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I would hate to be in his position, they should have been grandfathered in. And if they are going to raise the age to 21, they should do the same for being able to join the military.
And vote.
And sign a legally binding contract.
And get married.
Etc, etc, etc.

You're either an adult or you're not.
 

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I thought it did not take effect immmediatly. My bad.

I guess the OP is um, IDK not in a very good place then.

I agree on the places that WOULD sell underage, i would run fast and far.

It may have to be quitting or nicotine gun/lozenge and that stuff.

It is not currently illegal to buy Sweedish snus but I don't know if there is an age requirement. I have no idea if they checked me my last order. Probably.

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I thought it did not take effect immmediatly. My bad.

I guess the OP is um, IDK not in a very good place then.

I agree on the places that WOULD sell underage, i would run fast and far.

It may have to be quitting or nicotine gun/lozenge and that stuff.

It is not currently illegal to buy Sweedish snus but I don't know if there is an age requirement. I have no idea if they checked me my last order. Probably.

Anna
After Trump signed it, the media was reporting that it would take the normal course any other law would and it would go into effect sometime in the Summer/Fall of 2020, but the FDA stepped in and made it illegal immediately (on the 20th). It is scary that laws like that can happen that quickly without citizens having a say in the matter. (Just like Massachusetts, that ban was crazy considering I thought that state was part of the USA).
 
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After Trump signed it, the media was reporting that it would take the normal course any other law would and it would go into effect sometime in the Summer/Fall of 2020, but the FDA stepped in and made it illegal immediately (on the 20th). It is scary that laws like that can happen that quickly without citizens having a say in the matter.
It wasn't a stand-alone bill. It was part of a huge spending package. This is part of the problem with the way they make laws these days; they tack unrelated things onto big, "must pass & sign" bills.
 

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It wasn't a stand-alone bill. It was part of a huge spending package. This is part of the problem with the way they make laws these days; they tack unrelated things onto big, "must pass & sign" bills.
Yeah, I knew it was combined with the spending package, but it still normally would not have been immediate, that was the FDA that did that.

They did that with an actual vote down here a year and a half ago. They combined banning off-shore drilling with an indoor vaping ban, totally unrelated... So if voters did not want off-shore drilling (which they did not), they also were forced to vote against indoor vaping. There were other things to vote on that were similar to that. It's just nuts.
 

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That's why bills are eleventhy million pages long everyone wants their piece of the pie, cut of the money, etc.

I hate this country. To be fair, I hate many things, but this country is in need of a total makeover, maybe even a gender reassignment,.

An aritifical heart?

SOMETHING though.

I would love to see what happened if all the paid lobbyists were locked up for say, a year. It's finej to VOLUNTEER. But being paid is like, TOO evil.

Anna
 
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It wasn't a stand-alone bill. It was part of a huge spending package. This is part of the problem with the way they make laws these days; they tack unrelated things onto big, "must pass & sign" bills.

Any bill considered "omnibus" will always be steaming piles of [self-censored] rewarding the favored and *%&$# the taxpayer, but we will continue to vote these untouchable thieves back term after term. Omnibus bills demand the line item veto.
 

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Any bill considered "omnibus" will always be steaming piles of [self-censored] rewarding the favored and *%&$# the taxpayer, but we will continue to vote these untouchable thieves back term after term. Omnibus bills demand the line item veto.

There’s been hope for a line item veto for decades. Congress will never, ever enact it. They need too many pet projects to talk up in their districts to lose that theft of public funds.
 

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Dang I feel so bad for these folks, 18,19, 20.....suddenly cut off with no warning, and they can't even fall back on cigs temporarily either. Politically-Correct Health Police don't seem to care how much people suffer as long as it looks good for their statistics (or their political career).
 

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Dang I feel so bad for these folks, 18,19, 20.....suddenly cut off with no warning, and they can't even fall back on cigs temporarily either. Politically-Correct Health Police don't seem to care how much people suffer as long as it looks good for their statistics (or their political career).

But at least they "did something" to halt this epidemic, even if it was something rather stupid.
 

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But at least they "did something" to halt this epidemic, even if it was something rather stupid.
Whenever you hear anyone, especially politicians, say " We need to do something " you know it's going to be stupid and it will just make the problem worse.
 

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Whenever you hear anyone, especially politicians, say " We need to do something " you know it's going to be stupid and it will just make the problem worse.

Opiate overdoses and .... production haven't slowed down. The only thing that has slowed down are the lines formed by the law abiding seeking the lawful use of a product.
 

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I'd think any 18-20 year old who's vaping nicotine instead of smoking would have 21+ year old friends as well as family members who would be happy to buy for them instead of them potentially returning to smoking. I know I would if it was my child.

Just like the rest of us, if keeping off the smokes is really important to us, we can be pretty resourceful.
 

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I'd think any 18-20 year old who's vaping nicotine instead of smoking would have 21+ year old friends as well as family members who would be happy to buy for them instead of them potentially returning to smoking. I know I would if it was my child.

Just like the rest of us, if keeping off the smokes is really important to us, we can be pretty resourceful.
Yeah, if it were my kid, I would not even have to think about it.
 

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I was like, "I have this hazy sort of understanding of "omniubus" as a Congress thing but I was like, there is something about that word that makes me think it's something worse, too.

So I looked it up. It's one of those "large" anthologies of fiction where PARTS of an author or tale are all shoved into one giant textbook and ask you read it, you are like, "I know they are trying to prepare me to like, pass the dang AP English Test but HOLY CRUD when my teachers handed out an omnibus on the first day of class, I would get this sinking feeling. It was kind of like 'Here we go, Anna, you are going to be doing a lot of OUTSIDE reading, you may develop scoliosis, or you are going to prepare yoursefl for NEVER knowing the ending of something."

It's hard to believe the congress deal is worse but it so, so is. I guess it's still a reasonable definition: we are trying you mak your course load SO overwhelming, NO one knows anything about anythign except the good happy folks who SNUCK one line in, and they are shafting you. Ugh.

Anna
 

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I wonder if like, more poeple die of obseity related illnesses now than smoking. I have read you have to be pretty darn fat to beat out smoking, but I have met a lot of poeple in my time that are Pretty Darned Fat.

I guess we need more skinny people with lung cancer. That's what my mom would darkly say when I told her I was worreid about gaining weight. "You are going to be pretty darn skinnny when you die of lung cancer, Anna." I was like, "Yes. So, you see my point."

In any case BLEUGH.

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I was like, "I have this hazy sort of understanding of "omniubus" as a Congress thing but I was like, there is something about that word that makes me think it's something worse, too.

So I looked it up. It's one of those "large" anthologies of fiction where PARTS of an author or tale are all shoved into one giant textbook and ask you read it, you are like, "I know they are trying to prepare me to like, pass the dang AP English Test but HOLY CRUD when my teachers handed out an omnibus on the first day of class, I would get this sinking feeling. It was kind of like 'Here we go, Anna, you are going to be doing a lot of OUTSIDE reading, you may develop scoliosis, or you are going to prepare yoursefl for NEVER knowing the ending of something."

It's hard to believe the congress deal is worse but it so, so is. I guess it's still a reasonable definition: we are trying you mak your course load SO overwhelming, NO one knows anything about anythign except the good happy folks who SNUCK one line in, and they are shafting you. Ugh.

Anna
Omnibus = Ominous
 
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