zero-nicotine e-liquid.
I've been vaping for over a year and been smoke-free for nearly the same amount of time. My teenage daughter (just recently turned 18) took an active interest in my vaping, and I allowed her to sample new flavors when I got some. We enjoyed debating the merits of the flavors, and she asked for her own mod to use zero-nicotine in for her birthday.
Her older brother smokes. So do many of her friends. I debated about the pros and cons of my daughter taking up vaping, even if it was without nicotine. I decided to become pro-active and get her her own mod and the necessary equipment, along with some no-nicotine juice, rationalizing that perhaps this might prevent her from taking up the greater evil of smoking cigarettes when tempted by her friends.
On a side note, I have allowed some of her smoking friends in the past to sample my mods, too. Some of them have gone out on their own and purchased their own eGo's and are now vaping instead of smoking.
I've been vaping for over a year and been smoke-free for nearly the same amount of time. My teenage daughter (just recently turned 18) took an active interest in my vaping, and I allowed her to sample new flavors when I got some. We enjoyed debating the merits of the flavors, and she asked for her own mod to use zero-nicotine in for her birthday.
Her older brother smokes. So do many of her friends. I debated about the pros and cons of my daughter taking up vaping, even if it was without nicotine. I decided to become pro-active and get her her own mod and the necessary equipment, along with some no-nicotine juice, rationalizing that perhaps this might prevent her from taking up the greater evil of smoking cigarettes when tempted by her friends.
On a side note, I have allowed some of her smoking friends in the past to sample my mods, too. Some of them have gone out on their own and purchased their own eGo's and are now vaping instead of smoking.
In my opinion the only way a cigarette smoker is going to stop smoking is if he/she wants to. It's the old "leading a horse to water" cliche.
A friend of mine was after me for 3 months to try an ecig. There were 2 reasons I finally listened: 1) He was a heavy smoker and hadn't lit a cigarette in 3+ months, 2) I was ready to try quitting again. Now, if he was a non smoker I wouldn't have listened - as I didn't listen to every non-smoker who tried to "convince" me to quit over 2 1/2 decades. Smokers don't need convincing - we're already convinced and nothing put in front of a smoker is going to cause the smoker to stop if they don't want to stop.
I commend you for what you're trying to do. I'm all for leading by example and think your heart is in the right place. The big question is: does he want to quit cigarettes? If he does, then get thee to a vape shop pronto (for him, not you).
A friend of mine was after me for 3 months to try an ecig. There were 2 reasons I finally listened: 1) He was a heavy smoker and hadn't lit a cigarette in 3+ months, 2) I was ready to try quitting again. Now, if he was a non smoker I wouldn't have listened - as I didn't listen to every non-smoker who tried to "convince" me to quit over 2 1/2 decades. Smokers don't need convincing - we're already convinced and nothing put in front of a smoker is going to cause the smoker to stop if they don't want to stop.
I commend you for what you're trying to do. I'm all for leading by example and think your heart is in the right place. The big question is: does he want to quit cigarettes? If he does, then get thee to a vape shop pronto (for him, not you).
By nature I'm a DIYer and tinker. I also want to experiment with my own mixes and hopefully save some money.
I placed my order last night with Stormy's Vapor and went with the Kranger EVOD kit $49 with free ship and additional 10% off. I also got a pre-made mix with 24mg nic and several flavors to make my own. Happy Memorial Day!
I would definitely advise against it.
It's wonderful that you want to help your dad but I think as you're a none smoker, you'll find it difficult to understand exactly how it feels to move from smoking to vaping. A fantastic throat hit for you which may leave you coughing and spluttering may hardly tickle the throat of a smoker. Something I really didn't appreciate when I started vaping was how subjective it all is and how individual vapers make it work for them.
Don't get me wrong, I commend your eagerness to learn and help your dad, but perhaps being very aware of the theory, rather than the practice would help you steer well clear of developing an unnecessary addiction or habit...x
It's wonderful that you want to help your dad but I think as you're a none smoker, you'll find it difficult to understand exactly how it feels to move from smoking to vaping. A fantastic throat hit for you which may leave you coughing and spluttering may hardly tickle the throat of a smoker. Something I really didn't appreciate when I started vaping was how subjective it all is and how individual vapers make it work for them.
Don't get me wrong, I commend your eagerness to learn and help your dad, but perhaps being very aware of the theory, rather than the practice would help you steer well clear of developing an unnecessary addiction or habit...x
I don't generally encourage anyone to do it. But if people ask me about it, I give them whatever info I have. I figure when they are ready to try it out they will. As for the case in point, if the guy wants to start it up then it is nobody's responsibility to talk him out of it. I have bought thousands of packs of smokes in my life and nobody ever asked me if it was my first pack. They just sold them to me. I understand the sensitivities related to the issue, but I also generally feel that if people want to do something it's pretty hard to stop them.
Is this for you to trial or for your father? I'm still not clear about this.
Since you are a nonsmoker, I recommend that you purchase some 0% nicotine e-juice for yourself, and let your father use the nicotine e-juice.
I don't advocate nonsmokers using nicotine e-juice. Why subject yourself to the very real possibility of becoming addicted to nicotine? It is probably the most addictive substance known to man.
Both. The nic is for my dad. For me it's to learn and experiment with. I have also been reading what others have posted on ECF about the benefits of nicotine at the below link:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...nefits-nicotine-discovered-real-research.html
Is nic really that bad if used properly? I might know some people that may need nicotine as an alternative to anti-depression pills.
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There really hasn't been enough research of nicotine alone to know if it is either harmful or benefitual. Many liken it similar to caffeine, another stimulent found in literally hundreds of man-made substances.
The fact of the matter is it is a well known addictive substance, possibly the most addictive substance known. My point is why start using it knowing this to be true?
You have the option to use zero-nicotine e-liquids. Why not play safe and use that if you wish to vape?
I can only speak from my experience. I was a smoker for over 40 years 1 1/2 pad. During that time, I was constantly thinking about when I could smoke my next cigarette and would plan a smoke before I walked into a restaurant and again light up after leaving the restaurant. If I went to the beauty shop and had to spend more than 1 1/2 hours, I would have to go outside and have a cigarette halfway through.
After over a year of being smoke free, I don't sweat going to the restaurant and when I went to the beauty shop I even forgot about vaping when I left 2 hours later. I've diy'ed flavors to vape with 0 nicotine and have vaped them for a week and longer without feeling deprived in any way.
I truly believe that the addiction is not to the nicotine per se, but to the other 4000+ additives in the cigarettes themselves. I vape 6mg nic now because of all the research that BP has been doing for decades that is proving that nicotine is a key ingredient in the treatment of Alzheimers, Parkinsons, etc.
After over a year of being smoke free, I don't sweat going to the restaurant and when I went to the beauty shop I even forgot about vaping when I left 2 hours later. I've diy'ed flavors to vape with 0 nicotine and have vaped them for a week and longer without feeling deprived in any way.
I truly believe that the addiction is not to the nicotine per se, but to the other 4000+ additives in the cigarettes themselves. I vape 6mg nic now because of all the research that BP has been doing for decades that is proving that nicotine is a key ingredient in the treatment of Alzheimers, Parkinsons, etc.
It may not be any bigger deal than caffeine addiction. Which a lot of people have but you don't see big "stop coffee" campaigns nor multi-state, class action lawsuits against Starbucks.
But the jury's still out so I wouldn't recommend a non-smoker get tangled up with nicotine. The stuff is highly addictive. I started trying to quit in my mid-20s. I'm fifty freaking one. That's a good quarter of a century of wanting to quit and failing repeatedly.
Bleah.
Meaning, whatever effects they find, good or bad, that nicotine has, you can get stuck with them. I know I am. I doubt I'll ever be able to quit nicotine. The only thing that has gotten me off smoking has been vaping. The withdrawals I get from nicotine are just off the scale. They're horrible. Cancer didn't sound so bad.
Vaping's a good bet for smokers. We know how bad smoking is for your health. Vaping can't possibly hold a candle to it in terms of risk. Still, the long term risks of vaping? Even 0 nic juices? Well... dunno.
As I understand it, the first patent for a viable vaping device was taken out only about 2003. So the whole thing is within ten years old. We don't know about the "long term" at this point because there hasn't been a long term. Nobody's vaped for 30 years. Not yet. So even though PG and VG (the base liquids) are classified as generally safe and used in tons of consumer products in your house right now, you are taking some risk. How much? Nobody knows. Probably not much. But how much, nobody can tell you.
Just be aware you are taking some risk of some unknown amount. Even with 0 nic.
Worse if you got into nicotine. With 0 nic, if they find something about PG or VG or flavorings or whatever, you could stop vaping. If you got yourself hooked on nicotine, that might not be an option. It's not an option for me. I'm stuck. Whatever downside there may be with vaping, I'm stuck with it. I'm just betting it's a lot less bad as the downside of continuing to inhale smoke repeatedly all day.
Anyway.
Maybe. There is so much in modern tobacco products, including things that behave as MAOIs, who can sort out which is which and what does what? Depression is a common withdrawal symptom. But is that from nicotine withdrawal or something else? Dunno. There are thousands of chemicals in modern tobacco products, it could take years to sort out which does what and what combinations cause what effects.
Heh, just don't drop one like that on your dad. If he has trouble with the microwave, an advanced PV would drive him nuts.
Twists (or Spinners) are nice and simple. I use Twists with Vision clearomizers. Pretty simple stuff. Squirt juice in clearo, screw on battery, vape.
32yrs. My dad isn't very savy with electronics. I don't think he knows how to operate a microwave.
The OP has alreardy stated he's diy juices at 0 nic, and he's in his 30's!
You know I saw a commercial about the consequences of smoking and it's sad especially what it does to the family. But since I've been researching this topic, I had a different perspective that it's the additives not the nicotine. Then there is the commercial for depression and all the pills you have to take....I wonder how many cases of depression could be fixed with the right dosage and delivery system of nicotine from a patch, pill and/or vaping.
I'll go double dittos on the 0mg nic -- if you aren't addicted now you don't want to start!! As far as your Dad goes the advice you've got is all good... All depends on him and how technical you want to make it for him in the beginning, but don't start with cig-a-likes because they're a waste of money... A decent mid-range eGo start-up kit would be the way to go... I'd recommend E cigs | Electronic cigarettes | Apollo Electronic cigarettes... Apollo is a great company as far as customer service and their warranty - a 1 yr pretty much no-questions-asked... They may be a couple buck pricier than some you can find on the web, but that warranty makes all the difference in the world... eGo batteries don't usually last a year and I've had them replace 5 so far with no problem!
It may not be any bigger deal than caffeine addiction. Which a lot of people have but you don't see big "stop coffee" campaigns nor multi-state, class action lawsuits against Starbucks.
But the jury's still out so I wouldn't recommend a non-smoker get tangled up with nicotine. The stuff is highly addictive. I started trying to quit in my mid-20s. I'm fifty freaking one. That's a good quarter of a century of wanting to quit and failing repeatedly.
Bleah.
Meaning, whatever effects they find, good or bad, that nicotine has, you can get stuck with them. I know I am. I doubt I'll ever be able to quit nicotine. The only thing that has gotten me off smoking has been vaping. The withdrawals I get from nicotine are just off the scale. They're horrible. Cancer didn't sound so bad.
Vaping's a good bet for smokers. We know how bad smoking is for your health. Vaping can't possibly hold a candle to it in terms of risk. Still, the long term risks of vaping? Even 0 nic juices? Well... dunno.
As I understand it, the first patent for a viable vaping device was taken out only about 2003. So the whole thing is within ten years old. We don't know about the "long term" at this point because there hasn't been a long term. Nobody's vaped for 30 years. Not yet. So even though PG and VG (the base liquids) are classified as generally safe and used in tons of consumer products in your house right now, you are taking some risk. How much? Nobody knows. Probably not much. But how much, nobody can tell you.
Just be aware you are taking some risk of some unknown amount. Even with 0 nic.
Worse if you got into nicotine. With 0 nic, if they find something about PG or VG or flavorings or whatever, you could stop vaping. If you got yourself hooked on nicotine, that might not be an option. It's not an option for me. I'm stuck. Whatever downside there may be with vaping, I'm stuck with it. I'm just betting it's a lot less bad as the downside of continuing to inhale smoke repeatedly all day.
Anyway.
Maybe. There is so much in modern tobacco products, including things that behave as MAOIs, who can sort out which is which and what does what? Depression is a common withdrawal symptom. But is that from nicotine withdrawal or something else? Dunno. There are thousands of chemicals in modern tobacco products, it could take years to sort out which does what and what combinations cause what effects.
Heh, just don't drop one like that on your dad. If he has trouble with the microwave, an advanced PV would drive him nuts.
Twists (or Spinners) are nice and simple. I use Twists with Vision clearomizers. Pretty simple stuff. Squirt juice in clearo, screw on battery, vape.
I appreciate your reply and have been busy searching the web and this forum about vaping. I've smoked before even the "bad stuff" in college but it was more because my buddies did it. I never craved it and someone told me it was because I had a non-addictive behavior.
I did get a bit zealous with the eVic but that was because I'm a gadget freak. I ended up getting a Granger EVOD kit from Stormy's.
Thanks for sharing your recommendation. I saw their Almond Joy ejuice and I'm adding that to my wishlist. =)
Heh, well, there are worse hobbies.
I know what you mean. I like to dabble in widgets myself. Haven't had much time for it lately but have whole shelves of microcontroller stuff. Love to cook up LED widgets. Drooled a little over the eVic and the Vamo and a couple of others before my checking account gave me a stern lecture and I settled down with my Twists.
Young man I have 53 miles (will never claim old)
I started vaping last Tue. This pass Saturday I started vaping full time.
Get pops the ego-C 650 mah passthrough Kanger Clearvod and some atomizers.
Beg him to try it. My sons unfortunately picked up my habit, but they have switched to
the e-cigs.
Asked a friend of mine who switched to and started vaping consistently what he uses.
He told me about the ego-C others will have diff opinions and since I am new this
is what I know what worked for me. Believe me I was a hardcore smoker
knowing I needed to quit.
If this got me off analogs I know it can for anyone who wants a change.
Dad will probably give it a try if u ask him.
What kinda got me intrigued was the ritual of that click when u press the button
and take a drag. I will make darn sure I always keep batteries and whatever I
need at hand to keep vaping
I started vaping last Tue. This pass Saturday I started vaping full time.
Get pops the ego-C 650 mah passthrough Kanger Clearvod and some atomizers.
Beg him to try it. My sons unfortunately picked up my habit, but they have switched to
the e-cigs.
Asked a friend of mine who switched to and started vaping consistently what he uses.
He told me about the ego-C others will have diff opinions and since I am new this
is what I know what worked for me. Believe me I was a hardcore smoker
knowing I needed to quit.
If this got me off analogs I know it can for anyone who wants a change.
Dad will probably give it a try if u ask him.
What kinda got me intrigued was the ritual of that click when u press the button
and take a drag. I will make darn sure I always keep batteries and whatever I
need at hand to keep vaping
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