"New" 901 Vs. 510

[Figurehead]

Again, yesterday was my 1st day with it and I had a fully charged battery. vaping the way I do, it lasted me ALMOST 11 hours.

 

[wegster]

wwf....MOst of the posters here just tell you the good points about each device specailly about the device they just purchased...LOL. From the regular Chinese made Ecigarettes...the best performance comes from the VK. The problem was that a lot of the carts had very large holes on the battery side. If you get correct carts or just file the holes down...the VK, NEbula, DVP9 blows the 510 away....no comparison. You can take a 100 hits of the VK without topping off after a few hits of the 510 you have to top off. Your first few hits are very good with the 510 but hit number ten isn't going to be as good as hit one that is for sure....that is when you have to top off. Once you know how and when to properly refill the VK ...it is the best device out there. Now the only problem is it is the most dangerous of the ecigs out there because it can burn right through the cart material. I don;t know how safe it is to breath in polyester fumes...but I am going to assume it is pretty toxic. So eventhough I think it is the best performing device out there....I don't think it will be my go to ecig.

Sorry for derailing the point of the 'new 901' review..but wwj is sort of asking the same questions again and again in many threads, and you responded, so...

The 510 certainly does *not* need to be topped off after 10 hits, if filled properly. For me, the 510 is more consistent than the VK/KRD808D-1 has been. Either one's a decent choice - convenience and generally good throat hits/vapor from the KRD, but the carts sometimes flake out and get a funky taste/burn even *before* refills, and aren't very consistent for me so far from cart to cart...plus limited in flavors if you don't want to refill (plus, you have to smoke it anyway for a bit, with limited flavors, before you can/should refill..which may itself result in still some nasty taste combos)...while the 510 is 3 piece, and at least on USB passthrough or manual batteries, has been quite consistent, and provides more throat hit and vapor than the KRD so far. I like them both, but they are different.

*shrug*

Don't make me 'try' a new 901 next (Maybe later, but enough for now! )

 

[Erica]

Seriously, if I ever get my car accident settlement check, Shawn at litecigusa.com WON'T HAVE ANY STOCK to run out of.

These little guys rock, and THAT is coming from someone that hates minis and uses the e-cigars.

It's been your exitement over this thing that I've read in a few different threads that made me cave and order one

 

[Figurehead]

I forgot it at home today and even tho I have my e-cigars which are my main device, I miss the little mini. LOL! It really is great if you are a mini-person. I can easily see this being a person's main device.

 

[Erica]

Well Erica, let us know how you like your VX2 when you get it, and note that it may take a day of use before the atomizer really comes alive. Oh, and it's always nice to see your avatar!

Will do.....and thanks for the compliment

 

[EDO]

Sorry for derailing the point of the 'new 901' review..but wwj is sort of asking the same questions again and again in many threads, and you responded, so...

The 510 certainly does *not* need to be topped off after 10 hits, if filled properly. For me, the 510 is more consistent than the VK/KRD808D-1 has been. Either one's a decent choice - convenience and generally good throat hits/vapor from the KRD, but the carts sometimes flake out and get a funky taste/burn even *before* refills, and aren't very consistent for me so far from cart to cart...plus limited in flavors if you don't want to refill (plus, you have to smoke it anyway for a bit, with limited flavors, before you can/should refill..which may itself result in still some nasty taste combos)...while the 510 is 3 piece, and at least on USB passthrough or manual batteries, has been quite consistent, and provides more throat hit and vapor than the KRD so far. I like them both, but they are different.

*shrug*

Don't make me 'try' a new 901 next (Maybe later, but enough for now! )

Wegster....you're doing something wrong on the Vk. If you see my early post on the VK I was complaining a lot as well. But if you know how and when to refill they will blow the 510 away. Do you have the correct carts....with the small holes? DO you have the correct batteries....the long two hole batteries. I agree the carts can be hit or miss....but you have to make them a hit every time. You do that by making sure they are correctly filled at the beginning(some are half empty). THe atomizer hole is centered and there is no cartmaterial going in the ato hole. When you do that and then start to vape I think it will blow away anything out there. I forgot every 50 hits add 4-5 drops of liquid. The problem with these devices are that they are not uniform some batteries have two holes some have four....some carts have large holes some have small holes. SOme batteries have small holes and some have large holes. What you want is the Long batteries with two very large holes....but the carts that hove small notches/holes.

IF you get the correct carts and batteries you'll be amzed at how good the VK is. I am comparing them right now side by side.... the throat hit from the VK is far stronger....vapor production as well. The only problem with the VK is that I am very afraid I am inhaling cartmaterial fumes. IF it wasn't for that I wouldn't even bother with any other device.

As far as the 510 it is a very good device....but I have to top off alot since I inhale very hard and long. If you have any advice on how to fill the carts properly I am all ears.

 

[wegster]

Wegster....you're doing something wrong on the Vk. If you see my early post on the VK I was complaining a lot as well. But if you know how and when to refill they will blow the 510 away. Do you have the correct carts....with the small holes?

The carts have 4 holes, the battery 2. The KRD put together is slightly longer than my 510.

DO you have the correct batteries....the long two hole batteries. I agree the carts can be hit or miss....but you have to make them a hit every time. You do that by making sure they are correctly filled at the beginning(some are half empty). THe atomizer hole is centered and there is no cartmaterial going in the ato hole. When you do that and then start to vape I think it will blow away anything out there. I forgot every 50 hits add 4-5 drops of liquid. The problem with these devices are that they are not uniform some batteries have two holes some have four....some carts have large holes some have small holes. SOme batteries have small holes and some have large holes. What you want is the Long batteries with two very large holes....but the carts that hove small notches/holes.

I've got carts coming from elsewhere to compare, but have had a 'good' KRD cart. Then it's very close to my 510.

I've tried topping off a fresh cart with 5 drops from battery side, let sit for a bit, try toking on it. I try a refill as soon as the taste changes or vapor (for that cart) deteriorates. I've tried refills of anywhere from 5 to 15 drops. The draw is general is ok, just a bit on the light side for me. Without a closeup pic of the 'right carts' vs the 'wrong ones,' or more batches of carts, I'm unsure can tell the 'good vs bad' apart on the cartomizers.
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IF you get the correct carts and batteries you'll be amzed at how good the VK is. I am comparing them right now side by side.... the throat hit from the VK is far stronger....vapor production as well. The only problem with the VK is that I am very afraid I am inhaling cartmaterial fumes. IF it wasn't for that I wouldn't even bother with any other device.

Don't get me wrong, I like it, it's just not the 'perfect' e-cig for me (but am still spending $ on carts, and trying to see if it improves..) And yes, am with you on the fumes. I believe I found a few pics, of the 'new cart style' with added wrapping (which didn't burn, IIRC) around the inner atty/wire...sure wish I could find it now, but will take the next 'burnt' cart apart, and get some pics.

As far as the 510 it is a very good device....but I have to top off alot since I inhale very hard and long. If you have any advice on how to fill the carts properly I am all ears.

Using a syringe on the 510, a fresh cart holds right at 1ml of fluid, but you've *got* to fill it from the bottom. There's a 'straw mod' thread going strong, which at first seemed it's only to allow those dripping/topping off to give the air at bottom (when refilling) of the cart somewhere to escape to, something I didn't 'need' filling my carts from the bottom up with the syringe. However, I think it's really just a (cludgy, IMO, who wants *another* piece to their e-cigs?!) variant on the 'drill hole in cart' mod others found earlier (not in the intake tract, but through the outside of the cart, into the bottom of the inner cart), which will also allow air to come *in* from the cart bottom and let it 'breathe', using up more of the liquid in the cart/helping with wicking.

Maybe we should start a new thread somewhere on this discussion? I may say screw it and do a video of both for comparison..maybe that'll help both of us, you with the 510, and me with the KRD.. ?

 

[Anonomo]

Using a syringe on the 510, a fresh cart holds right at 1ml of fluid, but you've *got* to fill it from the bottom. There's a 'straw mod' thread going strong, which at first seemed it's only to allow those dripping/topping off to give the air at bottom (when refilling) of the cart somewhere to escape to, something I didn't 'need' filling my carts from the bottom up with the syringe. However, I think it's really just a (cludgy, IMO, who wants *another* piece to their e-cigs?!) variant on the 'drill hole in cart' mod others found earlier (not in the intake tract, but through the outside of the cart, into the bottom of the inner cart), which will also allow air to come *in* from the cart bottom and let it 'breathe', using up more of the liquid in the cart/helping with wicking.

Maybe we should start a new thread somewhere on this discussion? I may say screw it and do a video of both for comparison..maybe that'll help both of us, you with the 510, and me with the KRD.. ?

Wegster, I'd like to confirm your findings with refilling 510 carts. A syringe is definitely the way to go. The straw mod is more trouble than it's worth if you're refilling with a syringe. I've tried it and found it pointless and no longer worth the effort. The 510 goes thru liquid fast, I've come to the conclusion that it is necessary to carry around a bottle of juice and top off as needed. The 510 batteries are another matter, I have some that are long lived and others don't last 30 minutes. Purchasing a PCC was the alternative to lugging around multiple batteries. The atomizers are rock solid, I've not had a failure after 30 days on a rotation of 2. I clean them every 7-10 days with an alcohol soak. I'm happy with the 510 overall , it's one heck of a vapor generator. Battery life is my only negative so far.

 

[EDO]

Wegster we have hijacked this thread...Please start a new thread...I am not computer savvy...so don't know how to post pics of the carts. But it seems to me that you said that the vapor isn;t too great on most carts and the draw is too easy...I have a feeling that you have the larger hole carts. Use a metal file and file the ato rim down to make the holes about half what they are now. It seems you have the good batteries. So you should see a great deal of improvement once you get the cart holes smaller.

I just tried both of these devices using Johnsons creek Cured Tobacco juice....there is a big difference. Now they both give a crap load of vapor and the the 510 performs as well as the VK if not a tiny bit better. Also for the first time the 510 gave consistent hits....didn;t trail off. But both have less of throat hit than when using my other liquids ie. cigar liquid. The VK dopesn't perform nearly as well with the JC juice vs the cigar/tobacco juice form bestecig/eastmall. I guess my other juices are way too thick and don't wick well with the 510 but work very well with the VK. BTW starting yesterday I used the hole in the cart method for the 510 carts...that helps a lot with the wicking.

Start a new thread and I will join you on monday when I get back from Vegas. Also I really am interested with the new improved carts that you metnioned that are more burn resistant. Post pictures.

Thanks.

 

[wegster]

@OP - sorry for the hi-jack, leaving thread now with KRD and 510 posts
@Evo/others - will start a 510 and KRD tips and tricks thread later, with some of this discussion pasted in there..

 

[wwfjdraw]

Send me a link to the new thread please. I am so confused now. I thought I had it all figured out. I thought that the 510 was basically the same as the Vapor King KR808, except that it didn't use cartomizers and had a better and consistant throat hit and better and consistant vapor, now I see that there is enough debate about that to start a new thread.

And now I hear the opposite and that the 510 needs to be topped off more! Can someone confirm these alligations/debates and get to an answer?