New Advice for a "High End" ecig...

[Ragamuffin]

Well, both I suppose. I like the thinner body of my Joye 510 and the button, but it only satisfies me for a few puffs, then not at all. I gotta let it sit for a few minutes before I puff again to get anything at all. It just seems too weak to me. I also have a V4L mini-shorty kit I bought, with the PCC that I seem to pick up more than my 510, the battery lasts longer, and the flavor of the prefilled cartomizers is better to me. But even that isn't enough for me to be really happy with it alone. I did order a "male to male" adapter for them a few days ago just so I had more options, not really knowing if it was a good idea or not. But I don't really know what the battery is in the V4L kit, it says "Model 808E-PACK, input 4.5-6VDC, output DC 4.2V 200mA. " It seems stronger to me than the 510. The only eliquid I have right now is something from esmokeronline.com, 24mg NuPort menthol. I want more menthol flavor, more vapor. I plan to get into some refilling with my own liquid later on, etc. But for now, I just don't understand why the 510 is so disappointing, even fully charged, brand new, and new cartridges, even refilling them with the liquid I have it still isn't good. Possibly the liquid isn't all that great either. I need more vapor and more throat hit to feel better about any of this stuff. I don't want to have to wait 2-3 minutes between puffs to get a decent drag on one of them.

THanks for any suggestions you have. So then is my 510 battery the same as the tornado battery? And therefore a waste of money?

Rags

 

[Ragamuffin]

Thank you for that detailed reply-I just saw it after I posted again, so I apologize for repeating stuff before I read your post.

Yes, I was a menthol smoker, many years, and 1-2 packs a day, but in the last couple years, had cut down to under 1 pack a day. I also was off cigarettes altogether for almost a month before I gave up and started the e-cig route. I couldn't handle the Chantix any longer. I've tried it three times and no good for me anymore. Anyway, thank you for the help. I will read your post again and take your suggestions.

Thanks a bunch,
Rags

 

[quasimod]

Well, both I suppose. I like the thinner body of my Joye 510 and the button, but it only satisfies me for a few puffs, then not at all. I gotta let it sit for a few minutes before I puff again to get anything at all.[...]

That's a problem with your cartridge not wicking enough juice to the atty fast enough, nothing to do with the battery. Check out the cart mod section, and direct dripping.

[...] the flavor of the prefilled cartomizers is better to me. But even that isn't enough for me to be really happy with it alone. [...]

Cartomizers work great on HV mods! I'm abusing one right now!

[...] I want more menthol flavor, more vapor. I plan to get into some refilling with my own liquid later on, etc. [...]

Menthol crystals are cheap and you can decide how much you want to add yourself. You can easily make crazy-strong menthol, check out the DIY-eLiquid section. Also, there are a lot of menthol fans around here that will recommend juice. I smoked 3 packs of Kools per day, but for some reason I quit menthol juice after the first couple of months.

Vapor-production is heavily influenced by how much VG a juice contains. It's also a matter of hardware, and your vaping technique. You get the right juice and learn that direct-inhale I was talking about, and you'll be putting out massive clouds of vape.

[...] But for now, I just don't understand why the 510 is so disappointing [...]

It's only disappointing for heavy smokers like us.

 

[KuiHiggins]

I have the driptip from Nhaler and cannot use it on my ego/tornado-the cone cuts off all airflow. Can leave the cone off and use it but messes up the vapor production.Works great with my plain 510 though.

Huh? The airflow doesn't get obstructed by the cone. I've got a Tornado and can use the drip tip with or without the cone on with absolutely no change in performance.

 

[tunabubblegum]

Huh? The airflow doesn't get obstructed by the cone. I've got a Tornado and can use the drip tip with or without the cone on with absolutely no change in performance.

I do not agree with you.
The sleeve (cone) does indeed reduct the amount of air venting which
slightly increases the amount of vapor.
When I use mine with, then w/o the cone, I notice a difference.
With the cone ON, the draw is a bit harder, more resistance, but a little
more vapor production.
W/o the cone, I get a lighter draw.
The difference is not large, but I do notice it.

However, I never drip with my eGo/Tornado, I use a cart with blue foam
saturated with my juice.
Weather that makes a difference, I do not know

 

[KuiHiggins]

I stand corrected.

 

[tunabubblegum]

Wow, that GG is a serious looking piece of hardware.

As far as the high volt PV's go, the best I have used, and my favorites,
in order of "goodness" (reliability, versatility, build quality, etc. are;

Super 6 w/ adjustable 801 atty
Prodigy V2 (now that the button is fixed)

Hmmm, pretty short list.
I havent gotten my Chuck yet (later this week!!) so my favorite list could
change.

The first thing I look for in a HV PV is how the atty is vented.
Too much venting means more leaking. That is why I did not like the
Silver Bullet. The screw adapter on it for the 510 atty had 4 notches for the vents, and they were flush with the surface, so when I dripped my juice in, I could see it leaking out after about 4 drops.

For me, 4 vent hole were too much and caused the atty to get too hot, burning juice up too fast.

So I covered 3 of the vents with putty and it worked as I like it.
But it was a pain to do so I sold it.

Of course all attys will leak, but how they are connected to the PV makes
a big difference. I hate having to constantly drip in more juice, or being
forced to use only 3 drops know it will leak if I put in more
Like the Super 6, it leaks from only one place, the single vent hole where
the allan screw is. That I can live with, just keep it in the right possition
to prevent the leaking. But when they leak all the way around, that I dont
like!

 

[NatureBoy]

Huh? The airflow doesn't get obstructed by the cone. I've got a Tornado and can use the drip tip with or without the cone on with absolutely no change in performance.

I think it's because the drip tip is too big for the cone and it seals it up... I read another post about it where someone was saying it was too thick. Maybe they vary in thickness? Otherwise, I can't see how it would restrict "all" airflow or how it would make any difference if one was dripping or not.

Anyway, I'm assuming that's where the air is drawn in from when the cone is on, so if it's too tight of a fit, that could certainly cause problems.

 

[vapourking]

I just ordered 2 of these LR attys to be used with my Tornado. Will report back once I get them. Thanks for the input, guys!

Just got my LR attys today in the mail...What can I say?? They perfectly compliment my Tornado and there are no words to describe the power of these attys. Just amazing, smooth draws, clouds of vapor, atleast 3x of my regular 510 atty and the TH is top notch. I also got the drip tip and had no problems fitting it together with the Tornado cone. I ain't going back to the regular atty or upgrade to a higher volt battery mod.

 

[quasimod]

VK's post is the last straw... I'll have to try one now. Lemme count my bananas...

 

[clyde2801]

The indulgence from eastmall may fit the bill. Should be within your price range, or a little under as well.

 

[Sojourner]

I'm going to add my 2 cents and agree wholeheartedly with the low resistance atomizer on the eGo/tornado battery. This is the missing element that completely satisfies. I also use the drip tip and the shorty T-tip from Super T Manufacturing. If you're looking for a mod with similar battery life, look at ProVape. Great 3.7v mod and add the AW 14500 batteries. I also use the low resistance atomizers on this mod with drip tips. I picked the ProVape 510 adapter. You don't need to up voltage. Just get the right combo of battery and atty and you're set!

 

[Above God]

It doesn't get more "high end than this - a $1700 510.

finally the e-cig iv been looking for. ima so make a rap video with this.

ima wear it on a iced out chain as a charm

 

[Ragamuffin]

I too ordered the Low-Resistance Amtomizer from NHaler and it's on it's way to me right now. Can't wait. Will try it on my regular Joye510.

Rags

 

[DC2]

The 510 stock battery and the eGO/Tornado batteries are 3.7v but they only run at 3.1v under load.
So really they are 3.1v batteries for all intents and purposes.

As far as what KIND of battery the 510 stock battery is, you won't find that information because it isn't like all of these other batteries (eg. 10440 or 18650) you are hearing about because those are common standard types of batteries used for many applications other than just electronic cigarettes, and you can buy them all over the place. The 510 and eGO/Tornado batteries are proprietary and you can only get them from places that sell electronic cigarettes. Same goes for 401, 901, 801, and all the other stock batteries.

 

[DC2]

Well, both I suppose. I like the thinner body of my Joye 510 and the button, but it only satisfies me for a few puffs, then not at all. I gotta let it sit for a few minutes before I puff again to get anything at all. It just seems too weak to me.

That has nothing to do with your batteries, that is a wicking issue.
Getting new batteries won't fix that.


Dry atomizers, flooded atomizers, and wicking
Basically, you want to keep your atomizer happy with plenty of juice, but not too much as to flood it.

A good sign that it's flooded is that it gets a little harder to draw on and you get little or no vapor.
Flooding it, however, won't hurt it at all, and you can just blow out the extra juice.

Letting it get too dry, on the other hand, is not good for the atomizer supposedly.
But regardless of whether it is bad for the atomizer or not, you still don't want to do it.

You can tell it is too dry when it starts to taste like crap.
A nasty sort of burnt plastic type of taste.

One reason it might get too dry is if you burn through the juice faster than it can wick up more.
That is why people experiment with different kinds of filler materials to use in their cartridges.

If you take only a drag or two every now and then, you should be fine.
But if you use these like a cigarette, the wicking process will have trouble keeping up.
There are ways to deal with this, and people have different methods that work better for them.

And of course, when the cartridge is running low on juice, it needs topping off for this reason.

 

[DC2]

Cartomizers work great on HV mods! I'm abusing one right now!

Just curious, but have you ever torn it apart to check for burnt filler material?

 

[Ruchamah]

I am always just too late, darnit! I went to Nhaler site to order low resistance attys...NONE AVAILABLE.
grrrrr

 

[Valhalla1]

The 510 stock battery and the eGO/Tornado batteries are 3.7v but they only run at 3.1v under load.
So really they are 3.1v batteries for all intents and purposes.

well that blows... although I read about someone modding their ego battery to remove some circuitry or something that was keeping it from being a true 3.7. anyone know how?

 

[vapourking]

VK's post is the last straw... I'll have to try one now. Lemme count my bananas...

No worries, you won't regret quasimod! Btw, great posts on dripping. I enjoyed it.